DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by jcs:
Not considering him avg but he's not lived up to his end of the massive contract they signed. He's going to be 29 next season and his production has dropped while the money he's getting paid is going up. It's also his 3rd major ACL injury in his career. His Cap hit in 2027 is currently $52 million dollars...so yes I believe he's got to prove in 26' that he's worth that money or the 49ers need to decide if they should move on from a bad deal.

It'll definitely sucks, but he's not going anywhere. He's a top 3 DE when healthy, it's just those two ACLs which there isn't really anything he can do about. Outside of those he's only missed 3 games

He's missed 34 games in 7 years. To his credit he played in several others when he was banged up and not able to play well. If his name was Pearsall he would be called injury prone.

Ya but if you ignore multiple catastrophic injuries….. he's pretty sturdy

He's blown out his knees 3 times already and he's not even 30. At some point you have to conclude it's maybe a medical issue.

lol he got rolled up on. They weren't just non contact, chronic type injuries. Its just bad luck in a contact sport.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by jcs:
Not considering him avg but he's not lived up to his end of the massive contract they signed. He's going to be 29 next season and his production has dropped while the money he's getting paid is going up. It's also his 3rd major ACL injury in his career. His Cap hit in 2027 is currently $52 million dollars...so yes I believe he's got to prove in 26' that he's worth that money or the 49ers need to decide if they should move on from a bad deal.

It'll definitely sucks, but he's not going anywhere. He's a top 3 DE when healthy, it's just those two ACLs which there isn't really anything he can do about. Outside of those he's only missed 3 games

He's missed 34 games in 7 years. To his credit he played in several others when he was banged up and not able to play well. If his name was Pearsall he would be called injury prone.

Ya but if you ignore multiple catastrophic injuries….. he's pretty sturdy

He's blown out his knees 3 times already and he's not even 30. At some point you have to conclude it's maybe a medical issue.

lol he got rolled up on. They weren't just non contact, chronic type injuries. Its just bad luck in a contact sport.

One you have a sound argument of an accident....maybe even 2 but lets be honest 3 ACL injuries in less than a decade should prompt some review by the team. Especially when his cap hit is $41 million this year and $52 million in 2027.

Injuries aside he got a bag after the 2022 season and hasn't been close to the same player since…

Originally posted by Schulzy:
Injuries aside he got a bag after the 2022 season and hasn't been close to the same player since…

When you are the only threat along the line offensives will scheme you out.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Schulzy:
Injuries aside he got a bag after the 2022 season and hasn't been close to the same player since…

When you are the only threat along the line offensives will scheme you out.

He's not the only D lineman that gets double teamed. Even interior D linemen get doubled when they're really good. Aaron Donald got doubled and still found ways to get to the QB. Miles Garrett doesn't seem to have problem. The great ones find a way to shed those blockers either with power or moves.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by jcs:
Not considering him avg but he's not lived up to his end of the massive contract they signed. He's going to be 29 next season and his production has dropped while the money he's getting paid is going up. It's also his 3rd major ACL injury in his career. His Cap hit in 2027 is currently $52 million dollars...so yes I believe he's got to prove in 26' that he's worth that money or the 49ers need to decide if they should move on from a bad deal.

It'll definitely sucks, but he's not going anywhere. He's a top 3 DE when healthy, it's just those two ACLs which there isn't really anything he can do about. Outside of those he's only missed 3 games

He's missed 34 games in 7 years. To his credit he played in several others when he was banged up and not able to play well. If his name was Pearsall he would be called injury prone.

Ya but if you ignore multiple catastrophic injuries….. he's pretty sturdy

He's blown out his knees 3 times already and he's not even 30. At some point you have to conclude it's maybe a medical issue.

lol he got rolled up on. They weren't just non contact, chronic type injuries. Its just bad luck in a contact sport.

One you have a sound argument of an accident....maybe even 2 but lets be honest 3 ACL injuries in less than a decade should prompt some review by the team. Especially when his cap hit is $41 million this year and $52 million in 2027.

Nick Bosa's ACL Injury History

2015 (High School): Partially tore the ACL in his right knee during his senior year.
2020 (NFL, Week 2): Tore the ACL in his left knee against the New York Jets, missing the remainder of his second season.
2025 (NFL, Week 3): Tore the ACL in his right knee (the same knee from his high school injury) during a game against the Arizona Cardinals

This bodes well. And we saw what happened in 2021. It was a partial tear in his right knee in high school. Then he tore it completely this past season, but according to Kyle it was a clean tear.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Schulzy:
Injuries aside he got a bag after the 2022 season and hasn't been close to the same player since…

When you are the only threat along the line offensives will scheme you out.

He's not the only D lineman that gets double teamed. Even interior D linemen get doubled when they're really good. Aaron Donald got doubled and still found ways to get to the QB. Miles Garrett doesn't seem to have problem. The great ones find a way to shed those blockers either with power or moves.

And Bosa has still been very effective with double teams. Maybe not 18 sacks, but still very productive imo. Look at Seattle week 1 etc.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by RonMexico:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Since07:

Originally posted by jcs:
Not considering him avg but he's not lived up to his end of the massive contract they signed. He's going to be 29 next season and his production has dropped while the money he's getting paid is going up. It's also his 3rd major ACL injury in his career. His Cap hit in 2027 is currently $52 million dollars...so yes I believe he's got to prove in 26' that he's worth that money or the 49ers need to decide if they should move on from a bad deal.

It'll definitely sucks, but he's not going anywhere. He's a top 3 DE when healthy, it's just those two ACLs which there isn't really anything he can do about. Outside of those he's only missed 3 games

He's missed 34 games in 7 years. To his credit he played in several others when he was banged up and not able to play well. If his name was Pearsall he would be called injury prone.

Ya but if you ignore multiple catastrophic injuries….. he's pretty sturdy

He's blown out his knees 3 times already and he's not even 30. At some point you have to conclude it's maybe a medical issue.

lol he got rolled up on. They weren't just non contact, chronic type injuries. Its just bad luck in a contact sport.

One you have a sound argument of an accident....maybe even 2 but lets be honest 3 ACL injuries in less than a decade should prompt some review by the team. Especially when his cap hit is $41 million this year and $52 million in 2027.

One was in college, so you're just counting it to be dramatic. Frank Gore blew out both knees at separate times in college.

Aside from his major, fluke injuries, Bosa has been absolutely dominant. He's also the only pass rush we have, so if we trade him its essentially committing to a rebuild. Might as well trade Warner, Kittle, CMC, etc too.

I get it, fans like to be militant and edgy and suggest things like this, but great franchises don't trade great players in their prime. Its bad business, and also sets a precedent that other players pay attention to. You think other top tier players will want to sign here if the 49ers dump Bosa? That tells everyone you can be an elite player and this team will trade you if you get an injury outside of your control.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by Schulzy:
Injuries aside he got a bag after the 2022 season and hasn't been close to the same player since…

When you are the only threat along the line offensives will scheme you out.

He's not the only D lineman that gets double teamed. Even interior D linemen get doubled when they're really good. Aaron Donald got doubled and still found ways to get to the QB. Miles Garrett doesn't seem to have problem. The great ones find a way to shed those blockers either with power or moves.

And Bosa has still been very effective with double teams. Maybe not 18 sacks, but still very productive imo. Look at Seattle week 1 etc.

Effective isn't great and he's getting paid like a great edge rusher. His last double digit sack year was 2023 when he had 10. I'm not saying we should get rid of him but he's been injured a lot and his production has fallen off. Paying too much for edge rushers isn't a good formula for winning. Most of the best edge rushers were on teams that didn't even make the playoffs. Getting pressure n the QB and stopping the run are more a product of the defensive scheme and overall defense. When you overpay a few players the rest of the team suffers.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Effective isn't great and he's getting paid like a great edge rusher. His last double digit sack year was 2023 when he had 10. I'm not saying we should get rid of him but he's been injured a lot and his production has fallen off. Paying too much for edge rushers isn't a good formula for winning. Most of the best edge rushers were on teams that didn't even make the playoffs. Getting pressure n the QB and stopping the run are more a product of the defensive scheme and overall defense. When you overpay a few players the rest of the team suffers.

lol his production hasn't fallen off. Compare his first 3 seasons to his last 3. Throw out the DPOY season in the very middle.

2019-2020-2021 : 2 full years and 1 lost to injury
2023-2024-2025: 2 full years and 1 lost to injury

2019-2021 - 1686 snaps
• Sack every 69 snaps
• QB hit every 29.1 snaps
• TFL every 45.6 snaps per TFL

2023-2025 - 1633 snaps
• Sack every 76 snaps
• QB hit every 26.3 snaps
• TFL every 46.7 snaps

He has been virtually as good the last 3 years as he was his first 3 years. Obviously his career year in 2022 was incredible, but he's been essentially the same elite player his entire career. There is no drop off.

For his career he averages a QB hit every 24.2 snaps. Myles Garrett averages a QB hit every 29.4 snaps. Literally better on average at hitting the QB than Myles Garrett.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Effective isn't great and he's getting paid like a great edge rusher. His last double digit sack year was 2023 when he had 10. I'm not saying we should get rid of him but he's been injured a lot and his production has fallen off. Paying too much for edge rushers isn't a good formula for winning. Most of the best edge rushers were on teams that didn't even make the playoffs. Getting pressure n the QB and stopping the run are more a product of the defensive scheme and overall defense. When you overpay a few players the rest of the team suffers.

lol his production hasn't fallen off. Compare his first 3 seasons to his last 3. Throw out the DPOY season in the very middle.

2019-2020-2021 : 2 full years and 1 lost to injury
2023-2024-2025: 2 full years and 1 lost to injury

2019-2021 - 1686 snaps
• Sack every 69 snaps
• QB hit every 29.1 snaps
• TFL every 45.6 snaps per TFL

2023-2025 - 1633 snaps
• Sack every 76 snaps
• QB hit every 26.3 snaps
• TFL every 46.7 snaps

He has been virtually as good the last 3 years as he was his first 3 years. Obviously his career year in 2022 was incredible, but he's been essentially the same elite player his entire career. There is no drop off.

For his career he averages a QB hit every 24.2 snaps. Myles Garrett averages a QB hit every 29.4 snaps. Literally better on average at hitting the QB than Myles Garrett.

Thank you. I wonder if fans realize how much our defense took a s**t after he went down.

I get the injury concerns, but the FO has to find pass rushers even when they don't own the 2nd pick of the draft. So far, they have not. His contract isnt stopping them from drafting better etc.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Effective isn't great and he's getting paid like a great edge rusher. His last double digit sack year was 2023 when he had 10. I'm not saying we should get rid of him but he's been injured a lot and his production has fallen off. Paying too much for edge rushers isn't a good formula for winning. Most of the best edge rushers were on teams that didn't even make the playoffs. Getting pressure n the QB and stopping the run are more a product of the defensive scheme and overall defense. When you overpay a few players the rest of the team suffers.

lol his production hasn't fallen off. Compare his first 3 seasons to his last 3. Throw out the DPOY season in the very middle.

2019-2020-2021 : 2 full years and 1 lost to injury
2023-2024-2025: 2 full years and 1 lost to injury

2019-2021 - 1686 snaps
• Sack every 69 snaps
• QB hit every 29.1 snaps
• TFL every 45.6 snaps per TFL

2023-2025 - 1633 snaps
• Sack every 76 snaps
• QB hit every 26.3 snaps
• TFL every 46.7 snaps

He has been virtually as good the last 3 years as he was his first 3 years. Obviously his career year in 2022 was incredible, but he's been essentially the same elite player his entire career. There is no drop off.

For his career he averages a QB hit every 24.2 snaps. Myles Garrett averages a QB hit every 29.4 snaps. Literally better on average at hitting the QB than Myles Garrett.

Okay but where are the sacks? Pressures are fine but a lot of QBs can still scramble away and make a big play unles they're on the ground. That's the biggest problem I have with Bosa.

The whole issue here is are they paying Bosa too much? His cap number this year is around $41 mil. New tyear it's about $52 million. I'm sure they''' restructure hus deal but that's still going to be a lot of money for the production they're getting. I know some of that is because of injuries but you have to consider them when you negotiate. You have to spend your money where you get the most bang for your buck.

Aside from Bosa's injuries, we don't even know if he fits in this new scheme. That being said, now is not the time to trade Bosa while his value is extremely low due to injury.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Okay but where are the sacks? Pressures are fine but a lot of QBs can still scramble away and make a big play unles they're on the ground. That's the biggest problem I have with Bosa.

The whole issue here is are they paying Bosa too much? His cap number this year is around $41 mil. New tyear it's about $52 million. I'm sure they''' restructure hus deal but that's still going to be a lot of money for the production they're getting. I know some of that is because of injuries but you have to consider them when you negotiate. You have to spend your money where you get the most bang for your buck.

Sacks aren't always under a players control. I care far more about disruptiveness. QB hits. You won't always be able to clamp down on a sack, but putting consistent hits on the QB can be just as effective big picture. Bosa has 62.5 sacks in his 5 full seasons played, which is 12.5 per season. He gets his sacks. Not sure how you can ask "where are the sacks?"

Elite pass rushers are like franchise QB's. You need one to win, they're difficult to find, and if you don't pay them market value, someone else will. Just how it goes. Our defense loses a huge amount of effectiveness when Bosa is out. He is a vital piece of this team.

Originally posted by Wolf_Packer_53:
Aside from Bosa's injuries, we don't even know if he fits in this new scheme. That being said, now is not the time to trade Bosa while his value is extremely low due to injury.

Elite pass rushers fit every scheme. He has the same objective regardless.