DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I wouldnt give Bosa $50 million per year, not worth it. I would trade him for a package like what the cowboys got for Parsons in a heart beat.

Terrible trade. Bust after bust for 1st round DEs. They are nearly as important as QBs. You don't let them walk unless you get insane value, of which the cowboys did not

Agree. Trading away a blue chip type player is a huge gamble considering only like 20% of first rounders end up being a good to great player. The odds of getting a Parsons level player is too low.
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Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Bosa's contract kind of feels like a deal now lol

Not only is he making noticeably less than Myles Garrett, TJ Watt and now Micah Parsons… but Bosa is pretty much the only one who actually shows up in big games. The other three each have one playoff sack, and it's not like they don't make the playoffs routinely—all three have played in 3-4 playoff games each.

Parsons/Garrett/Watt have a combined 3 playoff sacks in 11 games.

Bosa has 10 playoff sacks in 12 games.

Yes it was a number nobody touched for a while and then this offseason it became a bit of a bargain.

I'll be curious to see the details of the Parsons contract but it likely means bad things for us down the road. Not sure Nick will have a good basis for holding out next offseason but you never know. If Parsons' numbers stand Nick and his team certainly have a good case that no way is he $13 mil per season less than Parsons.

Then the question will be do the 49ers give in and keep Nick...or do we move him? Either way I hope Nick plays like it's a contract year for him. We can sort it out next offseason.

And Bosa's production in the postseason is crazy good. He was in the top 40 career playoff sacks after his first 3 seasons(we didn't make the playoffs in 2020)

They really tried to avoid the guy in 2022 and he's at 10 now. Tied for 19th in the NFL.

What do you mean by this?

I mean teams actively looked to throw the ball quickly, gave Bosa extra blockers/chips, etc to ensure he can't get to their QBs so he didn't get any sacks in the 2022 playoff run.

Now Bosa is going to want to hold out again and get more money. Just great. I don't think he's worth $47 million. He's hurt a lot. Some years his sack numbers aren't huge. He's a real good player. Not quite the athlete Parsons is. But a good athlete. He uses strength more and pass rush moves. Where Parsons uses speed, quickness and explosion.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I wouldnt give Bosa $50 million per year, not worth it. I would trade him for a package like what the cowboys got for Parsons in a heart beat.

I was going to be willing to trade him. If we had to pay 40mil. I'll be damned if I'd even come close to entertaining topping this.

So tired of this next man up pay raise b******t.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
I wouldnt give Bosa $50 million per year, not worth it. I would trade him for a package like what the cowboys got for Parsons in a heart beat.

I was going to be willing to trade him. If we had to pay 40mil. I'll be damned if I'd even come close to entertaining topping this.

So tired of this next man up pay raise b******t.

Two firsts and a former 1st round player who is a good player is fine. Bosa is hurt a lot. Doesn't put up huge sack numbers lots of years. I would not pay him $47 - $50 million. I'd rather stockpile draft capital.

I know some people have been down on Nick cuz of his contract and drop in sacks but here is another reminder that he's still one of the top edge rushers in the game

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Bosa's contract kind of feels like a deal now lol

Not only is he making noticeably less than Myles Garrett, TJ Watt and now Micah Parsons… but Bosa is pretty much the only one who actually shows up in big games. The other three each have one playoff sack, and it's not like they don't make the playoffs routinely—all three have played in 3-4 playoff games each.

Parsons/Garrett/Watt have a combined 3 playoff sacks in 11 games.

Bosa has 10 playoff sacks in 12 games.

Yes it was a number nobody touched for a while and then this offseason it became a bit of a bargain.

I'll be curious to see the details of the Parsons contract but it likely means bad things for us down the road. Not sure Nick will have a good basis for holding out next offseason but you never know. If Parsons' numbers stand Nick and his team certainly have a good case that no way is he $13 mil per season less than Parsons.

Then the question will be do the 49ers give in and keep Nick...or do we move him? Either way I hope Nick plays like it's a contract year for him. We can sort it out next offseason.

And Bosa's production in the postseason is crazy good. He was in the top 40 career playoff sacks after his first 3 seasons(we didn't make the playoffs in 2020)

They really tried to avoid the guy in 2022 and he's at 10 now. Tied for 19th in the NFL.

What do you mean by this?

I mean teams actively looked to throw the ball quickly, gave Bosa extra blockers/chips, etc to ensure he can't get to their QBs so he didn't get any sacks in the 2022 playoff run.

ah, yes I understand.

Basically they are scheming around him and warner?

Originally posted by genus49:
I know some people have been down on Nick cuz of his contract and drop in sacks but here is another reminder that he's still one of the top edge rushers in the game

Raw QB pressures can be fickle which is why I created the True Pressure Rate (TPR) that charts every pressure to determine the highest-quality + best 1v1 rushers.

Scale
Rare high-quality (RHQ) - 1v1, clean win vs. a top-tier OL
High-quality (HQ) - 1v1, clean win
Low-quality (LQ)… pic.twitter.com/Xrj0582EtL

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) August 29, 2025

Look at who's number 1, I am not a big data guy or football on paper but for you guys that are do you see why Parsons just got paid!

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:
I know some people have been down on Nick cuz of his contract and drop in sacks but here is another reminder that he's still one of the top edge rushers in the game

Raw QB pressures can be fickle which is why I created the True Pressure Rate (TPR) that charts every pressure to determine the highest-quality + best 1v1 rushers.

Scale
Rare high-quality (RHQ) - 1v1, clean win vs. a top-tier OL
High-quality (HQ) - 1v1, clean win
Low-quality (LQ)… pic.twitter.com/Xrj0582EtL

— Brandon Thorn (@BrandonThornNFL) August 29, 2025

Look at who's number 1, I am not a big data guy or football on paper but for you guys that are do you see why Parsons just got paid!

Micah is one of the best pass rushers in the NFL(clearly) but him getting a 6 million bump over the highest APY for a non QB is INSANE. Because Micah's ability in the run game is an issue. He's not terrible but he's pretty far down the list of edge run defenders.

No edge rusher is worth what a top QB is. Teams can negate a good pass rusher by using double teams or running away from his side. Yes they have to account for a guy like Bosa or Parsons but it's not like they can't find ways to move the ball. I remember when the Niners would face the Giants when they had Lawrence Taylor. He was better than Bodsa or Parsons but the Niners still found ways to slow him down.

This is exactly what I was writing about so often when the QB salaries started soaring. It was only a matter of time before players at other positions started wanting more money. I didn't think it would happen this fast but it did.

These same people claiming Bosa isn't good because of his "low sack numbers" are the same people who completely ignore Maxx Crosby's sack numbers so they can claim he's better lmao

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Two firsts and a former 1st round player who is a good player is fine. Bosa is hurt a lot. Doesn't put up huge sack numbers lots of years. I would not pay him $47 - $50 million. I'd rather stockpile draft capital.

Don't care to much for how Jerry handled it but it was the right call IMO.

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Two firsts and a former 1st round player who is a good player is fine. Bosa is hurt a lot. Doesn't put up huge sack numbers lots of years. I would not pay him $47 - $50 million. I'd rather stockpile draft capital.

Don't care to much for how Jerry handled it but it was the right call IMO.

They got raped in a trade. I understand the reluctance to give Parsons what GB just gave him but had Jerry done it properly from the start this deal could've been done well before all these other rushers signed their deals. Parsons was willing to get the deal done then. He wanted to stay there and Jerry basically killed it by being the stubborn old fool he is.

Kenny Clark is a solid player but he's a big body heading towards the twilight years of his career. The first round picks they're likely going to get will be late firsts and odds are they will not be able to find an edge rusher as good as Micah for a long time.

Originally posted by genus49:
They got raped in a trade. I understand the reluctance to give Parsons what GB just gave him but had Jerry done it properly from the start this deal could've been done well before all these other rushers signed their deals. Parsons was willing to get the deal done then. He wanted to stay there and Jerry basically killed it by being the stubborn old fool he is.

Kenny Clark is a solid player but he's a big body heading towards the twilight years of his career. The first round picks they're likely going to get will be late firsts and odds are they will not be able to find an edge rusher as good as Micah for a long time.

Agree with your 1st part whole heartedly.

The 2nd part is where I view it differently. You are correct that finding Micah late in the 1st isn't likely. However, you can still find all pros at other positions that can help your team win just as much as Parsons.

Now you throw in the extra cash you now have even more players that can help your team win.

If I'm the GM I'd rather the cash and the picks to fill out my roster. Signing Parsons to that kind of money is going to cost you at least one good player if not more.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
No edge rusher is worth what a top QB is. Teams can negate a good pass rusher by using double teams or running away from his side. Yes they have to account for a guy like Bosa or Parsons but it's not like they can't find ways to move the ball. I remember when the Niners would face the Giants when they had Lawrence Taylor. He was better than Bodsa or Parsons but the Niners still found ways to slow him down.

This is exactly what I was writing about so often when the QB salaries started soaring. It was only a matter of time before players at other positions started wanting more money. I didn't think it would happen this fast but it did.

I guess the thinking is if you are going to pay Paytom Manning, then you have to pay the guy that will make his life miserable as well.

Rules don't allow defenses to cover wr anymore so the double team logic doesn't work, not to mention there are 3-4 receivers on the field at once so lockdown CB's cost almost as much as pass rushers, can't double them all. Getting to the QB is everything in today's pass happy NFL and that costs $$$$$