DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by mayo49:

I love me some Bosa.

We got Bosa!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
73% of those formations aren't in base, that's a fact though.

1st off I dont even want to hear what "the 49ers" ran,...we sucked and ran what we did out of necessity. We were a bad team and teams largely dictated what we ran. The hope is we dont have another year like last year.

I'd rather listen to what the top 3 defensive teams or even all teams on average ran as legit examples.

And I wasn't able to find the 2018 totals yet,...but interestingly enough, base usage actually went up in 2017, per footballoutsiders.com.



Up past 33%,...but po-tae-to,...po-tat-o,...the key is where are we going with these stats??

Are we trying to say that your 3rd db cover guy (preferably a hybrid type for bigger ) can basically play as a starter and is ALOT more important on the field than they were 15 years ago?? Well hell yes they are,..but that's not groundbreaking or anything,...we've known that for years.

Or are we trying to diminish the importance of a team' 3rd LB,....basically suggesting we can fill that gap with lesser players?? If someone says this then that's where ignorance comes in and that person just doesn't understand football.

No No No,...you gotta understand that football is a chess match. Sure,...you'll sacrifice a couple pawns for the chance at getting another rook. But you're damn sure not risking your knights or your bishops when you dont have to.

That 3rd cover guy teams are now relying upon aren't eating into your 3rd linebacker's money or ability. They're eating into the money of bench players at other positions, or even at their own position, in your quest to have the best 53 you possibly can.

e.g.,...Maybe you're used to paying 8 starter-capable offensive linemen and now you can only pay 7 that type of money this year because you need more money for that more-capable 3rd DB.

So long as we agree on that then yea, keep stating over and over that nickel defense is pretty prevalent in today's game.

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

73% of those formations aren't in base, that's a fact though.

1st off I dont even want to hear what "the 49ers" ran,...we sucked and ran what we did out of necessity. We were a bad team and teams largely dictated what we ran. The hope is we dont have another year like last year.

I'd rather listen to what the top 3 defensive teams or even all teams on average ran as legit examples.

And I wasn't able to find the 2018 totals yet,...but interestingly enough, base usage actually went up in 2017, per footballoutsiders.com.



Up past 33%,...but po-tae-to,...po-tat-o,...the key is where are we going with these stats??

Are we trying to say that your 3rd db cover guy (preferably a hybrid type for bigger ) can basically play as a starter and is ALOT more important on the field than they were 15 years ago?? Well hell yes they are,..but that's not groundbreaking or anything,...we've known that for years.

Or are we trying to diminish the importance of a team' 3rd LB,....basically suggesting we can fill that gap with lesser players?? If someone says this then that's where ignorance comes in and that person just doesn't understand football.

No No No,...you gotta understand that football is a chess match. Sure,...you'll sacrifice a couple pawns for the chance at getting another rook. But you're damn sure not risking your knights or your bishops when you dont have to.

That 3rd cover guy teams are now relying upon aren't eating into your 3rd linebacker's money or ability. They're eating into the money of bench players at other positions, or even at their own position, in your quest to have the best 53 you possibly can.

e.g.,...Maybe you're used to paying 8 starter-capable offensive linemen and now you can only pay 7 that type of money this year because you need more money for that more-capable 3rd DB.

So long as we agree on that then yea, keep stating over and over that nickel defense is pretty prevalent in today's game.

NY85's point is still valid. So he's off by a couple percentages, big deal, the nickle defense is still the prevalent defense per your stats. So what *your* point?

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
IMO, Bosa has stepped into one the best situations a blue chip ER prospect could ever step into. He has a creative head coach that likes to score points and he's playing with elite line talent along side Buck and Dee Ford. Not to mention he's had the benefit of letting his body heal for almost a year, while getting expert coaching from his brother. If he can't get 10 sacks out the gate this year, he will be a disappointment. Like RBs, ERs seem to be a kind of position that you either have it or you don't. Not saying it can't be developed and players cant evolve, but the talent should be recognizable within a few games, rookie or not.

I wouldn't get too hung up on sack numbers. Our eye test will tell us whether he is making a difference on the field. I can see plays where Bosa gets the pressure but DeFo cleans it up, and vice versa. Then throw in Ford who is trying to get to the QB before Bosa gets there.

Thl, you dont' think that this sets up Solomon in the best possible position? I mean, by rights, DeFo should draw a double, same for Bosa...same for Dee. Who's going to take on Solomon?

I talk about this a little in my latest video that I just published a couple minutes ago. Basically, we try and design one of our DT's into a double team. That gives our LEO a two way go in pass rushing options and the other players determine their go pre-snap or, how I think it will be, the end on DeFo's side will take an outside move leaving DeFo 1v1 with a guard in space.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
73% of those formations aren't in base, that's a fact though.

1st off I dont even want to hear what "the 49ers" ran,...we sucked and ran what we did out of necessity. We were a bad team and teams largely dictated what we ran. The hope is we dont have another year like last year.

I'd rather listen to what the top 3 defensive teams or even all teams on average ran as legit examples.

And I wasn't able to find the 2018 totals yet,...but interestingly enough, base usage actually went up in 2017, per footballoutsiders.com.



Up past 33%,...but po-tae-to,...po-tat-o,...the key is where are we going with these stats??

Are we trying to say that your 3rd db cover guy (preferably a hybrid type for bigger ) can basically play as a starter and is ALOT more important on the field than they were 15 years ago?? Well hell yes they are,..but that's not groundbreaking or anything,...we've known that for years.

Or are we trying to diminish the importance of a team' 3rd LB,....basically suggesting we can fill that gap with lesser players?? If someone says this then that's where ignorance comes in and that person just doesn't understand football.

No No No,...you gotta understand that football is a chess match. Sure,...you'll sacrifice a couple pawns for the chance at getting another rook. But you're damn sure not risking your knights or your bishops when you dont have to.

That 3rd cover guy teams are now relying upon aren't eating into your 3rd linebacker's money or ability. They're eating into the money of bench players at other positions, or even at their own position, in your quest to have the best 53 you possibly can.

e.g.,...Maybe you're used to paying 8 starter-capable offensive linemen and now you can only pay 7 that type of money this year because you need more money for that more-capable 3rd DB.

So long as we agree on that then yea, keep stating over and over that nickel defense is pretty prevalent in today's game.

NY85's point is still valid. So he's off by a couple percentages, big deal, the nickle defense is still the prevalent defense per your stats. So what *your* point?

base-ically....see what I did there you're best 11 is gonna be your Nickel package. That's what you shoot for. Think about how Harbaugh and Fangio ranked that grouping. They spent a 1st round pick on a SCB and started an UDFA at NT that year. When Fangio was asked about it, he also said, "your nickel DB is on the field for about 70% of the plays".

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

IMO, Bosa has stepped into one the best situations a blue chip ER prospect could ever step into. He has a creative head coach that likes to score points and he's playing with elite line talent along side Buck and Dee Ford. Not to mention he's had the benefit of letting his body heal for almost a year, while getting expert coaching from his brother. If he can't get 10 sacks out the gate this year, he will be a disappointment. Like RBs, ERs seem to be a kind of position that you either have it or you don't. Not saying it can't be developed and players cant evolve, but the talent should be recognizable within a few games, rookie or not.

I wouldn't get too hung up on sack numbers. Our eye test will tell us whether he is making a difference on the field. I can see plays where Bosa gets the pressure but DeFo cleans it up, and vice versa. Then throw in Ford who is trying to get to the QB before Bosa gets there.

Thl, you dont' think that this sets up Solomon in the best possible position? I mean, by rights, DeFo should draw a double, same for Bosa...same for Dee. Who's going to take on Solomon?

I talk about this a little in my latest video that I just published a couple minutes ago. Basically, we try and design one of our DT's into a double team. That gives our LEO a two way go in pass rushing options and the other players determine their go pre-snap or, how I think it will be, the end on DeFo's side will take an outside move leaving DeFo 1v1 with a guard in space.

Can we get a link to the video? I'm a fan of your breakdowns Jonny keep it up

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

As soon as he starts racking up sacks and pressures the Bandwagoners will show up.

Here's to hoping I'm the first one on the wagon

All it will take for me is for him to stay healthy and play as good or better as the other top defensive players taken at the top of the draft.

Early signs are good, can't wait to see him in pads it's going to be an exciting season!!!

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

IMO, Bosa has stepped into one the best situations a blue chip ER prospect could ever step into. He has a creative head coach that likes to score points and he's playing with elite line talent along side Buck and Dee Ford. Not to mention he's had the benefit of letting his body heal for almost a year, while getting expert coaching from his brother. If he can't get 10 sacks out the gate this year, he will be a disappointment. Like RBs, ERs seem to be a kind of position that you either have it or you don't. Not saying it can't be developed and players cant evolve, but the talent should be recognizable within a few games, rookie or not.

Clowney and Flowers have never had 10 sacks in a season. Does that mean they're not good edge rushers?

As I said a few pages ago, rookie seasons for pass rushers are random. Mack only had four sacks his rookie season but he's considered a top 3 edge rusher in the game by most.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Clowney and Flowers have never had 10 sacks in a season. Does that mean they're not good edge rushers?

As I said a few pages ago, rookie seasons for pass rushers are random. Mack only had four sacks his rookie season but he's considered a top 3 edge rusher in the game by most.

It's an interesting question though. He comes into a situation similar to Aldon - very good interior player and very solid pass rusher from the opposite side. Now Aldon had an otherworldly first two years, but because a defense can't key in on Bosa, he should get plenty of opportunities. The player who should benefit the most is Thomas in my opinion. With all the attention paid to Buckner, Ford, and Bosa, he, Armstead, Blair, or Jones (whomever is in rotation) should fine life much easier.

Originally posted by C-Nut:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

IMO, Bosa has stepped into one the best situations a blue chip ER prospect could ever step into. He has a creative head coach that likes to score points and he's0 playing with elite line talent along side Buck and Dee Ford. Not to mention he's had the benefit of letting his body heal for almost a year, while getting expert coaching from his brother. If he can't get 10 sacks out the gate this year, he will be a disappointment. Like RBs, ERs seem to be a kind of position that you either have it or you don't. Not saying it can't be developed and players cant evolve, but the talent should be recognizable within a few games, rookie or not.

I wouldn't get too hung up on sack numbers. Our eye test will tell us whether he is making a difference on the field. I can see plays where Bosa gets the pressure but DeFo cleans it up, and vice versa. Then throw in Ford who is trying to get to the QB before Bosa gets there.

Thl, you dont' think that this sets up Solomon in the best possible position? I mean, by rights, DeFo should draw a double, same for Bosa...same for Dee. Who's going to take on Solomon?

I talk about this a little in my latest video that I just published a couple minutes ago. Basically, we try and design one of our DT's into a double team. That gives our LEO a two way go in pass rushing options and the other players determine their go pre-snap or, how I think it will be, the end on DeFo's side will take an outside move leaving DeFo 1v1 with a guard in space.

Can we get a link to the video? I'm a fan of your breakdowns Jonny keep it up

https://youtu.be/iZLWjx75Fj0

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by C-Nut:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

IMO, Bosa has stepped into one the best situations a blue chip ER prospect could ever step into. He has a creative head coach that likes to score points and he's0 playing with elite line talent along side Buck and Dee Ford. Not to mention he's had the benefit of letting his body heal for almost a year, while getting expert coaching from his brother. If he can't get 10 sacks out the gate this year, he will be a disappointment. Like RBs, ERs seem to be a kind of position that you either have it or you don't. Not saying it can't be developed and players cant evolve, but the talent should be recognizable within a few games, rookie or not.

I wouldn't get too hung up on sack numbers. Our eye test will tell us whether he is making a difference on the field. I can see plays where Bosa gets the pressure but DeFo cleans it up, and vice versa. Then throw in Ford who is trying to get to the QB before Bosa gets there.

Thl, you dont' think that this sets up Solomon in the best possible position? I mean, by rights, DeFo should draw a double, same for Bosa...same for Dee. Who's going to take on Solomon?

I talk about this a little in my latest video that I just published a couple minutes ago. Basically, we try and design one of our DT's into a double team. That gives our LEO a two way go in pass rushing options and the other players determine their go pre-snap or, how I think it will be, the end on DeFo's side will take an outside move leaving DeFo 1v1 with a guard in space.

Can we get a link to the video? I'm a fan of your breakdowns Jonny keep it up

https://youtu.be/iZLWjx75Fj0

I didn't mind the white board, people just don't know how to
Pay attention anymore.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by random49er:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
73% of those formations aren't in base, that's a fact though.

1st off I dont even want to hear what "the 49ers" ran,...we sucked and ran what we did out of necessity. We were a bad team and teams largely dictated what we ran. The hope is we dont have another year like last year.

I'd rather listen to what the top 3 defensive teams or even all teams on average ran as legit examples.

And I wasn't able to find the 2018 totals yet,...but interestingly enough, base usage actually went up in 2017, per footballoutsiders.com.



Up past 33%,...but po-tae-to,...po-tat-o,...the key is where are we going with these stats??

Are we trying to say that your 3rd db cover guy (preferably a hybrid type for bigger ) can basically play as a starter and is ALOT more important on the field than they were 15 years ago?? Well hell yes they are,..but that's not groundbreaking or anything,...we've known that for years.

Or are we trying to diminish the importance of a team' 3rd LB,....basically suggesting we can fill that gap with lesser players?? If someone says this then that's where ignorance comes in and that person just doesn't understand football.

No No No,...you gotta understand that football is a chess match. Sure,...you'll sacrifice a couple pawns for the chance at getting another rook. But you're damn sure not risking your knights or your bishops when you dont have to.

That 3rd cover guy teams are now relying upon aren't eating into your 3rd linebacker's money or ability. They're eating into the money of bench players at other positions, or even at their own position, in your quest to have the best 53 you possibly can.

e.g.,...Maybe you're used to paying 8 starter-capable offensive linemen and now you can only pay 7 that type of money this year because you need more money for that more-capable 3rd DB.

So long as we agree on that then yea, keep stating over and over that nickel defense is pretty prevalent in today's game.

NY85's point is still valid. So he's off by a couple percentages, big deal, the nickle defense is still the prevalent defense per your stats. So what *your* point?

base-ically....see what I did there you're best 11 is gonna be your Nickel package. That's what you shoot for. Think about how Harbaugh and Fangio ranked that grouping. They spent a 1st round pick on a SCB and started an UDFA at NT that year. When Fangio was asked about it, he also said, "your nickel DB is on the field for about 70% of the plays".

I don't get how the money comes into play. You just shift the cap resources to the appropriate 11 personnel in nickel. Big deal that we don't pay the 3rd linebacker much money and we pay the slot nickel more, that's the way it should be from a capanomics standpoint if the slot nickel is going to play more.

The base defense is good against both the run and the pass, if the score is even, but if the score is where the 49ers are ahead, I doubt the opposing teams run/pass ratio stays at 50/50. If Kyle's offense finally gets to where his offense is in the top 10, most teams will have to go to a more pass happy 3 wide or 4 wide to keep up with Kyles offense from the git go. Then at that point the nickel *is* the base defense - specially in the 4th quarter and the 49ers are trying to close out the game.

I *still* don't get random49er's point.

Originally posted by T-9ers:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by C-Nut:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
IMO, Bosa has stepped into one the best situations a blue chip ER prospect could ever step into. He has a creative head coach that likes to score points and he's0 playing with elite line talent along side Buck and Dee Ford. Not to mention he's had the benefit of letting his body heal for almost a year, while getting expert coaching from his brother. If he can't get 10 sacks out the gate this year, he will be a disappointment. Like RBs, ERs seem to be a kind of position that you either have it or you don't. Not saying it can't be developed and players cant evolve, but the talent should be recognizable within a few games, rookie or not.

I wouldn't get too hung up on sack numbers. Our eye test will tell us whether he is making a difference on the field. I can see plays where Bosa gets the pressure but DeFo cleans it up, and vice versa. Then throw in Ford who is trying to get to the QB before Bosa gets there.

Thl, you dont' think that this sets up Solomon in the best possible position? I mean, by rights, DeFo should draw a double, same for Bosa...same for Dee. Who's going to take on Solomon?

I talk about this a little in my latest video that I just published a couple minutes ago. Basically, we try and design one of our DT's into a double team. That gives our LEO a two way go in pass rushing options and the other players determine their go pre-snap or, how I think it will be, the end on DeFo's side will take an outside move leaving DeFo 1v1 with a guard in space.

Can we get a link to the video? I'm a fan of your breakdowns Jonny keep it up

https://youtu.be/iZLWjx75Fj0

I didn't mind the white board, people just don't know how to
Pay attention anymore.

I agree that you don't want copyright issues with the NFL. Better be safe and not use extensive clips of NFL property. But I think fair use is also in play in that you can use some clips without too much problems but they have to be a certain length of time before you violate copyrights. I enjoyed the video, and learned a lot. Keep it up! JonnyDel

De-Fo-Sa

Originally posted by VaBeachNiner:

De-Fo-Sa

DeeFordest Bosaner