DE Nick Bosa "Smaller Bear" NO POLITICS

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by lamontb:
pay the man. and if he plays this Sunday he should definitely be on snap count. Long flight with an early start time

He will sign 1 hour before game time and then go out and have a 10 sack game.

Literally whats gonna happen lol

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by BP22:
do people not understand how the salary cap works? I could care less what Jed does with his money, but I'd like to see Aiyuk resigned next year, Hufanga later, etc. Do you want the 49ers to have sustained success? they're trying to manage the cap

Fully aware of how the salary cap works. Where there seems to be a disconnect is that fans expect Bosa to take less than what he's worth, or would obtain in free agency, simply because there's a cap and we have other good players.

This is life in the modern NFL. Championship windows don't last forever and the league isn't set up to allow teams to pay every player they have regardless of cost. You supplement your roster and reload through successful drafting and free agency. Team's have to make choices, and unless Bosa is asking for something extremely unusual, what's happening here is SOP.

I wish the league had a rule where if you drafted a guy, that a percentage of their salary cap hit didn't count against the cap. I hate how in the NFL and NBA, you're eventually punished if you draft and develop well. I think they should do something where teams have extra ability to keep their guys.

one thing I think the game is missing these days, are players being on a team for a long time. Maybe it's just me, but I enjoy it when a guy is on the team longer and drafted by those guys. Guys like Joe Staley. makes winning so much sweeter to me.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Na....just wanted to see how many people over value Bosa. In the end, I would pull the trigger on two of the three but it would be stupid for the Jets to do so.

I don't think anyone truthfully thinks Bosa is untradable. he is however one of the best players in the NFL and not even in his prime. If he was magically a FA he would be the highest paid non-QB and that's not even debatable.

getting all hot & bother over what he makes and wanting to ship him off is dramatic. The jets aren't sending Williams & sauce so let's stop the nonsense and we don't need to have like $200M invested into two DTs (more than that with AA). We don't need a RG that will demand top dollar and you KNOW this front office isn't paying him.

Your damn f**kn right I am hot and bother and you should be too.

One of our top players is holding out under contract which is 17 mill + with a report 30+ mill on the table.

Should I be happy about that?

Stop being naive to the fact Bosa isnt playing a part in it. He doesnt deserve the cover some are giving him. Yes the owner makes alot too, welcome to capitalism.

It's funny how most fans are numb to the money in sports these days when owners and players really could give 2 s**ts about the fanbase.

You're hot and bothered over stuff you can't control and actually don't know the money that's being discussed.

yes welcome to capitalism, where the open market for Nick Bosa would be very very good to him.

𝐀𝐧𝐨𝐧𝐲𝐦𝐨𝐮𝐬 𝐍𝐅𝐋 𝐀𝐠𝐞𝐧𝐭: "Bosa has all the leverage. 31 other teams want a Nick Bosa & at least 28 of them would pay him what he wants."

The agent continued by mentioning & I'm paraphrasing now: Nick Bosa & his agent Brian Ayrault know this. There never was going… pic.twitter.com/ZkdYKnm0kD

— 49ers & NFL News 24/7 (@49ersSportsTalk) September 5, 2023

numb to money that's not mine lol? Yup pretty much. My life goes on regardless if Nick gets a couple million more in his bank account….again no one would tell you to settle up for less than your worth in your job.

Eventually it will affect your bank account too.

Lol the team is spending they money regardless of who it goes to…if I want to watch a football game it will be expensive regardless if they sign Bosa lol my god dude.

Your right. why should I care about affordability or team cap or really the unbalance of wealth in general.

Give him 40 mill for 10 years guaranteed. sign and let's go!

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Your right. why should I care about affordability or team cap or really the unbalance of wealth in general.

Give him 40 mill for 10 years guaranteed. sign and let's go!

Your exaggerated terms aside… star players at premium positions cost top dollar. We can make the choice to play hardball in the hopes of saving a few bucks or getting a few favorable clauses in the contract, but there's risks involved. There's also risks involved in paying him, including losing other talent when it's their time to be paid.

The way to navigate this is to be successful in the draft and free agency, and make prudent decisions on who is essential to the team. A premium pass rusher is the second most important spot on an NFL roster, only behind QB.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by BP22:
do people not understand how the salary cap works? I could care less what Jed does with his money, but I'd like to see Aiyuk resigned next year, Hufanga later, etc. Do you want the 49ers to have sustained success? they're trying to manage the cap

Fully aware of how the salary cap works. Where there seems to be a disconnect is that fans expect Bosa to take less than what he's worth, or would obtain in free agency, simply because there's a cap and we have other good players.

This is life in the modern NFL. Championship windows don't last forever and the league isn't set up to allow teams to pay every player they have regardless of cost. You supplement your roster and reload through successful drafting and free agency. Team's have to make choices, and unless Bosa is asking for something extremely unusual, what's happening here is SOP.

It's not free agency, and if Bosa wants to get paid like it is, he'll have to wait this year, plus three potential franchise tag years later. He's not on the open market, but based off what TJ Watt made in his deal, a reasonable person can expect that plus a raise for Bosa. That's the market on top DEs who still have team years and franchise tags left before FA.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
The franchise tag isn't stagnant. It goes up as contracts go up and each tag goes up a % on top of it. Also the owner has to fork over that cash each year in all GTD cash. Jed wouldn't be a fan of this at all…there's zero cost control tied into the tag. Bosa could get "hurt" after one game and we're out $25M.

every team has leverage, if he's not playing and SF is losing then yeah who gives a f**k about team leverage, just pay him and get it done.

The tag is the higher of the average of the 5 highest paid players at his position, or 20% more then the previous year. Since his rookie contract pay is Way below the top 5, he'll get that average and not the 20%, and that will be Far less than the contract on the table, which will clearly be the highest for a DE. The next year, the 20 percent increase will prevail.

Yeah, Jed wouldn't be a fan of the all cash payment with no room to smooth out the cap, but what he'd Really like is no need to smooth out a $40m signing bonus, and it is only a one year deal at a time. No carryover, no dead money, and no liability to the team in case of injury beyond the current year. That last part would be on Bosa, and that, along with no up front signing money, is why it ain't never going to happen. It's in Bosa's interest to sign, even if it is a couple mil below the stars in his eyes.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by BP22:
do people not understand how the salary cap works? I could care less what Jed does with his money, but I'd like to see Aiyuk resigned next year, Hufanga later, etc. Do you want the 49ers to have sustained success? they're trying to manage the cap

Fully aware of how the salary cap works. Where there seems to be a disconnect is that fans expect Bosa to take less than what he's worth, or would obtain in free agency, simply because there's a cap and we have other good players.

This is life in the modern NFL. Championship windows don't last forever and the league isn't set up to allow teams to pay every player they have regardless of cost. You supplement your roster and reload through successful drafting and free agency. Team's have to make choices, and unless Bosa is asking for something extremely unusual, what's happening here is SOP.

It's not free agency, and if Bosa wants to get paid like it is, he'll have to wait this year, plus three potential franchise tag years later. He's not on the open market, but based off what TJ Watt made in his deal, a reasonable person can expect that plus a raise for Bosa. That's the market on top DEs who still have team years and franchise tags left before FA.

No way. He deserves atleast 35-40 mill. Just pay the man. Who cares about anything else. He is Nic Bosa!

Originally posted by Chance:
It's not free agency, and if Bosa wants to get paid like it is, he'll have to wait this year, plus three potential franchise tag years later. He's not on the open market, but based off what TJ Watt made in his deal, a reasonable person can expect that plus a raise for Bosa. That's the market on top DEs who still have team years and franchise tags left before FA.

I agree with the top part but he can continue his hold out through 8 games, and our relationship with a premium pass rusher on a HoF trajectory can be fractured in the process. I think ideally we keep him beyond 3 years, and he plays at every opportunity.

Like I said in the last post I made, we have choices to make with varying potential outcomes. Maybe we play hardball and he caves. Maybe he plays hardball and we cave. Maybe it jeopardizes our ability to sign other talent to big deals. Maybe a holdout into this season costs us HFA and a better shot at winning the SB.

All I know is that I don't blame Bosa for maximizing his worth, and I don't expect him to take less because it 'helps the team'. I also don't blame our team for trying to maximize their position either. Again, it's SOP.

To any fans saying "we should trade Bosa" no offense but this is what you sound like:

Family Guy - "You can have the boat or the 'mystery box'"=RiIsN-CrwSrwdHyG

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
To any fans saying "we should trade Bosa" no offense but this is what you sound like:

Family Guy - "You can have the boat or the 'mystery box'"=RiIsN-CrwSrwdHyG

Lol. I posted that vid multiple times in the Trey Lance wars. Multi-use meme-ing ftw.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
To any fans saying "we should trade Bosa" no offense but this is what you sound like:

Family Guy - "You can have the boat or the 'mystery box'"=RiIsN-CrwSrwdHyG

The whole point of getting draft picks is the hope you GET a nick bosa and pay him to be an elite player for years and years

just insane that some fans are cool with shipping him

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
The whole point of getting draft picks is the hope you GET a nick bosa and pay him to be an elite player for years and years

just insane that some fans are cool with shipping him

To be fair to those people, we're going to have to make this choice with some of our guys… it's just a question of who.

I saw someone earlier talking about a Bosa contract potentially forcing us to lose out on Aiyuk and Hufanga. Well that's the current NFL, and me personally it's an easy call choosing Bosa. Bosa is the most valuable player on this team until we have a franchise QB. Sign the great players at premium positions. Replace the good players at lesser positions through good drafting and free agency. We can't keep them all forever.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
To any fans saying "we should trade Bosa" no offense but this is what you sound like:

Family Guy - "You can have the boat or the 'mystery box'"=RiIsN-CrwSrwdHyG

The whole point of getting draft picks is the hope you GET a nick bosa and pay him to be an elite player for years and years

just insane that some fans are cool with shipping him

Yep. Bosa is one of bout 15 bonafide assets that teams shouldn't even consider trading. Qbs included. It definitely sucks he's holding out tho. I'm not sure he loves this part of the country and could see him simply playing his contract out and then bouncing East. But there's just too much money and risk on the table for him to do that.
we are going to just have to bite the bullet and pay the freight here

A lot of words in this thread and still nothing saying he's signed yet lol

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Because that is how it should be. He is not Aaron Donald 3x DPOY playing DT.

Lol I wonder if the outrage was the same when Donald signed his massive first contract that made him the highest paid defensive player in history back in 2018. He had one DPOY at that point (won another that yr). He held out the yr prior and didn't sign that massive deal until august 31st.

You're comparing Donald at 32 vs Bosa at 25 lol when you bring up s**t like 3 DPOY which wasn't a thing when he actually made that first monster contract.

Ew gross context. Get that out here man. s**ts nasty I hate it

Fair enough.