WR Jordan Matthews Is a TE. And now released, again. And a 49er, again.

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by mayo49:
I like Matthews - hope he makes the team.

Me too. Need him on the locker room telling Uncle Jerry war stories.

You guys like him b/c of his bloodties. He hasn't earned sh*t.

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

You guys like him b/c of his bloodties. He hasn't earned sh*t.

So you have watched every practice then? Please fill us in...

Originally posted by Scarlettlove:

You going to take your ball and go home? What kind of sauce you want for that crow? I'll pick it up for you.

I'm done debating over someone that more likely will be a bottom of the roster player. We're talking WR6 on the depth chart end of the day.

I'll gladly be wrong if he balls out this yr...I'm not a a*****e who would rather be right vs my team doing well.

I do expect the same in return if he doesn't do jack s**t for the team.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

I'm done debating over someone that more likely will be a bottom of the roster player. We're talking WR6 on the depth chart end of the day.

I'll gladly be wrong if he balls out this yr...I'm not a a*****e who would rather be right vs my team doing well.

I do expect the same in return if he doesn't do jack s**t for the team.

Absolutely sir...

The thing about Mathews and I have seen a lot of him, is over his career he has been startlingly average. He has never really lived up to the hype ever. If we were thin at receiver I would be pushing hard for him. He is a solid dude and a solid player, but we have a lot of young talent and I would rather have those guys with breakout potential than a guy who is just an average hand.

Originally posted by Scarlettlove:

Absolutely sir...

Good lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm done debating over someone that more likely will be a bottom of the roster player. We're talking WR6 on the depth chart end of the day.

I'll gladly be wrong if he balls out this yr...I'm not a a*****e who would rather be right vs my team doing well.

I do expect the same in return if he doesn't do jack s**t for the team.

wonder how long he will play thursday. ok, if a guy like him plays the whole game does that mean he is in danger of not making the roster. i would assume. guys who play none or very very little thursday have a roster spot locked up??

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:
The thing about Mathews and I have seen a lot of him, is over his career he has been startlingly average. He has never really lived up to the hype ever. If we were thin at receiver I would be pushing hard for him. He is a solid dude and a solid player, but we have a lot of young talent and I would rather have those guys with breakout potential than a guy who is just an average hand.

however... you wonder if taylors injury is a wild card factor. maybe they keep mathews and then cut him when taylor gets back. i know they said taylor may be back for the first game but not sure thats realistic with a busted foot

Originally posted by PhillyNiner:

The thing about Mathews and I have seen a lot of him, is over his career he has been startlingly average. He has never really lived up to the hype ever. If we were thin at receiver I would be pushing hard for him. He is a solid dude and a solid player, but we have a lot of young talent and I would rather have those guys with breakout potential than a guy who is just an average hand.

I agree, but if he was what you describe he would be getting paid and we couldn't afford him. I think he is an above average possession receiver and that's okay too.

Originally posted by cciowa:
however... you wonder if taylors injury is a wild card factor. maybe they keep mathews and then cut him when taylor gets back. i know they said taylor may be back for the first game but not sure thats realistic with a busted foot

i think 85 floated that theory that cc spoke of here in regards to taylors injury being a key to mathews future on our team

Originally posted by TheXFactor:

Originally posted by WestCoastForever:

Originally posted by mayo49:

I like Matthews - hope he makes the team.

Me too. Need him on the locker room telling Uncle Jerry war stories.

You guys like him b/c of his bloodties. He hasn't earned sh*t.

Yeah, we stoopud.

Seriously, I don't know if he'll make the team.

I like his size and speed, and he has decent hands. I do like his connection to Jerry , because it can inspire the other receivers to be great. And he is a veteran presence among very young receivers.

He probably would make this team but for that talented rookie squad.

I hope we can keep him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
So let me get this straight you're telling me to not have an opinion?

Again you're talking about stuff that was either two years ago and that's as irrelevant as saying he was this good in this or that year. Like I've said before it's a new team, new QB, new head coach and new offense.

And btw no where did I mention or did we say anything about what Matthews did in another teams camp, NC and I were talking about the 49ers camp. NC simply stated that he catches everything coming his way and you said "No he hasn't caught everything his way and there's clips of him dropping balls", your words not mine.

I think you need to look at the KC games again, that pass was nowhere near his hands, Mullens threw the pass too far in front of him. Maybe Matthews should've tried to leap for it, yah I'll fault him there, but no it didn't hit his hands.

I mean you keep mentioning that he's not very good yet, Shanahan says he could win with Matthews and that he's been consistent all off season. Not sure why you're having trouble reading it that way. lol

So going back to the beginning, where's all these clips, articles or twitter post of Matthews dropping passes? And please, don't show just one to justify your opinion of Matthews, when 1 outta 100 reps this off season is pretty much nothing.

Go 9ers. peace.

I never stated anywhere that you couldn't have a opinion SO no need for that comment. How about this... show me all these amazing catches he's making in practice and in the preseason? Nothing to be found either. I've read articles of recaps throughout the months of training camp stating he's dropped balls at some pt. I'm not gonna dig though 50+ different training day recap articles to find that for ya, sorry my man.

I did look at the KC game, his hand touches it, he's wide f**king open....you telling me he could lay out for that? That happens to Pettis and people are calling him soft for not laying out.

Yeah he's not very good....there's yrs worth of film that back that up. Maybe he's a depth WR BUT you got people in here that think he's a starter and IMO (yup that's all it is same as yours) it's simply not the case. He does nothing well, has zero versatility, can't stay healthy, and we can save like $1M by not having him on the roster.

My pt with him is that he's simply not better than 6 other WRs on this team. IF they keep 7 he makes the team (and I'll be shocked if he plays the full season).

so agree to disagree.

You never stated I couldn't have an opinion? Did I just make this up. "Dude you've been defending Matthews since he came here. stop with that."?

Also lets just stop right there with putting words in my mouth, never did I say he makes all these amazing catches. But you do keep avoiding the fact that Shanahan has stated that he's been consistent. Has Matthews been the most consistent in TC, I doubt it, I'll let Shanahan be the judge of that after all he's seen him the most so I'm gonna base things off of what he says not what some amateur twitter handle takes outta context, if you don't mind?

Also where are these articles you keep mentioning of him dropping passes in TC? I showed you a bunch of articles and all you give me is "I can't find them" but continue to use that to justify your argument/s. lol So quick to post some random dudes tweets but can't find a simple article or articles stating Matthews drops all these passes?

And how about you watch that clip again of Matthews, if anything the ball might've grazed his hand but the ball was thrown slightly overthrown and in back of him. Notice how Matthews turns his head and looks back at the ball. Either way, Mullens deep pass isn't the greatest either, whether it be a poorly timed pass or inaccurate, all I know is it didn't hit him in both hands like some receivers I've seen.

And even with that missed pass by Matthews, some of you still ignore that PFF gave him the second best grade on offense. But yah just keep bringing up what he did in 2017 and 2018 to make you feel better, all better.

You said "And I'm not even debating Matthews making the team" yet you've been all about him since we signed him. That's my point, I know your stance on him no need to say the first thing.

http://www.knbr.com/2019/08/02/49ers-notebook-longest-practice-of-training-camp-bourne-discusses-being-on-the-bubble/

Mullens: Not a great day for Mullens. He pulled it together at the end, but it was still a woeful day. He got would-be sacked three times, had a horribly underthrown interception – which safety Marcell Harris – caught tenderly like a kickball blooper, and couldn't complete much after his first pass.

That first pass was perfectly executed, however; a great throw and catch to Pettis. But it was followed (in order) by a sack from D.J. Reed (the spike), an easy pass breakup by safety Tyree Robinson, a swatted ball at the line by Sheldon Day, that easy-as-you-come interception to Harris on a pass thrown well behind Richie James Jr., a very near second interception by cornerback Emmanuel Moseley on a rollout intended for Pettis, a would-be sack and incompletion on a drop by Jordan Matthews,

Dude has dropped balls his whole f**king career...you think he magically figures it out now? Nah.

I've watched that clip plenty he layouts for that and he catches it. Debbo would layout for it, James layouts out for it, Kendrick had just as hard a catch and did layout for it.

Wait you're bringing up PFF grades from week 3 preseason.... Guess who was #1?? Richie James

92.6 Overall Grade, 15 Offensive Snaps
A seventh-round draft pick out of Middle Tennessee a year ago, San Francisco 49ers wide receiver Richie James Jr. had his best performance of the preseason so far this past week. He caught all four passes thrown his way for 66 yards and averaged 8.25 yards per route run, the best mark among receivers with at least four targets this week.

Actually he's the #1 overall WR this preseason according to PFF (89.0 grade)

It's funny people bring up kyle saying all this positive stuff about him and like to forget he said the same s**t about Kendrick Bourne a week prior.

We will fine out in a week. Imo James should get the spot over either of them. Maybe they keep 7 if Taylor is that banged up. I'm done debating Jordan Matthews and our WR6 spot. If he makes the team I hope he scores 10+ TDs, I'll gladly eat some crow.

Again, you show me one article, compared to all the snaps a WR takes during the off season. And good for James that he was #1 in PFF scores for wk 3, never said anything bad about James, he's a hell of a WR. Sure Shanahan has said good things about Bourne, but between Bourne, Matthews and James, he's the only one that said needs to be more consistent. Bourne has what 3 drops in Preseason compared to what 1 if you wanna count that as a drop I guess go ahead.

As for the WR's, I think Taylor starts off on either IR if they need to free up a spot, a QB gets traded if they do indeed need to keep 7 WR's. I doubt they keep 7 but judging from the group of receivers health, I think they need to keep 7.

I still think he makes the 53.

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Again, you show me one article, compared to all the snaps a WR takes during the off season. And good for James that he was #1 in PFF scores for wk 3, never said anything bad about James, he's a hell of a WR. Sure Shanahan has said good things about Bourne, but between Bourne, Matthews and James, he's the only one that said needs to be more consistent. Bourne has what 3 drops in Preseason compared to what 1 if you wanna count that as a drop I guess go ahead.

As for the WR's, I think Taylor starts off on either IR if they need to free up a spot, a QB gets traded if they do indeed need to keep 7 WR's. I doubt they keep 7 but judging from the group of receivers health, I think they need to keep 7.

James is the #1 WR in all of the NFL in the preseason (89 overall) not just week 3 FWIW. My point is if they keep 6 it should be James.

Matthews has had how many targets in preseason? He also wasn't playing with the starters week 3 that was Bourne.

So you're saying Taylor missed the next 8 games? I don't see that happening. it's reportedly a 4-6 week injury.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Again, you show me one article, compared to all the snaps a WR takes during the off season. And good for James that he was #1 in PFF scores for wk 3, never said anything bad about James, he's a hell of a WR. Sure Shanahan has said good things about Bourne, but between Bourne, Matthews and James, he's the only one that said needs to be more consistent. Bourne has what 3 drops in Preseason compared to what 1 if you wanna count that as a drop I guess go ahead.

As for the WR's, I think Taylor starts off on either IR if they need to free up a spot, a QB gets traded if they do indeed need to keep 7 WR's. I doubt they keep 7 but judging from the group of receivers health, I think they need to keep 7.

James is the #1 WR in all of the NFL in the preseason (89 overall) not just week 3 FWIW. My point is if they keep 6 it should be James.

Matthews has had how many targets in preseason? He also wasn't playing with the starters week 3 that was Bourne.

So you're saying Taylor missed the next 8 games? I don't see that happening. it's reportedly a 4-6 week injury.

Matthews started with the ones the first two Preseason games. But reason he didn't have that many snaps (less than 10) is that Shanahan stated he already knows what he has in Matthews. So I wouldn't look too much into it.

But yah I wouldn't mind seeing James make it:

Samuel
Goodwin
Hurd
Pettis
Matthews
James

I think they'll strongly consider starting Taylor on IR though designate to return week 8.