WR Jordan Matthews Is a TE. And now released, again. And a 49er, again.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by mayo49:

I hope Matthews makes the cut - we need some veteran presence along with the youngsters.

Goodwin is a vet...

I think, Goodwin is fall for us and seem something wrong with him. It's weird.

I hope Kyle agrees with us Matthews supporters. A sure handed red zone threat is exactly what we need.

Originally posted by niners94:

I wished we had an accomplished vet.

Those guys cost money...that's not Matthews either

People need to realize making the argument of what has he done lately is not a smart one. Goodwin didn't do 💩 until he left buffalo, arguably the worst passing offense in football the last few years. When Goodwin had jimmy he looked like a wr2 or borderline wr1. Not saying Matthews will be a wr2 or even a good 3 but that's only bc he will he targeted less than Kittle Coleman Goodwin and possibly Pettis.

Come on man!!!!!

Originally posted by genus49:
I'd hate to see us keep a clearly inferior player just because he's a vet....

You know who else are vets? Wes Welker and Miles Austin

And yes Goodwin has more experience than Matthews so keeping Jordan around due to his veteran presence to me would be criminal.

Keep the best talent for the buck. End of story.

I think he's a good 5th/6th receiver on a team.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Since he wasn't on buffalo? You can't be seriously knocking him for where wrs go to die. Last year on philly he was barely used. A mistake on their part

mistake for NE as well they would rather start the season with 3 WRs on their roster vs have Matthews on the team.

Dude just isn't that good end of the day. If he was we won't be debating if he can beat out a UDFA and 7th RD pick. He'd be showcasing all this talent throughout TC/preseason.

Originally posted by mayo49:

I think he's a good 5th/6th receiver on a team.

If that's the case he won't be active on game day most likely

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:

Since he wasn't on buffalo? You can't be seriously knocking him for where wrs go to die. Last year on philly he was barely used. A mistake on their part

mistake for NE as well they would rather start the season with 3 WRs on their roster vs have Matthews on the team.

Dude just isn't that good end of the day. If he was we won't be debating if he can beat out a UDFA and 7th RD pick. He'd be showcasing all this talent throughout TC/preseason.

It won't be the first time New England cut a good wr. That's a bad example imo. He can still be a great 4th option on our team (fifth when Taylor comes back). Doesn't change the fact he may be our best RZ threat. He's the only one that's actually done it before with results. Goodwin wasn't a s**tty player either. He was on buffalo. You have to admit if he never left philly he would of had a much better career with Wentz

I can see you don't like him on our team but you'd rather have Bourne??? In the RZ you would rather him not be on our team. I hope Kyle disagrees with you bc I want results. TDS vs fgs and Matthews is a good answer to that imo

Originally posted by elguapo:
People need to realize making the argument of what has he done lately is not a smart one. Goodwin didn't do 💩 until he left buffalo, arguably the worst passing offense in football the last few years. When Goodwin had jimmy he looked like a wr2 or borderline wr1. Not saying Matthews will be a wr2 or even a good 3 but that's only bc he will he targeted less than Kittle Coleman Goodwin and possibly Pettis.

Come on man!!!!!

What has Matthews done? And your comparison doesn't make sense.

Goodwin was never a starter and was playing behind Watkins and Woods. He had 111 targets in 4 years with Buffalo. For comparison he had 105 with us in his first season here.

Jordan Matthews had 346 targets in his first 3 seasons with Philly....

Matthews has shown a lot more than Goodwin has and the fact that he hasn't done squat the last few years is not a great look for him. The fact that he hasn't stood out here over the young guys also isn't a great look.

I loved Matthews coming out of college but he's not the same player. If you're waiting for the guy from early in his career when everything else is showing you he's not that guy then you're making a bad mistake keeping him over guys who have shown more NOW.

I am pleasantly surprised that Kyle is going out of his way to praise him. Maybe actually going to make the 53? Would be shocking.

I probably understand how he feels. These other receivers haven't done jack. Can't be trusted.

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
Since he wasn't on buffalo? You can't be seriously knocking him for where wrs go to die. Last year on philly he was barely used. A mistake on their part

mistake for NE as well they would rather start the season with 3 WRs on their roster vs have Matthews on the team.

Dude just isn't that good end of the day. If he was we won't be debating if he can beat out a UDFA and 7th RD pick. He'd be showcasing all this talent throughout TC/preseason.

It won't be the first time New England cut a good wr. That's a bad example imo. He can still be a great 4th option on our team (fifth when Taylor comes back). Doesn't change the fact he may be our best RZ threat. He's the only one that's actually done it before with results. Goodwin wasn't a s**tty player either. He was on buffalo. You have to admit if he never left philly he would of had a much better career with Wentz

I can see you don't like him on our team but you'd rather have Bourne??? In the RZ you would rather him not be on our team. I hope Kyle disagrees with you bc I want results. TDS vs fgs and Matthews is a good answer to that imo

When have they cut a good WR?

Let's not forget they weren't exactly overflowing with WR talent to start that season with Edelman being suspended.

Here were the WRs from their week 1 game last year

Chris Hogan
Cordarrelle Patterson
Phillip Dorsett
Riley McCarron

Riley McCarron???

Originally posted by elguapo:

It won't be the first time New England cut a good wr. That's a bad example imo. He can still be a great 4th option on our team (fifth when Taylor comes back). Doesn't change the fact he may be our best RZ threat. He's the only one that's actually done it before with results. Goodwin wasn't a s**tty player either. He was on buffalo. You have to admit if he never left philly he would of had a much better career with Wentz

I can see you don't like him on our team but you'd rather have Bourne??? In the RZ you would rather him not be on our team. I hope Kyle disagrees with you bc I want results. TDS vs fgs and Matthews is a good answer to that imo

I mean I think it's a great example, who has NE cut at the WR position that were studs? They've taken washed up vets and helped them produce.

I don't think he's a much better RZ threat than Bourne, Hurd, Deebo, kittle, or really even Taylor who gets open quickly.

I mean I don't hate the guy, I don't even know him I think he was in a inflated offense in philly that used the slot WR a ton. His YPR is actually pretty awful. He can't play outside and offers next to nothing in STs. If you're talking about WR5/6 you gotta do something in STs, like Richie James has been showing...imo Matthews is a waste of a roster spot and won't be on this team in a yr anyway. Bourne and James are dirt cheap and can actually continue to get better.

Agree to disagree. 2015 Matthews isn't coming back and it wasn't anything special to begin with. Even Philly didn't want to pay him.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:

It won't be the first time New England cut a good wr. That's a bad example imo. He can still be a great 4th option on our team (fifth when Taylor comes back). Doesn't change the fact he may be our best RZ threat. He's the only one that's actually done it before with results. Goodwin wasn't a s**tty player either. He was on buffalo. You have to admit if he never left philly he would of had a much better career with Wentz

I can see you don't like him on our team but you'd rather have Bourne??? In the RZ you would rather him not be on our team. I hope Kyle disagrees with you bc I want results. TDS vs fgs and Matthews is a good answer to that imo

I mean I think it's a great example, who has NE cut at the WR position that were studs? They've taken washed up vets and helped them produce.

I don't think he's a much better RZ threat than Bourne, Hurd, Deebo, kittle, or really even Taylor who gets open quickly.

I mean I don't hate the guy, I don't even know him I think he was in a inflated offense in philly that used the slot WR a ton. His YPR is actually pretty awful. He can't play outside and offers next to nothing in STs. If you're talking about WR5/6 you gotta do something in STs, like Richie James has been showing...imo Matthews is a waste of a roster spot and won't be on this team in a yr anyway. Bourne and James are dirt cheap and can actually continue to get better.

Agree to disagree. 2015 Matthews isn't coming back and it wasn't anything special to begin with. Even Philly didn't want to pay him.

Maybe I should've worded that differently I didn't mean a good receiver like a current one or two, if you thought I meant a wide receiver that was still producing great stats that's not what I meant. I said he would be a good four or five option. I stated that a few times. I hope he makes the team because in my opinion scoring touchdowns are much more important than kicking field goals and the people that are arguing against Matthews even though he has declined a bit which I am not denying, they have to take into consideration who is throwing to him and his production has to be given a small pass. Also in Shanahan's offense you guys as well as I know that he will produce a lot more than other offenses.

Either way he will probably not be a top three passing option but he will make a good red zone threat. He still can jump and catch and that's all you need in the red zone even if you don't get separation. That was my main point and I believe it's strongly accurate

Originally posted by elguapo:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by elguapo:
It won't be the first time New England cut a good wr. That's a bad example imo. He can still be a great 4th option on our team (fifth when Taylor comes back). Doesn't change the fact he may be our best RZ threat. He's the only one that's actually done it before with results. Goodwin wasn't a s**tty player either. He was on buffalo. You have to admit if he never left philly he would of had a much better career with Wentz

I can see you don't like him on our team but you'd rather have Bourne??? In the RZ you would rather him not be on our team. I hope Kyle disagrees with you bc I want results. TDS vs fgs and Matthews is a good answer to that imo

I mean I think it's a great example, who has NE cut at the WR position that were studs? They've taken washed up vets and helped them produce.

I don't think he's a much better RZ threat than Bourne, Hurd, Deebo, kittle, or really even Taylor who gets open quickly.

I mean I don't hate the guy, I don't even know him I think he was in a inflated offense in philly that used the slot WR a ton. His YPR is actually pretty awful. He can't play outside and offers next to nothing in STs. If you're talking about WR5/6 you gotta do something in STs, like Richie James has been showing...imo Matthews is a waste of a roster spot and won't be on this team in a yr anyway. Bourne and James are dirt cheap and can actually continue to get better.

Agree to disagree. 2015 Matthews isn't coming back and it wasn't anything special to begin with. Even Philly didn't want to pay him.

Maybe I should've worded that differently I didn't mean a good receiver like a current one or two, if you thought I meant a wide receiver that was still producing great stats that's not what I meant. I said he would be a good four or five option. I stated that a few times. I hope he makes the team because in my opinion scoring touchdowns are much more important than kicking field goals and the people that are arguing against Matthews even though he has declined a bit which I am not denying, they have to take into consideration who is throwing to him and his production has to be given a small pass. Also in Shanahan's offense you guys as well as I know that he will produce a lot more than other offenses.

Either way he will probably not be a top three passing option but he will make a good red zone threat. He still can jump and catch and that's all you need in the red zone even if you don't get separation. That was my main point and I believe it's strongly accurate

I'm sorry but it sounds to me like you just like Matthews because he's a big body.

If Matthews is a 4th or 5th WR it's very likely he won't even see the field so is your plan to keep him active on gameday even though he may not see the field unless we're in the redzone or goalline situations...and then it's when he's going to shine?

You keep your best players at the position - period.

What's the point of having a guy who is only in during redzone situations? Isn't that kind of an indicator to the defense that he's the target? Cuz if you're going to use him as a decoy then once again...what's the point of having him on the roster? Not to mention his career high TD wise is 8. We're not talking about a guy who is an automatic to come down with 50/50 balls or someone who is dominant in the redzone.

Originally posted by genus49:

I'm sorry but it sounds to me like you just like Matthews because he's a big body.

If Matthews is a 4th or 5th WR it's very likely he won't even see the field so is your plan to keep him active on gameday even though he may not see the field unless we're in the redzone or goalline situations...and then it's when he's going to shine?

You keep your best players at the position - period.

What's the point of having a guy who is only in during redzone situations? Isn't that kind of an indicator to the defense that he's the target? Cuz if you're going to use him as a decoy then once again...what's the point of having him on the roster? Not to mention his career high TD wise is 8. We're not talking about a guy who is an automatic to come down with 50/50 balls or someone who is dominant in the redzone.

Not at all, there are plenty of big bodied receivers that don't produce like he has or I think he still can. Especially in Shanahan's offense. Touchdowns are the most important thing in my opinion Especially the red zone which we have lacked.

If we had a stacked roster I would agree with you 100% we don't need him however we don't we just have a lot of solid
WRs with potential so far. If you think eight touchdowns or so isn't that great then maybe the last few years didn't do enough damage to you being a fan especially if receivers cant get 1000 yards or above five touchdowns. So again, I hope Shanny agrees with me because I know this offense will be better with him in it. I'll leave it at that until final cuts.