2019 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

I think they said they love trey flowers but They doubt Saleh would use him right.

I'd be pretty stoked if we pulled from these clusters.

They did. They think, and I do too, Flowers by far is the most well rounded ER but they didn't feel Saleh would be creative enough to use him as well as NE. Naturally.

I wouldn't say flowers is the most well rounded ER. Just off of the top of my head guys like Lawrence, Graham, Clooney are much more well rounded and better at generating pressure . I'd be leery of throwing big money at a NE guy. Just my personal opinion, but I think he's a bit overrated

I think they are defining him as consistent pressure, sacks, ability in run defense, inside, outside, in variant schemes, drop, roles changing week to week, etc. I agree with their assessment. And yours as he's not the best pure ER.

I guess the variant schemes, but hes not more well rounded than those guys I mentioned imo. they are not only superior pass rushers and they are all better against the run as well. Those guys can do it all off the edge. Clowney (while I think he's a tad overrated as well vs what he will get paid) can play inside as well and play multiple schemes. In terms of well rounded edge guys, flowers is probably at 4-5 right after those guys. Interested to see how he plays if he leaves NE

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by FL9er:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

My condolences to a prominent player on the 49ers who is going through a horrific personal tragedy. It has not been made public yet, but is heartbreaking. The 49ers community will really need to rally around him and his family when the news finally breaks.

There are more important things in life than football, for sure.

Wow. Where did this come from?

I'm going to assume Goodwin.

Yeah but that's already been put out there. Seems odd to just throw this out there and not really say anything more. Might as well just let it come out when it comes out imo

Well it is the Team Information thread.

But it's like breaking a story but not breaking a story. If it's a personal matter where the players name can't be mentioned, it should probably be something that comes out when the time is right . Just my 2 cents

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by FL9er:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:

My condolences to a prominent player on the 49ers who is going through a horrific personal tragedy. It has not been made public yet, but is heartbreaking. The 49ers community will really need to rally around him and his family when the news finally breaks.

There are more important things in life than football, for sure.

Wow. Where did this come from?

I'm going to assume Goodwin.

Yeah but that's already been put out there. Seems odd to just throw this out there and not really say anything more. Might as well just let it come out when it comes out imo

Well it is the Team Information thread.

But it's like breaking a story but not breaking a story. If it's a personal matter where the players name can't be mentioned, it should probably be something that comes out when the time is right . Just my 2 cents

MD has connections but respect too. I don't mind. We'll find out soon enough and I appreciate the heads up.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

I think they said they love trey flowers but They doubt Saleh would use him right.

I'd be pretty stoked if we pulled from these clusters.

They did. They think, and I do too, Flowers by far is the most well rounded ER but they didn't feel Saleh would be creative enough to use him as well as NE. Naturally.

I wouldn't say flowers is the most well rounded ER. Just off of the top of my head guys like Lawrence, Graham, Clooney are much more well rounded and better at generating pressure . I'd be leery of throwing big money at a NE guy. Just my personal opinion, but I think he's a bit overrated

I think they are defining him as consistent pressure, sacks, ability in run defense, inside, outside, in variant schemes, drop, roles changing week to week, etc. I agree with their assessment. And yours as he's not the best pure ER.

I guess the variant schemes, but hes not more well rounded than those guys I mentioned imo. they are not only superior pass rushers and they are all better against the run as well. Those guys can do it all off the edge. Clowney (while I think he's a tad overrated as well vs what he will get paid) can play inside as well and play multiple schemes. In terms of well rounded edge guys, flowers is probably at 4-5 right after those guys. Interested to see how he plays if he leaves NE

Oscar/David were really against Clowney while recognizing he'd still be our best pass rusher by far. LOL

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

I think they said they love trey flowers but They doubt Saleh would use him right.

I'd be pretty stoked if we pulled from these clusters.

They did. They think, and I do too, Flowers by far is the most well rounded ER but they didn't feel Saleh would be creative enough to use him as well as NE. Naturally.

I wouldn't say flowers is the most well rounded ER. Just off of the top of my head guys like Lawrence, Graham, Clooney are much more well rounded and better at generating pressure . I'd be leery of throwing big money at a NE guy. Just my personal opinion, but I think he's a bit overrated

I think they are defining him as consistent pressure, sacks, ability in run defense, inside, outside, in variant schemes, drop, roles changing week to week, etc. I agree with their assessment. And yours as he's not the best pure ER.

I guess the variant schemes, but hes not more well rounded than those guys I mentioned imo. they are not only superior pass rushers and they are all better against the run as well. Those guys can do it all off the edge. Clowney (while I think he's a tad overrated as well vs what he will get paid) can play inside as well and play multiple schemes. In terms of well rounded edge guys, flowers is probably at 4-5 right after those guys. Interested to see how he plays if he leaves NE

Oscar/David were really against Clowney while recognizing he'd still be our best pass rusher by far. LOL

Ha. I think that's how most of us feel. He's a bit overrated, has some injury concerns and will get massively overpaid...but we'd probably be thrilled to have him.
You see McGinest doesn't even have Flowers in his top 10 for ERs? Ouch coming from a Patriots great

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by philosoraptor:

I think they said they love trey flowers but They doubt Saleh would use him right.

I'd be pretty stoked if we pulled from these clusters.

They did. They think, and I do too, Flowers by far is the most well rounded ER but they didn't feel Saleh would be creative enough to use him as well as NE. Naturally.

I wouldn't say flowers is the most well rounded ER. Just off of the top of my head guys like Lawrence, Graham, Clooney are much more well rounded and better at generating pressure . I'd be leery of throwing big money at a NE guy. Just my personal opinion, but I think he's a bit overrated

I think they are defining him as consistent pressure, sacks, ability in run defense, inside, outside, in variant schemes, drop, roles changing week to week, etc. I agree with their assessment. And yours as he's not the best pure ER.

I guess the variant schemes, but hes not more well rounded than those guys I mentioned imo. they are not only superior pass rushers and they are all better against the run as well. Those guys can do it all off the edge. Clowney (while I think he's a tad overrated as well vs what he will get paid) can play inside as well and play multiple schemes. In terms of well rounded edge guys, flowers is probably at 4-5 right after those guys. Interested to see how he plays if he leaves NE

Oscar/David were really against Clowney while recognizing he'd still be our best pass rusher by far. LOL

Ha. I think that's how most of us feel. He's a bit overrated, has some injury concerns and will get massively overpaid...but we'd probably be thrilled to have him.
You see McGinest doesn't even have Flowers in his top 10 for ERs? Ouch coming from a Patriots great

Really? That's very interesting. The guy played terrific esp. in the playoffs.

Plus, we have to pay extra attention this year with Kocurek on board. Saleh may want another BE body playing LEO but KK likes wide 9's so he might be looking at much smaller bodies flying off the edges...closer to Cassius Marsh vs. Trey Flowers.

I have no idea what we're going to do there.

Originally posted by FL9er:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by MadDog49er:
My condolences to a prominent player on the 49ers who is going through a horrific personal tragedy. It has not been made public yet, but is heartbreaking. The 49ers community will really need to rally around him and his family when the news finally breaks.

There are more important things in life than football, for sure.

Wow. Where did this come from?

I'm going to assume Goodwin.

Not Goodwin.

Seems a bit unfair to drop a cryptic post like I did (my apologies to who it offends), but there is so much behind the scenes that affect players before they line up on the chalk. These off the field issues can also dramatically impact their performance on the field. I hope that this is not the case.

Just a question, to no one in particular. In his 3rd yr should JL and kyle want to have Saleh in the draft room or on the work board, helping with input as to who they want? I'm sure they want his input, but what about Joe W and Kocurek,? Use their input or just have JL get the players and the Kocurek and Joe W have to coach them? I mean they are here just af short while, weeks, and they are making requests for certain players?

Am asking out of ignorance, here. Is it kosher to have position coaches ask for certain players, particularly if they have coached them in the past or have followed them? How exactly does this work with kyle and John?

As for saleh, i assume he is giving input as to what he needs? Or is he part of the draft team also? 1st yr DC...no real experience, i can see why not. 2nd yr DC, maybe not. 3rd yr DC? Anyone have an idea how this will go for FA and draft?

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Ha. I think that's how most of us feel. He's a bit overrated, has some injury concerns and will get massively overpaid...but we'd probably be thrilled to have him.
You see McGinest doesn't even have Flowers in his top 10 for ERs? Ouch coming from a Patriots great

He didn't have Bosa either, but did put Q Williams and J Allen in there though. A bit interesting.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

As for saleh, i assume he is giving input as to what he needs? Or is he part of the draft team also? 1st yr DC...no real experience, i can see why not. 2nd yr DC, maybe not. 3rd yr DC? Anyone have an idea how this will go for FA and draft?

It's already been noted all of these coaches including position coaches have input into player acquisitions. They watch film just like Kyle on players and put forth their recommendations and ideas. For free agency, they watch film but most provide recommendations with regards to scheme fit and familiarity and importance. That's why do many have direct connections through the Seattle and Jacksonville pipeline. A long list of them.

Coaches were all required to ID specific traits and skill sets specific to scheme fit and needs. This list was given to Lynch and the pro personnel department so the scouts and analysts could start targeting and building player pools.

No doubt Saleh and Lynch had a plan for Thomas and Foster and every other draft pick and UDFA.

LOL. Rich get richer.

Do more in 2019.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Do more in 2019.

The #49ers pick up their expected sixth-round compensatory draft pick at No. 212 overall due to net 2018 free agent loss.

Losses: Brandon Fusco, Leon Hall, Carlos Hyde, Aaron Lynch, Logan Paulsen. Gains: Jerick McKinnon, Weston Richburg.

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) February 22, 2019

Agreed

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Do more in 2019.

The #49ers pick up their expected sixth-round compensatory draft pick at No. 212 overall due to net 2018 free agent loss.

Losses: Brandon Fusco, Leon Hall, Carlos Hyde, Aaron Lynch, Logan Paulsen. Gains: Jerick McKinnon, Weston Richburg.

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) February 22, 2019

Agreed

We also gained Richard Sherman - by far the biggest FA addition, and Mike Person.

That's why we only got one late round compensatory pick. So we added 4 starters last year, not two.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by tohara3:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Do more in 2019.

The #49ers pick up their expected sixth-round compensatory draft pick at No. 212 overall due to net 2018 free agent loss.

Losses: Brandon Fusco, Leon Hall, Carlos Hyde, Aaron Lynch, Logan Paulsen. Gains: Jerick McKinnon, Weston Richburg.

— Matt Maiocco (@MaioccoNBCS) February 22, 2019

Agreed

We also gained Richard Sherman - by far the biggest FA addition, and Mike Person.

That's why we only got one late round compensatory pick. So we added 4 starters last year, not two.

And technically we did sign 2 others, but we cut them, Attaochu and Cooper.

Person didn't count of course cause he was a minimum salary guy, and Sherman didn't count as he was cut.

Also NC, Shon Coleman's contract escalated to $2M, now counts $2.02M against the cap, this is due to the PPE(Proven Performance Escalator) clause, even though he played zero snaps with us, he qualified by playing 35% or more with the Browns in both years.