"Scheme Fit" vs. Football Players

Originally posted by Chike_Okeafor:
Kaep fits this playaction system of Kyle. It's just that Kyle doesn't want to be shown up by Kaep.

his name is written like Kap*

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
IMO, Kyle is insecure and only wants certain personality types on his team. He's afraid of losing control of the locker room, because of players with strong personalities. I don't mean strong as in disruptive, I just mean guys that might demand respect. That's why I think he got rid of Harold, Reid and wouldnt bring in Kap even if that mean fielding a team without a qb. Personally, I feel like he even took a jab at Kap today.

LOL

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Giedi:
What worries me more is the fact that we're not finding more undrafted talent for the defense. I think that goes to coaching and player development. Good coaches can develop talent in the players they coach. Solomon hasn't developed as expected, and neither has Pita. There's a lot of variables that go into coaching, but I think the biggest is inexperience.

generally speaking, you get scheme fits for offense, and talent for defense. But guess what, our defense f**king sucks even with a bunch of 1st and 2nd round picks. And a lot of those guys that they decided to keep around anyway like Ward, Armstead, Tartt, so the Baalke excuses don't really work either.

Nowhere else to point your fingers at besides Saleh, pretty much. The tackling and execution needs to get better, otherwise he should be let go. I'm okay with switching to another scheme.

49ers have talent on defense, they just need to add one or two more key players. The problem or question has always been with Saleh.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by Giedi:

What worries me more is the fact that we're not finding more undrafted talent for the defense. I think that goes to coaching and player development. Good coaches can develop talent in the players they coach. Solomon hasn't developed as expected, and neither has Pita. There's a lot of variables that go into coaching, but I think the biggest is inexperience.

generally speaking, you get scheme fits for offense, and talent for defense. But guess what, our defense f**king sucks even with a bunch of 1st and 2nd round picks. And a lot of those guys that they decided to keep around anyway like Ward, Armstead, Tartt, so the Baalke excuses don't really work either.

Nowhere else to point your fingers at besides Saleh, pretty much. The tackling and execution needs to get better, otherwise he should be let go. I'm okay with switching to another scheme.

49ers have talent on defense, they just need to add one or two more key players. The problem or question has always been with Saleh.

Kolohe, that's exactly what t thot preseason, and before with FA and draft. But now i look and here are the questions:

1. We have 8 top flite DLs, but all interiors... no outside guys. Realistically we need 2 Edges. It would be hard not to agree here...+ 2 ERs

2. LBs...we have two studs, and i mean STUDS. Then there is what's his face....and i dont really know who. need 1 starter.......... +1 LB

3. DBs....start of last yr, nothing but disappointment. Then AC and Akhiello, and more sadness. Midpoint season comes and both guys catch fire. We start this yr and holy smokes, these guys look like last yr at this time. They regressed. Is that even possible. We got one All pro DB, but Sherm? I said at the outset , "let's wait and see"...thinking of his recent Achilles surgery. So really we got two newcomers who became starters last half of 2017. But now, WTF happened? Where did those guys go. I will admit they were starters last half of 2017 , one a 7th rounder. But did they revert to pre midseason last yr?
Don't know how to rate this but being generous, say they both can be brot back to last half of 2017. Ok, but we still need two more DBs.
Worse case scenario both AC and Spoon revert to what they were and we need 4 DBs. We'll go with 2 starters, tho.....................................+2 DBs

Add that all up and it looks like at best we need 5 starters and worst case is 7 starters. That sure is a lot more than needing 1 or 2 starters, which is what i thot way back in PS days. You agree...or no?

I say football players cause I think a good player can fit in any scheme.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I say football players cause I think a good player can fit in any scheme.

Are you going to run outside press man with a 5'9" 185 pound CB? Zone blocking with a 350 pound guard? Vertical passing offense with a QB with a slightly below average arm?



You obviously want good players but you want players who are fully compatible with what you want them to do also.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I say football players cause I think a good player can fit in any scheme.

Are you going to run outside press man with a 5'9" 185 pound CB? Zone blocking with a 350 pound guard? Vertical passing offense with a QB with a slightly below average arm?



You obviously want good players but you want players who are fully compatible with what you want them to do also.

Well said...and that is where Kyle's scheme fit is having troubles. Having AA or Blair or Day cover a TE? Ummm...not so good. But there are plenty of other examples.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

I say football players cause I think a good player can fit in any scheme.

Are you going to run outside press man with a 5'9" 185 pound CB? Zone blocking with a 350 pound guard? Vertical passing offense with a QB with a slightly below average arm?



You obviously want good players but you want players who are fully compatible with what you want them to do also.

Well put. Well other than the cornerback part. Cause you know Jaire Alexander can play anywhere anytime.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Well put. Well other than the cornerback part. Cause you know Jaire Alexander can play anywhere anytime.

Kap can play action and throw on the run with the best of them. Its a dam shame we are not even trying to get him, especially because California and SF would accept him.

Former Steelers quarterback Landry Jones is coming in for a visit.

yeah he "fits" Kyle's scheme right?

Straight BS.

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

generally speaking, you get scheme fits for offense, and talent for defense. But guess what, our defense f**king sucks even with a bunch of 1st and 2nd round picks. And a lot of those guys that they decided to keep around anyway like Ward, Armstead, Tartt, so the Baalke excuses don't really work either.

Nowhere else to point your fingers at besides Saleh, pretty much. The tackling and execution needs to get better, otherwise he should be let go. I'm okay with switching to another scheme.

Saleh's a newbie DC, so he's an obvious target as to why the defense isn't doing well. Not defending him, but injuries didn't help. When your offense can't ball control it hurts the defense.

What I will say is that I'm disappointed in the fact that Saleh doesn't seem to have that knack that a good defensive coach has in finding and developing players. Fangio found and developed Bowman, Aldon Smith, and Ian Williams and Demarcus Dobbs. I haven't really seen Saleh do much on that aspect of the defense. I think a big part of it is inexperience.

People really pushing for Kaep 🤦‍♂️. Would be such a bad move on multiple levels lol.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:
generally speaking, you get scheme fits for offense, and talent for defense. But guess what, our defense f**king sucks even with a bunch of 1st and 2nd round picks. And a lot of those guys that they decided to keep around anyway like Ward, Armstead, Tartt, so the Baalke excuses don't really work either.

Nowhere else to point your fingers at besides Saleh, pretty much. The tackling and execution needs to get better, otherwise he should be let go. I'm okay with switching to another scheme.

Saleh's a newbie DC, so he's an obvious target as to why the defense isn't doing well. Not defending him, but injuries didn't help. When your offense can't ball control it hurts the defense.

What I will say is that I'm disappointed in the fact that Saleh doesn't seem to have that knack that a good defensive coach has in finding and developing players. Fangio found and developed Bowman, Aldon Smith, and Ian Williams and Demarcus Dobbs. I haven't really seen Saleh do much on that aspect of the defense. I think a big part of it is inexperience.

I wouldn't put it on the DC per se to be the guy who develops the talent. He's supposed to game plan and figure out the best way to use that talent and put them in a position to get the most out of them I'd say the position coaches are more critical to a player's development. Tomsula should be credited with developing a ton of guys. Saleh being young and inexperienced probably hasn't surrounded himself with a top staff of position coaches to help develop guys. At the same token we do have to give him some time. Bowman and Aldon were just special players. I think those two and Willis would have been successful anywhere. But I get your point. And it's on Kyle to really lock in and see who is and isn't developing and root out the players and coaches who are doing a poor job. Again I wonder how much control does Saleh have. It's been reported that with the Rams McVay is pretty much hands off of the defense. I'm wondering if Kyle is that hands off? If so that means we are letting Saleh make too many important decisions. And that could be causing some of his failure. If that's the case nobody to blame for that but Kyle and Lynch

Originally posted by lamontb:
I wouldn't put it on the DC per se to be the guy who develops the talent. He's supposed to game plan and figure out the best way to use that talent and put them in a position to get the most out of them I'd say the position coaches are more critical to a player's development. Tomsula should be credited with developing a ton of guys. Saleh being young and inexperienced probably hasn't surrounded himself with a top staff of position coaches to help develop guys. At the same token we do have to give him some time. Bowman and Aldon were just special players. I think those two and Willis would have been successful anywhere. But I get your point. And it's on Kyle to really lock in and see who is and isn't developing and root out the players and coaches who are doing a poor job. Again I wonder how much control does Saleh have. It's been reported that with the Rams McVay is pretty much hands off of the defense. I'm wondering if Kyle is that hands off? If so that means we are letting Saleh make too many important decisions. And that could be causing some of his failure. If that's the case nobody to blame for that but Kyle and Lynch

Kyle is the one who didn't want to do live tackling drills in the offseason and practices, so he is not totally blameless here either.