Get Real

Originally posted by RabidNiner:
Back in 1849, I had that gleam in my eyes like you newbies. After a century and a half of following this team, I'm the only one who can truly realize that we are not ready.

i hope you didn't fight for the South

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Not a good comparison because so much is different... but try this. GOAT BW's first yr , 2-14 . Kyle's was 1-10 Right until JG broke in and ran 5 straight, ending up 6-10. BW's second yr wth joe at helm full time was 6-10 and we knew we had our FR QB...finally. JimmyG's second yr is just around the corner and we know we have our FR QB.

BEst comparison i could make is BW.s 3rd yr and Kyle's 2nd yr. Both coming off of 6-10 seasons, both with FR QB, who had some time to learn the O. Can't recall the D that well but know we had ERic wright, Carlton Williamson, and our HOFer with only half his pinky(Ronnie Lott). We had the million $$ D Backfield ,probably our best ever, Now we have the deepest and one of best DLs we have had, but no ER, and a young guy in Saleh vs Geo Seifert, a GOAT in his own right as DC. Now, as then we have youth in DBs, but nothing like the DBs of the early 80s. Adrian C, Spoon, & Richard Sherman mixes youth and all pro (altho post Achilles repair). 80s were way better in DBackfield. We have several new DBs who show promise. LBs, Foster is a phenom, but staying healthy is a problem for him. WArner is bound to be an all pro someday soon. Dekoda Watson an up and comer, Smith , Coyle., very capable.

DL now is truly good, but hasn't gelled as of yet. With soon to be all pro Buckner, same for Solomon, Day, DJ, Mitch, all rate high and if AA can stay healthy, we have a great inside passrush, but no ER. We surely have depth. Scheme from Saleh will mean a lot here. He needs to be creative.
DL from the 80s...mmm, i draw blanks there.

OL...now...suddenly looks excellent after having no starting OGs just 3 weeks ago. Now we have 5 starting interior OLs, and a sixth ,either Person or Garnett sitting on the bench...but also a starter. Back then our OL went from so so to excellent by season's end. Probably even Steven in comparison.

RBs...Alfred Morris a late add but add in with Jet and Breida/Mostert...probably equates to RBs of early 80s.

WRs...now we have 4-5 excellent WRs, and then.... we had several good ones but i don't believe Jerry got going til a couple yrs later.

FB/OW. Au Jus had some solid competition back then...tie

STs...BW always seemed to have good STs, but now with Pettis, advantage to kyle's STs. FAST and lots of talent.

So put it all together, and we might have a team to rival BWs 3rd yr team that won it all . BW went 2-14, 6-10 and then SB. Cannot remember who the ER was BW's 3rd yr , or if he had one. We surely have none in kyle's 2nd yr. With a really good ER, i could see this be a SB yr. But without, then we probably need one more yr to get to and win the SB.

HC's/OC...both then and now, the best in the business. And that is what makes the comparison so interesting. Essentially, if we had an ER, I could see us being a threat to win it all this yr. But for a team that has been completely rebuilt in last 18 months...a staggering job...i think we just don't have quite enough D firepower.

Comparatively, however, i think these two teams look strikingly similar.

We had an excellent D-line in '81. Jim Stuckey, Lawrence Pillars, (I'm missing one), then Fred Dean during the season. D-line hadn't been a problem; LBs and the secondary had been the worst in the league. Only 2 players survived Walsh's massacre of LBs, S, and CB to '81- Bobby Leopold was one.

1849? WTF

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

We had an excellent D-line in '81. Jim Stuckey, Lawrence Pillars, (I'm missing one), then Fred Dean during the season. D-line hadn't been a problem; LBs and the secondary had been the worst in the league. Only 2 players survived Walsh's massacre of LBs, S, and CB to '81- Bobby Leopold was one.

Thx Firefly, it slowly comes back. Couldn't remember when exactly Fred Dean showed up, and just drew a blank on the rest of DL.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
We had an excellent D-line in '81. Jim Stuckey, Lawrence Pillars, (I'm missing one), then Fred Dean during the season. D-line hadn't been a problem; LBs and the secondary had been the worst in the league. Only 2 players survived Walsh's massacre of LBs, S, and CB to '81- Bobby Leopold was one.

Thx Firefly, it slowly comes back. Couldn't remember when exactly Fred Dean showed up, and just drew a blank on the rest of DL.

Game 4? I think the Niners were 1-2 and looked a lot like '80. Then Dean showed up and they went 15-1. He was the straw that stirred the drink.

Originally posted by lamontb:
1849? WTF

LOL

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

We had an excellent D-line in '81. Jim Stuckey, Lawrence Pillars, (I'm missing one), then Fred Dean during the season. D-line hadn't been a problem; LBs and the secondary had been the worst in the league. Only 2 players survived Walsh's massacre of LBs, S, and CB to '81- Bobby Leopold was one.

Thx Firefly, it slowly comes back. Couldn't remember when exactly Fred Dean showed up, and just drew a blank on the rest of DL.

Game 4? I think the Niners were 1-2 and looked a lot like '80. Then Dean showed up and they went 15-1. He was the straw that stirred the drink.

Hats off to you, man, you have a lot better memory than I. But yes, now i recall Dean coming in...and that was it. The straw ....thx.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
We had an excellent D-line in '81. Jim Stuckey, Lawrence Pillars, (I'm missing one), then Fred Dean during the season. D-line hadn't been a problem; LBs and the secondary had been the worst in the league. Only 2 players survived Walsh's massacre of LBs, S, and CB to '81- Bobby Leopold was one.

Thx Firefly, it slowly comes back. Couldn't remember when exactly Fred Dean showed up, and just drew a blank on the rest of DL.

Game 4? I think the Niners were 1-2 and looked a lot like '80. Then Dean showed up and they went 15-1. He was the straw that stirred the drink.

A lot of Faithful got rich that season betting Niners each week. Vegas did not believe the Niners were real, even towards the end. The Chron wrote an article eventually on the new rich. It really was a surreal season.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:
We had an excellent D-line in '81. Jim Stuckey, Lawrence Pillars, (I'm missing one), then Fred Dean during the season. D-line hadn't been a problem; LBs and the secondary had been the worst in the league. Only 2 players survived Walsh's massacre of LBs, S, and CB to '81- Bobby Leopold was one.

Thx Firefly, it slowly comes back. Couldn't remember when exactly Fred Dean showed up, and just drew a blank on the rest of DL.

Game 4? I think the Niners were 1-2 and looked a lot like '80. Then Dean showed up and they went 15-1. He was the straw that stirred the drink.

Hats off to you, man, you have a lot better memory than I. But yes, now i recall Dean coming in...and that was it. The straw ....thx.

You're welcome - usually I'm reading your posts and learning.

Originally posted by RabidNiner:

Back in 1849, I had that gleam in my eyes like you newbies. After a century and a half of following this team, I'm the only one who can truly realize that we are not ready.

OG 49er. Mad respect!

Real? A tapping of breaks?
Bears: We got 5 field goals, no TDs.
Titans: Mariota threw 3 ints, Walker lost a fumble and dropped a TD pass. Niners won in finals seconds
Houston: Won one game after losing Watson at midseason.
Jaguars: They'd earned a playoff spot the week before and knew they'd won the division early in the game.
Rams: Lambs played nobody good. Mannion at qb, first start in NFL

But, yeah, winning is good. Go Niners. 19-0.

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Real? A tapping of breaks?
Bears: We got 5 field goals, no TDs.
Titans: Mariota threw 3 ints, Walker lost a fumble and dropped a TD pass. Niners won in finals seconds
Houston: Won one game after losing Watson at midseason.
Jaguars: They'd earned a playoff spot the week before and knew they'd won the division early in the game.
Rams: Lambs played nobody good. Mannion at qb, first start in NFL

But, yeah, winning is good. Go Niners. 19-0.

Jags: Were #2 AFC seed, and could clinch with a win and a win over Titans.
Rams: We were driving for winning score when phantom OPI sank us.
Titans: Who caused all those turnovers?

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

We had an excellent D-line in '81. Jim Stuckey, Lawrence Pillars, (I'm missing one), then Fred Dean during the season. D-line hadn't been a problem; LBs and the secondary had been the worst in the league. Only 2 players survived Walsh's massacre of LBs, S, and CB to '81- Bobby Leopold was one.

Thx Firefly, it slowly comes back. Couldn't remember when exactly Fred Dean showed up, and just drew a blank on the rest of DL.

Game 4? I think the Niners were 1-2 and looked a lot like '80. Then Dean showed up and they went 15-1. He was the straw that stirred the drink.

Hats off to you, man, you have a lot better memory than I. But yes, now i recall Dean coming in...and that was it. The straw ....thx.

You're welcome - usually I'm reading your posts and learning.

Well, this also reinforces why i think we are still an ER and a yr away....And when Dean showed up, that was it. Kinda unlikely that is about to happen again.. Lordy we have had some incredible luck, but a lot of really good work, also, on part of Kyle and john L. I guess the only thing that would be a "murcal" would be if suddenly Gruden gets hacked off, and sends Khalil across the bridge. I don't even remotely see that , however. And no, we are not trading DeFo for Khalil. That never made sense.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:

Real? A tapping of breaks?
Bears: We got 5 field goals, no TDs.
Titans: Mariota threw 3 ints, Walker lost a fumble and dropped a TD pass. Niners won in finals seconds
Houston: Won one game after losing Watson at midseason.
Jaguars: They'd earned a playoff spot the week before and knew they'd won the division early in the game.
Rams: Lambs played nobody good. Mannion at qb, first start in NFL

But, yeah, winning is good. Go Niners. 19-0.

Jags: Were #2 AFC seed, and could clinch with a win and a win over Titans.
Rams: We were driving for winning score when phantom OPI sank us.
Titans: Who caused all those turnovers?

Winning is winning. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. You can make excusing about the first nine games niners lost for mistakes as Well.. foolio

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