Anyone else salty on the draft?

Originally posted by GMniner805:
Regardless of the outcomes the draft is Christmas.

This. ALWAYS have really liked the draft and it can't get here soon enough! I thought last year's draft by the new regime was very good and I feel they added some very good talent that will continue to show itself (and get better) for years to come. Really hoping this year's draft goes well...I have faith in Lynch, Shanahan, Peters, etc., and am looking forward to seeing what they do a week from tomorrow.

Not salty it's just the way it goes.

The draft is the ultimate crapshoot in any sports that have it.

Of course having baalke and his fetish for long arms and acls didn't help.

we seem to always have issues with running backs. coffee marcus. james. davis. who knows with williams. fine hyde was decent. hunter was excellent but man.. same with top picks on wide outs. we seem to do better with wide outs on day three

Originally posted by GMniner805:

Regardless of the outcomes the draft is Christmas.

This. I love the draft and been following it for a long time

Look at the successes we did get Taylor, the next Wes Welker, kiddle the next Gronk, and Colbert. J Williams yet to be determined and even Beathard was a good solid pick, and we need to take a patient approach with Thomas.

This year I feel we are getting a top 5 talent thanks to all the qb's in the draft.

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:
jonnydel -

I dont disagree.. I guess I just take all this research and drooling over guys with a grain of salt. It seems like a total crap shoot and the Niners have the cold hand rolling snake eyes.

For sure. There's a ton put out there to make money in a dry season for media that have to make a living year round off of a half year sport. Why else does Daniel Jeremiah do 4 mock drafts? LOL. Then, we as fans will eat a lot of it up and play armchair GM thinking we'll know who the next great player is.

Yet, at the same point, the draft is the single most important event for any NFL team outside of games that mean something - even then. Because, if you fail at the draft, you won't be getting to the playoffs or the SB. For me, it's love hate. When it goes well, like last year, you have hope, you have something amazing. When you bomb it(which usually takes a while to know for sure) it sets you back not just a few weeks, but years....

It's both the source of your greatest victories and defeats.

How was Kaepernick and Reid busts? Kaep led us to the Super Bowl then was ruined when they tried to make him a pocket passer, and Reid was a pro bowler and wouldn't mind him back on the team. I know Kaep is a different story but I don't see how Reid's protest is any kind of issue?

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

I know we have a lot of draftniks around here, and I appreciate that. However, the last several years have really salted me on the value of the draft. Every year we get all worked up over these young kids coming out of college. We line them up, size them up and analysis them every which way to Sunday. And then the draft. Shortly there after, reality sets in. Withing a small window, it becomes painfully obvious that we didn't just draft the next Jerry Rice, Deion Sanders or Ronnie Lott. Moreover, we likely didn't even draft a pro bowl player, let alone a All Pro. Even when we do, the Niners have an incredible knack for drafting players with psychological issues, the injury bug or some other weird hang up. Below is a list of all the promising talent we've lost and or waited for over the years due to unforeseen and possibly undetectable issues.

Aldon Smith - addict
Chris Borland - CTE
Reuben Foster - DV
Eric Reid - protests
Colin Kapernick - protests
Arik Armstead - pillow soft
Jimmy Ward - Health issues

The point of the list above isn't to call out our drafting or the GM, but rather to acknowledge our drafts in the early rounds and how they've been such a huge let down. So while I plan to watch the 1st and 2nd rounds of the draft this year, my expectations of drafting a game changing player is pretty low. That's why I've been a little disengaged this year.

There's got to be a lesson in here somewhere, and maybe it has to do with our higher draft picks Rd 1 or 2. Not sure about ward or Reid but thot they were higher picks. The message with Reuben is:

if you see a flag, ok. Acknowledge it. I

If you see 2 flags , ask yourself "do you really want this kid?"

IIf you see 3 flags, then you probably are on the wrong track.

If you go back and look at his film and it says, "take him"....ok, now yo should realize you are in trouble. If you take him, it better not be high. Make it end of 5th or 6th.

If he goes undrafted towards end of first and you say, damn this kid is just too good to pass on, and you get ready to pull the trigger, reread the previous sentence.

Oops, it went off in your hand before you could throw that grenade...now you are truly fkcued. Shoulda waited til the end of 5th or 6th.
But he'd be gone by then, you say.

Yup...and then where would we be?

Well, one effing lot better off than we are now.

Originally posted by dirtyrottenscoundrel:

How was Kaepernick and Reid busts? Kaep led us to the Super Bowl then was ruined when they tried to make him a pocket passer, and Reid was a pro bowler and wouldn't mind him back on the team. I know Kaep is a different story but I don't see how Reid's protest is any kind of issue?

I'm not calling them busts. But let's not pretend the protesting hasn't hasn't effected their careers and by extension, us.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:

There's got to be a lesson in here somewhere, and maybe it has to do with our higher draft picks Rd 1 or 2. Not sure about ward or Reid but thot they were higher picks. The message with Reuben is:

if you see a flag, ok. Acknowledge it. I

If you see 2 flags , ask yourself "do you really want this kid?"

IIf you see 3 flags, then you probably are on the wrong track.

If you go back and look at his film and it says, "take him"....ok, now yo should realize you are in trouble. If you take him, it better not be high. Make it end of 5th or 6th.

If he goes undrafted towards end of first and you say, damn this kid is just too good to pass on, and you get ready to pull the trigger, reread the previous sentence.

Oops, it went off in your hand before you could throw that grenade...now you are truly fkcued. Shoulda waited til the end of 5th or 6th.
But he'd be gone by then, you say.

Yup...and then where would we be?

Well, one effing lot better off than we are now.

So goes the push and pull of talent vs character, production vs potential. In a perfect world every draft prospect is as clean as Willis and every acl pick turns into Gore.

I love draft time. I get to learn stuff and not do any work since all the draftniks do all the legwork. The draft always has an element of luck. That's why some all pros make into round 5/6/7/udfa.

Originally posted by cciowa:
we seem to always have issues with running backs. coffee marcus. james. davis. who knows with williams. fine hyde was decent. hunter was excellent but man.. same with top picks on wide outs. we seem to do better with wide outs on day three

Just messin' with you CC … but what about Frank ;D

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

So goes the push and pull of talent vs character, production vs potential. In a perfect world every draft prospect is as clean as Willis and every acl pick turns into Gore.

Well,, the others seem to have one thing in common but not kap....and that is health. Ok, nobody was going to figure out Borland. But the others...did they have any signs of health issues? I know Frank did, but did we miss health issues on the others?

Originally posted by Oakland-Niner:

I'm not calling them busts. But let's not pretend the protesting hasn't hasn't effected their careers and by extension, us.

The only reason we haven't resigned Reid is we are deep at his position and he's the elder of the bunch, also the market for safties has been none existent, but I believe he will be signed by someone. Karl's career was ruined by ownership and Balke hiring coaches with no business being head coaches, he'll Chip didn't even run the offense he had in the past. Kaep wasn't even that good before the protest, but yes, he doesn't have a job because of the protest and if he was still that qb that led us to a SB the protest would've been merely a blip.