2018 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Staley has only committed to one more year of playing. We need to spend that 2nd rounder on a LT or a prospect we think will become a good tackle or a free agent, but I suspect getting a good FA LT will be as hard as getting a good Edge.

I thought we brought Shon Coleman into try to develop as a tackle to take over at right tackle & slide McGlinchey to left tackle when Staley is done

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Ninefan56:

Originally posted by NCommand:
You know me too well.

I take it you are not a Rashan Gary fan? Who are your favorites for this years draft, or is this too early to know at this time?

Haha...he's just not 'my' type of ER. But he's a good player.

The experts are all in the Draft forum...we've got some epic ones in there. Just ask and they will respond. I'm more of a pro personnel guy over draft guru. I lean on those draft guys a lot.

Well, #1 pick is still possible, would love Bosa, but at 2 I'd take Josh Allen for sure, dynamic edge rusher.

This for sure.

That's been my guy all along. Really think something has to said about a guy that can be that dominant on a UK defense in the SEC. Kentucky is not like Bama, Michigan, or Ohio state where there are very good to great players all over the roster. Allen got all the attention from opposing teams playing against the Kentucky defense, and they still had major problems stopping him. The guy is a phenom.

Not exactly sure where to put this, but let's say we get a Leo, say Josh Allen, and another edge in FA. Where does Solomon Thomas play in base?

I guess the competition will be at Big End with Thomas, Armstead possibly, Street, Taylor, Blair... kinda crazy how many guys we have that could play that spot.

Then is it for sure we play a NT next to Buckner in the middle, and our new Leo at Leo? Is there any way we'd play Thomas and Buckner as our two DTs in base, is I guess my question?

Originally posted by 91til:

Not exactly sure where to put this, but let's say we get a Leo, say Josh Allen, and another edge in FA. Where does Solomon Thomas play in base?

I guess the competition will be at Big End with Thomas, Armstead possibly, Street, Taylor, Blair... kinda crazy how many guys we have that could play that spot.

Then is it for sure we play a NT next to Buckner in the middle, and our new Leo at Leo? Is there any way we'd play Thomas and Buckner as our two DTs in base, is I guess my question?

This is the $10K question right here.

We just don't know for a variety of reasons but it starts with Saleh. Will he be here? If so, what is his real philosophy for edge? Does he like to have a bigger body on both edges (Thomas/AA/Nzeocha) for base downs and split with smaller nickel ER's (Dumervil and Marsh) or would he prefer an every down BE and LEO who are equally effective against the run or pass (Bennett/Bosa)? He came from Jacksonville where bigger is better across the DL but was raised in Seattle where their LEO's are 250 pounds. We just don't know what Saleh really wants.

We have some hints. Even after Thomas has had more success inside, he still seems hellbent on keeping him in the same exact role (LEO for base, 3T for nickel). He could have Marsh as an every down LEO in the Seattle mold but doesn't for fear of sacrificing run defense. He could have Thomas inside every snap next to Buckner but doesn't. He keeps AA at BE almost every down. He said he sees Red Bryant in AA.

All of this is to say, if I had to take an educated guess, I'd say Saleh likes bigger lineups and splitting roles between base/nickel and player skill sets.

If we get his prototype in Nick Bosa, then he'd be more inclined to move Thomas inside more permanently because Bosa is great against the run and pass: AA - Buckner - Thomas - Bosa

If he misses out on Bosa and goes with Polite/Allen, I could envision the same split role at LEO like with Thomas/Marsh now.

Sign Earl Thomas.

Oh Hero/Phoenix...

...more big receivers. He's tired of all his fragile receivers. j/k

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 91til:

Not exactly sure where to put this, but let's say we get a Leo, say Josh Allen, and another edge in FA. Where does Solomon Thomas play in base?

I guess the competition will be at Big End with Thomas, Armstead possibly, Street, Taylor, Blair... kinda crazy how many guys we have that could play that spot.

Then is it for sure we play a NT next to Buckner in the middle, and our new Leo at Leo? Is there any way we'd play Thomas and Buckner as our two DTs in base, is I guess my question?

This is the $10K question right here.

We just don't know for a variety of reasons but it starts with Saleh. Will he be here? If so, what is his real philosophy for edge? Does he like to have a bigger body on both edges (Thomas/AA/Nzeocha) for base downs and split with smaller nickel ER's (Dumervil and Marsh) or would he prefer an every down BE and LEO who are equally effective against the run or pass (Bennett/Bosa)? He came from Jacksonville where bigger is better across the DL but was raised in Seattle where their LEO's are 250 pounds. We just don't know what Saleh really wants.

We have some hints. Even after Thomas has had more success inside, he still seems hellbent on keeping him in the same exact role (LEO for base, 3T for nickel). He could have Marsh as an every down LEO in the Seattle mold but doesn't for fear of sacrificing run defense. He could have Thomas inside every snap next to Buckner but doesn't. He keeps AA at BE almost every down. He said he sees Red Bryant in AA.

All of this is to say, if I had to take an educated guess, I'd say Saleh likes bigger lineups and splitting roles between base/nickel and player skill sets.

If we get his prototype in Nick Bosa, then he'd be more inclined to move Thomas inside more permanently because Bosa is great against the run and pass: AA - Buckner - Thomas - Bosa

If he misses out on Bosa and goes with Polite/Allen, I could envision the same split role at LEO like with Thomas/Marsh now.

Here's a more basic question...ok, two really:

1) is everyone comfortable that if we keep saleh he really is capable of knowing where to play his individual guys?

2) if saleh remains, he's DC, he should by rights have a large say in who we get and who we don't. Is the majority ok with saleh, with way less experience as DC than most other DCs...advanced enough to know what kind of guy he wants and where...all depending upon who he has where right this very moment? I have doubt about having saleh lobby strongly for one D player over another. With more experience, no i wouldn't worry...but with his precious little experience, do you really want him making calls as to who we need to FA and who to draft?

Somehow, your DC should have huge input as to who he needs and where, and in what order. But honestly, i don't feel comfortable with saleh doing that...and we SHOULD be having our DC hellp out with FA and draft. Will be very interesting when we know if Saleh will be here next. Yr or not. Then if so, do you want him adding his input to what we are lacking on D?

I guess iif i am worried about our DC and his input in FA and draft, then i should be worried about him remaining as DC? Somehow that just doesnt'' sound right. Problem is i really like the guy. But just not as our DC.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Staley has only committed to one more year of playing. We need to spend that 2nd rounder on a LT or a prospect we think will become a good tackle or a free agent, but I suspect getting a good FA LT will be as hard as getting a good Edge.

I am so conflicted here. I know we need that LT in the pipeline, but immediately we need not just AN ER, we need TWO ERs. And we need the two best we can get. Not a perfect world but if so, would take ER at #1 and #2. And we needed that yesterday, Also need 2 LBs, and 3-4 CBs depending on which if any of our young guys make a good showing. That makes that LT pick a problem for me, as to how and when.

Conflict comes up because we need a pretty sure fire LT for the pipeline. Guys like Gilliam and ....welll, you know them all....they just cost money and give us nothing in return. Hence a higher draft OT. Right now I am hoping there is a McG like OT in FA and we pick up our OT there. But if it is a Gilliam type OT, well, save our money. Then i AM conflicted on what to do with that 2nd pick.

Right now, i am thinking of doing the unspoken...burning our #1 next yr. (who should be a much further down the draft list) for an OT or starter ER this yr. Your thots?

My priorities:
ER (draft)
FS (If Thomas)
Center (draft, if Risner is available)
WR (draft)
2nd ER (FA) (injury insurance)
LB (FA)
OT (draft)
CB (FA) (We have enough youngsters at CB)
TE (draft)

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
My priorities:
ER (draft)
FS (If Thomas)
Center (draft, if Risner is available)
WR (draft)
2nd ER (FA) (injury insurance)
LB (FA)
OT (draft)
CB (FA) (We have enough youngsters at CB)
TE (draft)

I agree with everything here except one small thing. There are some pretty good TEs available in free agency this year, Tyler Eifert / Kroft, Luke Wilson, Levine Toilolo, Demetrius Harris and a couple more. I dont think we would spend too much on a backup to Kittle but theres some good young vet talent out there. I've never really been a big fan of Celek, the dude is also getting old so might as well replace his role with a better receiving option.

Originally posted by ForeverYoung8:
Sign Earl Thomas.

sherman should be our gm.. he would sign earl in a new york second and then we would have two good defensive coaches out there

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
My priorities:
ER (draft)
FS (If Thomas)
Center (draft, if Risner is available)
WR (draft)
2nd ER (FA) (injury insurance)
LB (FA)
OT (draft)
CB (FA) (We have enough youngsters at CB)
TE (draft)

Good list, Paul...

I tend to agree in general with it. I actually think the team should trade down from number 2 (assuming a loss to the Rams) if possible, and draft an ER in the first and third rounds (as well as signing a vet ER in FA). This team clearly needs depth at ER in case of injury so they really need to add 3 ERs to their roster this off-season. Getting an OT in the early second might be a good choice as well....depending on how the board plays out. The team needs LB depth badly so that is another option.

Getting a vet FS and vet CB via FA seems almost inevitable. The team is so young in the secondary and needs leadership, although if they sign Thomas, that may take up a good chunk of their cap space. Lots of ways to go about this. A WR would only be a good choice in FA or the draft if they really think he is starter material. The NIners have hit on some late round gems so perhaps they could find a wideout late too. Otherwise, I'd go with ERs, OLmen, and LBs in those first few rounds.

Cheers!

I really like this, esp an ER in FA, same for LB, OT, CB/DB and FS, and try for a #1 WR in FA, but would be delighted with an Eifert in FA....then that #1 WR might just be finessed . Then draft ER first in draft, and again in rd 3. Round 2, if no good prospect OT ,sure trade down . Try and fill as many slots as we can in FA, CB, S, OT, C, LB, ER, WR or TE, and then go for the unfiled needs in draft. But 2 ERs in draft seems absolutely essential, esp in rd 1 thru 3. This implies spending a huge chunk of change in FA. I hope someone keeps Paraag out of the negotiations for who we pick, and leave him to contract alone. He doesnn't need to be part of the F.O telling KS and JL that we can't spend that kind of money.

Not only can we but we have to. This is the time. If the talent is there, now is the time to get it. We still won't fill all our slots and i pray kyle doesm't burn a 2nd on WR. Stay with the D and first O player we take should be the OT. Try hard to fill that in FA, and if not, then draft in first 3 rds.

We will draft Quinnen Williams since interior DT is still a need for this front office. Bosa goes to the Cardinals. In the 2nd round, DK Metcalf


Free Agency, we will pick up Earl and Brandon Graham.

I will give this offseason a 7/10

I'm right with GM and Paul Hofer but a bit different, and huge concentration on lines...also as per GM

FA

ER, best there is

OT, starter

OG starter.

CB starter

S. "

LB. "

#1 WR


DRAFT

ER if Bosa or Q, if not there, then OT (trade down for Jonah)

OT if ER Taken first

ER 2nd tier

OG

CB

S

LB

TE or #1 WR whichever is BPA

After Rams game we are at least 2 yrs in talent behind them. For us to become competitive, we have to have a lot more than an ER LB, DB, And on O, forget the OGs we have, but use both as backups. Need two starters, The OT can play OG next yr, so we could get by with only one OG in draft. As for Center, pray Richburg is healthy or we need a starter there also.

The talent differential went a long way in showcasing just how far out we are. Those two 6 yr contracts of GM and HC will be used to the max before we field a team that has a playoff shot. Today was just a bad reminder that things aren't near as rosy as many fans think. Watching Darnold and his buddy go thru our OGs and C was pathetic. Impressive, but pathetic. And then there is the need for Bosa/Q plus one FA ER and a third ER from either FA or draft.

We are fixed at FR QB and FR QB backup, OW/FB. TE, RBs(altho all 11 of them seem injured), RT, maybe 1 DB, possibly 2, and 1 LB in Warner. WRs we have healthy only TT(and he is rehabbing). Also really good news is that the Jet will be a starter and hopefully Pettis is healed. That fans is a really abbreviated list of solid starters. We are nowhere near where i had thot and hoped we were.

How odd, one of the very hardest parts to the puzzle we have. Just hope we take care of jimmy this yr instead of risking starting over at QB.

Ironclad task for 2019: PROTECT jimmyG.

Unstated is the need for backups at all the above positions, also but we may be fairly well fixed there. Starters, tho...we are barely started.

And we had fans worrying about playing to lose today. Now THAT is a joke. Just isn't funny.