2018 Team Information (Needs)

^ I'd say, factoring in experience in the systems and fit.

Improvement over last year = Arrow Up
Stayed the same = Even
Decline = Arrow Down

QB: Arrow Up
RB: Even
FB: Even
TE: Even
XWR: Arrow Up (depth)
SWR: Arrow Up (depth)
ZWR: Arrow Up
LT: Even
LG: Even
C: Arrow Up
RG: Even
RT: Arrow Up / Even with Trenton Brown

Defensive Personnel:
LDE: Even
NT: Arrow Down (if Mitchell starts)
RDT: Even
LEO: Even
ER: Arrow Down
SAM: Arrow Down (initially)
MIKE: Arrow Up
WILL: Arrow Down (initially)
RCB: Arrow Up
SCB: Even
LCB: Arrow Up
FS: Arrow Up (depth)
SS: Even

Special Teams:
LS: Even
PK: Even
P: Even

Total:
Arrow Up = 10
Arrow Down = 4
Even = 14

Interesting take on the evolution of the team NC!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by longterm9erfan:
Hey AB....forgive me if you have addressed this question before but I'm curious....where do you the team has improved (or gotten worse) in their position groups from last year? If you could give us a very quick assessment perhaps rating the groups "very improved, improved, stayed the same, gotten a little worse, gotten a lot worse", that would be great. I know we aren't even into the regular season yet but what the hell... Cheers!

LT, it depends on how far you want to go back. From our roster this time last year or from the end of last season to today? Here's the end of last year compared to (vs.) now. What do you think?

Starters in Bold / Rookies in Italicized

Keep in mind the injuries.

Offensive Personnel:
QB: Jimmy Garoppolo; C.J. BeatHard vs. Jimmy Garoppolo; C.J. BeatHard
RB: Alfred Morris; Matt Breida & Raheem Mostert vs. Carlos Hyde; Matt Breida & Jeremy McNichols
FB: Kyle Juszczyk vs. Kyle Juszczyk
TE: George Kittle; Garett Celek & Cole Wick vs. George Kittle; Garett Celek & Logan Paulsen
XWR: Marquise Goodwin; Dante Pettis vs. Marquise Goodwin; Max McCaffrey
SWR: Trent Taylor; Richie James vs. Trent Taylor
ZWR: Pierre Garcon; Kendrick Bourne vs. Kendrick Bourne; Aldrick Robinson & Louis Murphy
LT: Joe Staley; Shon Coleman vs. Joe Staley
LG: Laken Tomlinson; Matt Tobin vs. Laken Tomlinson
C: Weston Richburg; Erik Magnuson vs. Daniel Kilgore; Tim Barnes
RG: Mike Person; Joshua Garnett vs. Brandon Fusco
RT: Mike McGlinchey; Garry Gilliam vs. Zane Beadles; Darrell Williams Jr.

Defensive Personnel:
LDE: Arik Armstead; Jullian Taylor & Ronald Blair vs. Tank Carradine; Leger Douzable & Ronald Blair
NT: Earl Mitchell; D.J. Jones vs. Earl Mitchell; D.J. Jones
RDT: DeForest Buckner; Sheldon Day vs. DeForest Buckner; Sheldon Day
LEO: Solomon Thomas vs. Solomon Thomas
ER: Cassius Marsh & Dekoda Watson vs. Cassius Marsh & Elvis Dumervil; Dekoda Watson, Aaron Lynch & Pita Taumoepenu
SAM: Mark Nzeocha vs. Eli Harold
MIKE: Fred Warner; Brock Coyle vs. Brock Coyle; Mark Nzeocha
WILL: Malcolm Smith; Elijah Lee vs. Reuben Foster; Elijah Lee
RCB: Ahkello Witherspoon; Tarvarious Moore vs. Dontae Johnson; Greg Mabin & Tyvis Powell
SCB: K'Waun Williams vs. K'Waun Williams; Leon Hall
LCB: Richard Sherman; Jimmie Ward & Greg Mabin vs. Ahkello Witherspoon; Antone Exum Jr.
FS: Adrian Colbert; D.J. Reed vs. FS: Adrian Colbert
SS: Jaquiski Tartt; Antone Exum vs. Eric Reid; Dexter McCoil

Special Teams:
LS: Kyle Nelson vs. Kyle Nelson
PK: Robbie Gould vs. Robbie Gould
P: Bradley Pinion vs. Bradley Pinion

OK AB... I actually was referring to the roster at this time last year...because injuries, as we all know, are a wild card, and can resolve over time (example: Garcon, M Smith)...

Here is my breakdown...

QB - Improved, mainly because of the fact that JImmy has had an entire off season now to learn the offense and work on his mechanics, particularly on long passes. Very improved compared to the beginning of last year for obvious reasons.
RB - Stayed the same, mainly due to the injury to McK. I do think that the addition of Morris and the experience that Breida has now has brought the position up to the level of last year's. I would put this in the "improved" category were it not for Morris' limitations in the passing / receiving game, even with McK's injury.
WR - Very improved, mainly due to the additions of Pettis and R James.
OT - Improved, because of the new life that Staley has and the improved depth. McG, although still developing in pass pro, appears to be a stud in the run game.
OG - Very improved, mainly due to the familiarity with the offense. Tomlinson, Garnett and Person all have experience in the offense now. Last year, it was a learning process for all involved and the talent was lacking.
C - Very improved. Richburg was Kyle's pick for C, as opposed to Kilgore. Also, the team has much better depth now with both Person and Mags able to play C.
TE - Improved (but only slightly) - Kittle's year in the offense is the main reason for this but it remains to be seen if he can stay on the field.

LDE - Improved. because of the addition of J Taylor
NT - Improved. because of the year of experience for DJ Jones
RDT - Improved. because of the year of experience for both guys. Very improved from the beginning of last year with the addition of Day.
LEO - Improved, because of the year of experience for Thomas
SAM - Stayed the same, because of the fact that Nzeocha is new to a starting position
MIKE - Improved, because Warner does not play like a rookie and Foster actually did at times.
WILL - Stayed the same, if Foster is put in this position from last year because of Lee's experience but just barely. Not a big M Smith fan. Both the MIKE and WILL are improved when both Warner and Foster are on the field together.
RCB - Very improved because D Johnson is no longer with the team
SCB - Improved, mainly due to depth (DJ Reed can play here too)
LCB - Very improved, because of Sherman's addition and better depth overall
FS - Improved, due to better depth and the year in the system for Colbert
SS - Stayed the same / Gotten worse.. Even with the year of experience in the system for Tartt, there is little depth here. Last year, Tartt was backing up Reid.

Special Teams....Very improved in the return game, particularly with regards to depth and slightly worse in the kicking game due to age.

OK....there you have it, AB. Your thoughts, sir?

Cheers!

Originally posted by Giedi:

Interesting take on the evolution of the team NC!

Originally posted by longterm9erfan:

OK AB... I actually was referring to the roster at this time last year

OK, then take the roster I posted above and swap in the players who were on I.R.

DE Ronald Blair (returned Week 9)
DE Tank Carradine (returned Week 11)
WR B.J. Johnson - Waived
CB Will Redmond - Waived
CB Prince Charles Iworah - Waived
WR Aaron Burbridge
G Joshua Garnett
LB Jimmie Gilbert
DB Chanceller James
DT Chris Jones
DB Don Jones
LB Donavin Newsome
LB Malcolm Smith
RB Joe Williams
CB Asa Jackson
DL Arik Armstead
FS Jimmie Ward
ZWR Pierre Garçon
SS Jaquiski Tartt
T Gary Gilliam
TE Cole Hikutini
G John P. Flynn
G/C Erik Magnuson
RB Raheem Mostert
PR Victor Bolden Jr.
RT Trenton Brown

Thanks NC, but...well...of course we all have our take, so...I'll muddy the water as usual! My additions are best hope worst fear type of range. Range is 10 perfect improvement, 0 is none, negative #s imply a backwards move. Also, this is from TC last year til now.

Originally posted by NCommand:
^ I'd say, factoring in experience in the systems and fit.

Improvement over last year = Arrow Up
Stayed the same = Even
Decline = Arrow Down

QB: Arrow Up (9.9--8 JG starting the year after a half year and a TC)
RB: Even (-2 until we see how Morris and Breida do in games)
FB: Even (2 experience can't hurt and he seems to be healthy)
TE: Even (3 experience in the system and with JG--more than FB because he was a veteran, Kittle and Wick are young)
XWR: Arrow Up (depth) (10 added special playmakers and a healthy Garcon, kept Bourne and Taylor...best group since? Rice and Taylor?)
SWR: Arrow Up (depth) (see above)
ZWR: Arrow Up (see above)
LT: Even (agree unless age is catching up with Staley. His relationship as a mentor to McG may rejuvenate his game)
LG: Even (2 experience should help, as will health)
C: Arrow Up (5 no need for explanation)
RG: Even (3 experiene)
RT: Arrow Up / Even with Trenton Brown (-2 until McG has some games under his belt)

Defensive Personnel:

I'll leave defense alone as it is so unknown! Will Foster do something else that eliminates him from future games? Is Warner strong enough for the NFL? Is Sherman really healthy enough to play the year? Will pass rush by committee be better this year? Will be fun to watch.

Originally posted by NCommand:
OK, then take the roster I posted above and swap in the players who were on I.R.

DE Ronald Blair (returned Week 9)
DE Tank Carradine (returned Week 11)
WR B.J. Johnson - Waived
CB Will Redmond - Waived
CB Prince Charles Iworah - Waived
WR Aaron Burbridge
G Joshua Garnett
LB Jimmie Gilbert
DB Chanceller James
DT Chris Jones
DB Don Jones
LB Donavin Newsome
LB Malcolm Smith
RB Joe Williams
CB Asa Jackson
DL Arik Armstead
FS Jimmie Ward
ZWR Pierre Garçon
SS Jaquiski Tartt
T Gary Gilliam
TE Cole Hikutini
G John P. Flynn
G/C Erik Magnuson
RB Raheem Mostert
PR Victor Bolden Jr.
RT Trenton Brown

Hey NC...thanks for chiming in... I did take into account the injuries when I put together my take on the overall position by position comparison with the roster from the beginning of last year. I appreciate your takes.... Now that you've seen mine, do you still have the same takes?

Cheers, mate!

Originally posted by dtg_9er:
Thanks NC, but...well...of course we all have our take, so...I'll muddy the water as usual! My additions are best hope worst fear type of range. Range is 10 perfect improvement, 0 is none, negative #s imply a backwards move. Also, this is from TC last year til now.

Originally posted by longterm9erfan:
Hey NC...thanks for chiming in... I did take into account the injuries when I put together my take on the overall position by position comparison with the roster from the beginning of last year. I appreciate your takes.... Now that you've seen mine, do you still have the same takes?

Cheers, mate!

Thanks for playing guys; fun exercise. dtg, I like your idea about a point scale and LT, you followed a similar path adding further details as to the degree of change one way or another. Obviously, all three of us feel like we've improved the roster from this time last year, no doubt. That's the exciting part. Injuries, once again, are going to play a big factor in the degree to which we approve between now and week 17. But as long as we protect JG, we should be able to be very competitive in any game on our schedule, at least. Give 80% of the WZ feel we'll win at least 9 games, it's safe to say, they too feel like we've improved over the past 12 months.

If you'd like me to expand upon your points, lemme know.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Interesting take on the evolution of the team NC!

Feel free to play along if you have the time.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Inactives for week 1 if Smith & Ward can go: TE Wick, C Magnuson, OG Tobin, OT Gilliam, DE Taylor, LB Lee, CB Mabin

Inactives for week 1 if Smith & Ward can't go: TE Wick, C Magnuson, OG Tobin, OT Gilliam, DE Taylor, LB Smith, CB Ward

Well AB, time to rethink ours with the updates that Magnuson and Watson are out and Malcolm Smith is unlikely.

My guess: Erik Magnuson, Malcolm Smith, Matt Tobin, Shon Coleman, Jullian Taylor & Tarvarius Moore

Originally posted by NCommand:

^ I'd say, factoring in experience in the systems and fit.

Improvement over last year = Arrow Up
Stayed the same = Even
Decline = Arrow Down

QB: Arrow Up
RB: Even
FB: Even
TE: Even
XWR: Arrow Up (depth)
SWR: Arrow Up (depth)
ZWR: Arrow Up
LT: Even
LG: Even
C: Arrow Up
RG: Even
RT: Arrow Up / Even with Trenton Brown

Defensive Personnel:
LDE: Even
NT: Arrow Down (if Mitchell starts)
RDT: Even
LEO: Even
ER: Arrow Down
SAM: Arrow Down (initially)
MIKE: Arrow Up
WILL: Arrow Down (initially)
RCB: Arrow Up
SCB: Even
LCB: Arrow Up
FS: Arrow Up (depth)
SS: Even

Special Teams:
LS: Even
PK: Even
P: Even

Total:
Arrow Up = 10
Arrow Down = 4
Even = 14

Great breakdown NC!

Originally posted by tohara3:

Great breakdown NC!

Thanks...I appreciate the breakdowns from others too; always good to look back and compare to see how far we've come (or not).

So with Dekoda Watson out, what Big End are we going after?

Originally posted by NCommand:
So with Dekoda Watson out, what Big End are we going after?

Kiara Mia is still a FA.

Originally posted by LarryLestersBuns:

Originally posted by NCommand:

So with Dekoda Watson out, what Big End are we going after?

Kiara Mia is still a FA.

I'm in...literally.