2018 Team Information (Needs)

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Just so we don't have any late round "reaches " in rd 1 this yr. Re: the above, i agree the CB/LB pick should be based on BPA, but would favor the LB since we need 3 of them...assuming the CB isn't the way better pick.

Of note is the paucity of OGs and OG/Cs interviewed, unless they already have their man. Or it could just as well mean they are satisfied between GArnettt, Cooper, and Laken they have 2 guys who can pass protect. Frankly i don't think so, but that must be in their calculus or we would most likely have seen more OGs. A third possibility is they saw Hernandez, Breiden, Wynn, and shucks forgot one...but from that group rated in the 20- 29 group, may be there were only a couple that moved really well, one of Kyle's preferences. In other words, even tho rated highly kyle only liked a couple of them. Could be.

The one and only plaece our guys made less than desirable picks were Reuben and joe Williams. For 10 or 11 picks whatever it was, they did a bang up job. I would really love to know what their red flags are this yr and how they decided how to not have the same thing happen with 2 picks this yr. Like i have posted before, i would have made the Reuben pick also....foolish, but count me in.
On the Williams pick, i didn't really know the candidate so couldn't comment. The Reuben thing... i got sucked in also.

NCommand's Final 2018 Mock Draft

Have at it...would love your thoughts on the picks and rationale.

Originally posted by NCommand:

NCommand's Final 2018 Mock Draft

Have at it...would love your thoughts on the picks and rationale.

I think that looks good.

From the 5th round on to later, I think would be another 1 or 2 more offensive players. Maybe a TE or RB. Seems about right by positions from 1-4

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

Gotta be a ER at #9

ILB in the 2nd or 3rd

I think it goes like this, 1st-ER, 2nd-CB, 3rd-ILB

I'm with you. ER then either LB or CB (whichever is best for their respective positions).

I got OL before CB. CB is my #4 need.

Originally posted by qnnhan7:

I think that looks good.

From the 5th round on to later, I think would be another 1 or 2 more offensive players. Maybe a TE or RB. Seems about right by positions from 1-4

Oh yeah...I've got a grocery-long list for UDFA's of specific offensive players who'll compete! Thanks for the review and feedback.

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

I got OL before CB. CB is my #4 need.

I could certainly see a G/C going up much higher!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by SmokeCrabtrees:

I got OL before CB. CB is my #4 need.

I could certainly see a G/C going up much higher!

Fo shizzle my wiggle.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think that looks good.

From the 5th round on to later, I think would be another 1 or 2 more offensive players. Maybe a TE or RB. Seems about right by positions from 1-4

Oh yeah...I've got a grocery-long list for UDFA's of specific offensive players who'll compete! Thanks for the review and feedback.

As much as I love undrafted stories making the team, I think Kyle said in an interview it will be harder for undrafteds to make it onto the team this year. They really have to clearly beat out the guys they already have. I think that's great news that our team is getting to the level of playoff talent for this upcomming year.

Originally posted by Giedi:

As much as I love undrafted stories making the team, I think Kyle said in an interview it will be harder for undrafteds to make it onto the team this year. They really have to clearly beat out the guys they already have. I think that's great news that our team is getting to the level of playoff talent for this upcomming year.

Yup and that's a great thing! I have a great pool of UDFA's and I'd be surprised if even a couple made it this year.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
I think that looks good.

From the 5th round on to later, I think would be another 1 or 2 more offensive players. Maybe a TE or RB. Seems about right by positions from 1-4

Oh yeah...I've got a grocery-long list for UDFA's of specific offensive players who'll compete! Thanks for the review and feedback.

As much as I love undrafted stories making the team, I think Kyle said in an interview it will be harder for undrafteds to make it onto the team this year. They really have to clearly beat out the guys they already have. I think that's great news that our team is getting to the level of playoff talent for this upcomming year.

Hence the incredibly wise choice of smokes above , taking OL before CB.

Looks like the new guys have jersey numbers

2- Jeff Locke
25- Richard Sherman (Knew that one already)
28- Jerick McKinnon
58- Weston Richburg
64- Jonathan Cooper
59- Korey Toomer
92- Jeremiah Attaochu

New numbers for players already on team.

1- Max McCaffrey
20- Jimmie Ward
30- Trovon Reed
36- Don Jones
53- Mark Nzeocha
61- Andrew Lauderdale

Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Looks like the new guys have jersey numbers

2- Jeff Locke
25- Richard Sherman (Knew that one already)
28- Jerick McKinnon
58- Weston Richburg
64- Jonathan Cooper
59- Korey Toomer
92- Jeremiah Attaochu

New numbers for players already on team.

1- Max McCaffrey
20- Jimmie Ward
30- Trovon Reed
36- Don Jones
53- Mark Nzeocha
61- Andrew Lauderdale

it's sucks to see someone else wear 53. Just isn't right. At least don't issue it for a few years.

Some info on Korey Toomer.

We'll have plenty of time to learn more about the depth chart, but for now, I'm curious about Toomer. He has been primarily a reserve, although injuries helped him get some starting nods the past two seasons. But even in mostly reserve duty, he did some solid work. According to Pro Football Focus (via David Lombardi), in 2016, he posted the best run stop rate among inside linebackers with at least 150 snaps (he had 177 snaps). His run stop rate dropped in 2017, but he still ranked in the top ten. In 2017, he had 95 pass coverage opportunities, and he ranked 11th in yards per cover snap among inside linebackers with at least 50 snaps in pass coverage.

These are small sample sizes, but they show some level of success. He originally entered the NFL as a fifth round pick of the Seattle Seahawks in the 2012 NFL Draft. He was there during part of Robert Saleh's stint. Toomer eventually joined the Los Angeles Chargers in 2017. The Chargers' defensive coordinator this past year was Gus Bradley, who employs a similar defensive philosophy as that of the 49ers.

https://www.ninersnation.com/platform/amp/2018/4/20/17263698/49ers-draft-needs-linebacker-reuben-foster-korey-toomer?utm_campaign=ninersnation&utm_content=chorus&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

Hey NC, posted this in McKinnon's thread.

Yeah, basically his 2019 salary($4M) is less than 50% of his 2018 salary($10M), doesn't include prorated bonuses, so that $6M difference gets treated as a signing bonus, and prorates over the 4yrs at $1.5M a yr, but the deal remains the same the way he was getting paid, the $6M bonus is just for cap purposes. Not additional money given to him.

Also Toomer's deal is 1yr, $880K, with $90K Signing Bonus, $720K cap number as it's a veteran minimum salary benefit deal.

I guess you can look at the McKinnon's difference in cap numbers $10.5M originally, to now $6M, that $4.5M was(or most) used on a pay raise for Joe Staley. No info on him, probably Monday.

My 49ers Mock Draft w/out Trades:

Rd 1(#9) – Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia (MLB & WLB)
Rd 2(#59) – Equanimeous St. Brown, WR, Notre Dame (Tall outside WR)
Rd 3(#70) – Austin Corbett, OG, Nevada (LG/RG)
Rd 3(#74) – Hercules Mata'afa, DE, Washington State (LEO/SAM)
Rd 4(#128) – Quenton Meeks, CB, Stanford (#4 CB)
Rd 5(#143) – Lorenzo Carter, OLB, Georgia (SAM)
Rd 6(#184) – Alex Cappa, OT, Humboldt State (Developmental OL)
Rd 7(#223) – Tyler Conklin, TE, Central Michigan (Pass Catching TE)
Rd 7(#240) – Richie James, WR, MTSU (Slot WR)

53-Man Roster:

QB(2): Jimmy Garoppolo(2022)/ C.J. Beathard(2020)
RB(4): Jerick McKinnon(2021)/ Matt Breida(2019)/ Joe Williams(2020)/ Raheem Mostert(2018)
FB(1): Kyle Juszycyk(2020)
WR(6): Pierre Garcon(2021)/ Marquise Goodwin(2021)/ Trent Taylor(2020)/ Kendrick Bourne(2019)/ Equanimeous St. Brown(2021)/ Riche James(2021)
TE(4): Garrett Celek(2019)/ George Kittle(2020)/ Tyler Conklin(2021)/ 83 Cole Hikutini(2019)
C(2): Weston Richburg(2022)/ Erik Magnuson(2019)
OG(4): Jonathan Cooper(2018)/ Joshua Garnett(2019)/ Austin Corbett(2021)/ Laken Tomlinson(2018)
OT(4): Joe Staley(2019)/ Trent Brown(2018)/ Garry Gilliam(2019)/ Alex Cappa(2021)

DE(3): Solomon Thomas(2020)/ Arik Armstead(2018)/ Ronald Blair III(2019)
DT(2): DeForest Buckner(2019)/ Sheldon Day(2019)
NT(2): Earl Mitchell(2020)/ DJ Jones(2020)
LEO(3): Cassius Marsh(2019)/ Jeremiah Attaochu(2018)/ Hercules Mata'afa(2021)
SAM(4): Eli Harold(2018)/ Lorenzo Carter(2021)/ Dekoda Watson(2019)/ Pita Taumoepenu(2020)
MIKE/WILL(5): Malcolm Smith(2021)/ Roquan Smith(2021)/ Brock Coyle(2020)/ Korey Toomer(2018)/ Mark Nzeocha(2018)
CB(5): Richard Sherman(2020)/ Ahkello Witherspoon(2020)/ K'Waun Williams(2020)/ Quenton Meeks(2021)/ Greg Mabin(2018)
S(4): Jaquiski Tartt(2018)/ Adrian Colbert(2020)/ Jimmie Ward(2018)/ Dexter McCoil(2018)

PK(1): Robbie Gould(2018)
P(1): Bradley Pinion(2018)
LS(1): Kyle Nelson(2018)

Spots like Mabin's, McCoil's, Hikutini's are up for discussion. In a perfect world we'd draft a S and 2 CBs, but I hate projecting trades.

But if we did manage to pull off a deal that netted us two mid round picks, maybe a 4th and a 5th, I'd say for 3rd- CB Kevin Toliver II, LSU, and 5th- S Trayvon Henderson, Hawaii, so both would take Mabin and McCoil's roster spots. And honestly, I think the above roster, plus these 2 make this team ready to compete in 2018.

Suspended: LB Reuben Foster(2020)

Inactives:

1. RB Joe Willliams
2. TE Cole Hikutini
3. OG Austin Corbett
4. OG Laken Tomlinson
5. OT Alex Cappa
6. NT DJ Jones
7. SAM Pita Taumoepenu

My 49ers Mock Draft w/out Trades:
Rd 1(#9) – Roquan Smith, ILB, Georgia (MLB & WLB)
Rd 2(#59) – Equanimeous St. Brown, WR, Notre Dame (Tall outside WR)
Rd 3(#70) – Austin Corbett, OG, Nevada (LG/RG)
Rd 3(#74) – Hercules Mata'afa, DE, Washington State (LEO/SAM)
Rd 4(#128) – Quenton Meeks, CB, Stanford (CB Depth)
Rd 4(from trade down)- Kevin Toliver, CB, LSU (CB Depth)
Rd 5(#143) – Lorenzo Carter, OLB, Georgia (SAM)
Rd 5(from trade down)- Trayvon Henderson, S, Hawaii (Hard hitting S)
Rd 6(#184) – Alex Cappa, OT, Humboldt State (Developmental OL)
Rd 7(#223) – Tyler Conklin, TE, Central Michigan (Pass Catching TE)
Rd 7(#240) – Richie James, WR, MTSU (Slot WR)

53-Man Roster(with extra 4th and 5th rd picks):

QB(2): Jimmy Garoppolo(2022)/ C.J. Beathard(2020)
RB(4): Jerick McKinnon(2021)/ Matt Breida(2019)/ Joe Williams(2020)/ Raheem Mostert(2018)
FB(1): Kyle Juszycyk(2020)
WR(6): Pierre Garcon(2021)/ Marquise Goodwin(2021)/ Trent Taylor(2020)/ Kendrick Bourne(2019)/ Equanimeous St. Brown(2021)/ Riche James(2021)
TE(4): Garrett Celek(2019)/ George Kittle(2020)/ Tyler Conklin(2021)/ 83 Cole Hikutini(2019)
C(2): Weston Richburg(2022)/ Erik Magnuson(2019)
OG(4): Jonathan Cooper(2018)/ Joshua Garnett(2019)/ Austin Corbett(2021)/ Laken Tomlinson(2018)
OT(4): Joe Staley(2019)/ Trent Brown(2018)/ Garry Gilliam(2019)/ Alex Cappa(2021)

DE(3): Solomon Thomas(2020)/ Arik Armstead(2018)/ Ronald Blair III(2019)
DT(2): DeForest Buckner(2019)/ Sheldon Day(2019)
NT(2): Earl Mitchell(2020)/ DJ Jones(2020)
LEO(3): Cassius Marsh(2019)/ Jeremiah Attaochu(2018)/ Hercules Mata'afa(2021)
SAM(4): Eli Harold(2018)/ Lorenzo Carter(2021)/ Dekoda Watson(2019)/ Pita Taumoepenu(2020)
MIKE/WILL(5): Malcolm Smith(2021)/ Roquan Smith(2021)/ Brock Coyle(2020)/ Korey Toomer(2018)/ Mark Nzeocha(2018)
CB(5): Richard Sherman(2020)/ Ahkello Witherspoon(2020)/ K'Waun Williams(2020)/ Quenton Meeks(2021)/ Kevin Toliver II(2021)
S(4): Jaquiski Tartt(2018)/ Adrian Colbert(2020)/ Jimmie Ward(2018)/ Trayvon Henderson(2021)

PK(1): Robbie Gould(2018)
P(1): Bradley Pinion(2018)
LS(1): Kyle Nelson(2018)