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Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Oh they found late talent that are making the big difference huh?

I already said a million times you CAN find late talent. I also said a million times our FO can't otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. LOL. Is that hard to follow?

What mid round picks did the Rams take that are making the big difference? Just answer the question and stop shifting around

Late now = middle rounds

Read the article on how they rebuilt it.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Hmm let me guess. The championship OL's are Pittsburgh, Kansas City, Green Bay and New Orleans.

What else do they all have in common.

TBF, 2 of those 4 were expected to meet in the Superbowl.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like what. They found late talent over years and saw it start to come together and stuck with it.

We did the same.

Their talent evaluation was better UNLESS you think Goff just avoided 40 potential QB hits.

So which is it. Their OL came together and are playing "good enough" or Goff helped them look far better than they actually are?

I think Goff is MASSIVLY better than Mullens for one lol. I also think Kupp and Woods playing every game helps a f**k ton.

I'd say play-calling has also helped that OL as well

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/13/rams-offense-play-type-max-protect/

Matt Bowen of ESPN pointed out that the Rams run more max-protect plays (7 or more blockers) than any team in the league, a rate of 20.6% – 3.9% higher than the second-ranked Patriots

But yes let's talk about QB hits.


it's not like Goff is slinging it downfield either

Goff's average depth of target remains low at only 7.2 yards, but Sean McVay has tried to create plays downfield. They just haven't been there, forcing Goff to either check down or scramble.

SO like you would say weekly in the OL thread last yr...play calling and getting rid of the ball quickly for YAC helped the OL. Only difference is you're NOT saying that about the Rams lol...instead you want to prop them up saying drafting some mid round lineman are the difference.

So yes I use the term hypocrite because that's exactly what is happening.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Oh they found late talent that are making the big difference huh?

I already said a million times you CAN find late talent. I also said a million times our FO can't otherwise we wouldn't be having this conversation. LOL. Is that hard to follow?

What mid round picks did the Rams take that are making the big difference? Just answer the question and stop shifting around

Late now = middle rounds

Read the article on how they rebuilt it.

Answer the question.

Is it Allen, Evans or Noteboom who have absolutely sucked? Is it Edwards who is the lowest grades OL on the Rams by a bit and who is rated significantly lower than Tomlinson? I just want to know who is behind this big transformation that was a result of investing mid round picks into the OL

Originally posted by NCommand:
NY Translation: I'll never admit to being wildly wrong on a topic but I'm just going to keep running it back anyhow. Maybe next year.

No you're simply being too thick headed to see what you're actually saying lol. What's the point in debating if you can't refuse to look.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Like what. They found late talent over years and saw it start to come together and stuck with it.

We did the same.

Their talent evaluation was better UNLESS you think Goff just avoided 40 potential QB hits.

So which is it. Their OL came together and are playing "good enough" or Goff helped them look far better than they actually are?

I think Goff is MASSIVLY better than Mullens for one lol. I also think Kupp and Woods playing every game helps a f**k ton.

I'd say play-calling has also helped that OL as well

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/13/rams-offense-play-type-max-protect/

Matt Bowen of ESPN pointed out that the Rams run more max-protect plays (7 or more blockers) than any team in the league, a rate of 20.6% – 3.9% higher than the second-ranked Patriots

But yes let's talk about QB hits.

Dropback % in Max-Protection (7 or more blockers).

Think of play-action "shot plays" here — or two-man routes (Post-Cross concept, for example).

1. #Rams — 20.6%
2. #Patriots — 16.7%
3. #Raiders — 14.7%
4. #Browns — 14.5 %
5. #Jets — 14.4 %

— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) November 12, 2020

it's not like Goff is slinging it downfield either

Goff's average depth of target remains low at only 7.2 yards, but Sean McVay has tried to create plays downfield. They just haven't been there, forcing Goff to either check down or scramble.

SO like you would say weekly in the OL thread last yr...play calling and getting rid of the ball quickly for YAC helped the OL. Only difference is you're NOT saying that about the Rams lol...instead you want to prop them up saying drafting some mid round lineman are the difference.

So yes I use the term hypocrite because that's exactly what is happening.

And Kyle hasn't tried the same exact thing here?

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

NY Translation: I'll never admit to being wildly wrong on a topic but I'm just going to keep running it back anyhow. Maybe next year.

No you're simply being too thick headed to see what you're actually saying lol. What's the point in debating if you can't refuse to look.

But what are you even debating. The Rams OL isn't better than ours?

Originally posted by NCommand:
And Kyle hasn't tried the same exact thing here?

YES YES 1000X YES

It's a formula that can win you a title 1000%. But ya need your QB to not sh*t the bed.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:

And Kyle hasn't tried the same exact thing here?

YES YES 1000X YES

It's a formula that can win you a title 1000%. But ya need your QB to not sh*t the bed.

Haha. Yeah, I wasn't having a Goff v. Garoppolo v. Mullens conversation here.

I agree with you in principle on your standards for QB play. I'm saying you three don't have the same standards for OL. Obviously.

It's not like we both wouldn't want both massively improved.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:
Like what. They found late talent over years and saw it start to come together and stuck with it.

We did the same.

Their talent evaluation was better UNLESS you think Goff just avoided 40 potential QB hits.

So which is it. Their OL came together and are playing "good enough" or Goff helped them look far better than they actually are?

I think Goff is MASSIVLY better than Mullens for one lol. I also think Kupp and Woods playing every game helps a f**k ton.

I'd say play-calling has also helped that OL as well

https://theramswire.usatoday.com/2020/11/13/rams-offense-play-type-max-protect/

Matt Bowen of ESPN pointed out that the Rams run more max-protect plays (7 or more blockers) than any team in the league, a rate of 20.6% – 3.9% higher than the second-ranked Patriots

But yes let's talk about QB hits.

Dropback % in Max-Protection (7 or more blockers).

Think of play-action "shot plays" here — or two-man routes (Post-Cross concept, for example).

1. #Rams — 20.6%
2. #Patriots — 16.7%
3. #Raiders — 14.7%
4. #Browns — 14.5 %
5. #Jets — 14.4 %

— Matt Bowen (@MattBowen41) November 12, 2020

it's not like Goff is slinging it downfield either

Goff's average depth of target remains low at only 7.2 yards, but Sean McVay has tried to create plays downfield. They just haven't been there, forcing Goff to either check down or scramble.

SO like you would say weekly in the OL thread last yr...play calling and getting rid of the ball quickly for YAC helped the OL. Only difference is you're NOT saying that about the Rams lol...instead you want to prop them up saying drafting some mid round lineman are the difference.

So yes I use the term hypocrite because that's exactly what is happening.

And Kyle hasn't tried the same exact thing here?

There's the deflection lol.

So yes play-calling is making that OL perform better than last yr???

I mean does Kyle have Goff? Has Kyle had his two top WRs like Woods/Kupp that allows them to use max-protect more than any team in football?

Do you honestly expect us to believe that if the 2021 49ers do something similar to the Rams, Brunksill plays like Austin Blythe, McKivitz plays like Edwards and the 9ers are 8-4 1 year from now that you will be saying it's a solid OL. Cuz you sure didn't last year.

THAT is the hypocrisy.

Rams OL isn't great. But they can win the SB with it. Both things can be true at the same time. It's the system that will need to carry the primary load. Sound familiar?

I hope they let Richburg go. I keep calling him Richmond Westburg. I can't get that name straight in my mind.

Originally posted by NCommand:
But what are you even debating. The Rams OL isn't better than ours?

I'm debating you being a hypocrite over this topic....again.

You've propped up LA's OL, while completely disregarding play-calling, QB play, WR play, the running game etc....the SAME s**t you threw out last yr in regards to the SF OL playing better...In no way was it talent or the lineman actually playing better from your POV.

IF SF did what LA did this past off season after that 2019 season, you would have been livid lol. You would have called Noteboom/Allen bust (because they did play awful). You'd be laughing at the David Edwards 5th rd pick making fun of it the same as you have done with the Colton pick lol.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Do you honestly expect us to believe that if the 2021 49ers do something similar to the Rams, Brunksill plays like Austin Blythe, McKivitz plays like Edwards and the 9ers are 8-4 1 year from now that you will be saying it's a solid OL. Cuz you sure didn't last year.

THAT is the hypocrisy.

Rams OL isn't great. But they can win the SB with it. Both things can be true at the same time. It's the system that will need to carry the primary load. Sound familiar?

Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. Yeah, I wasn't having a Goff v. Garoppolo v. Mullens conversation here.

I agree with you in principle on your standards for QB play. I'm saying you three don't have the same standards for OL. Obviously.

It's not like we both wouldn't want both massively improved.

It's not that I don't have standards for OL play. I do. But i also recognize the reality of the OL play in this league. It's the grading on a curve concept. Why do you think PFF had the 9ers OL in the top 10?

To say the BIlls have a good OL when they can't consistent run block and Allen has to scramble all over the place shows how YOU GUYS want to skew what you think is good to fit a narrative.

Besides the Packers and Colts there aren't any good OL's right now. Everyone is just trying to manage to hide their flaws. Why terms like Championship OL is worthless.

If the 9ers OL right now was blocking like the Packers OL i still think we are 5-7. If we had Aaron Rodgers we are 8-4.