Weston Richburg (retired)

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Like I said If the blue print of building a good OL is using a bunch of mid rd/day 3 picks I'm all for it....sounds like you and GM are as well. Good to know we're all in agreement

I'd PREFER that. The problem is you 3 trust OUR FO to find these players when what little draft resources they've added HAVE actually come from that pool and it clearly isn't working out. And the 1st rounder isn't working out either.

So why would you want to repeat the very definition of insanity here? Whether it's FA, high or low draft picks, it ain't pretty as a unit and very one sided (at best) in skill set.

Instead, maybe we should be talking more about Kyle, Benton and the FO issues with finding talent.

They clearly have strengths in identifying LB's, DT's, TE's, Arby's, FB's, etc.

But OL?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

They didn't build anything back up from last year.

LOL. You're the only one making that leap.

You went from:

Rams learned after losing their OL too. They built it back up.

To:

They didn't build anything back up from last year.

This is one of your jokes we don't get, right? Lol, You made the statement and a few of us corrected you, just move on. They didn't build anything back up

You really don't read do you? LOL

It's OK you jumped to a conclusion. I ain't mad at you.

No one jumped to a conclusion. Quite a few of us came to the same conclusion based on that your wrote

LOL. Case in point.

Ok, elaborate on what you meant by "building the OL back up". When multiple people are reading it the same way I am, it may be you

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

They didn't build anything back up from last year.

LOL. You're the only one making that leap.

You went from:

Rams learned after losing their OL too. They built it back up.

To:

They didn't build anything back up from last year.

This is one of your jokes we don't get, right? Lol, You made the statement and a few of us corrected you, just move on. They didn't build anything back up

You really don't read do you? LOL

It's OK you jumped to a conclusion. I ain't mad at you.

No one jumped to a conclusion. Quite a few of us came to the same conclusion based on that your wrote

LOL. Case in point.

Ok, elaborate on what you meant by "building the OL back up". When multiple people are reading it the same way I am, it may be you

I provided the article. You didn't read that either. Why would you read my explanation and comprehend it if I stated it again?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

They didn't build anything back up from last year.

LOL. You're the only one making that leap.

You went from:

Rams learned after losing their OL too. They built it back up.

To:

They didn't build anything back up from last year.

This is one of your jokes we don't get, right? Lol, You made the statement and a few of us corrected you, just move on. They didn't build anything back up

You really don't read do you? LOL

It's OK you jumped to a conclusion. I ain't mad at you.

No one jumped to a conclusion. Quite a few of us came to the same conclusion based on that your wrote

LOL. Case in point.

Ok, elaborate on what you meant by "building the OL back up". When multiple people are reading it the same way I am, it may be you

I provided the article. You didn't read that either. Why would you read my explanation and comprehend it if I stated it again?

LOL You posted that article after you initially said they built the line back after an awful year last year and multiple people told you they didn't build anything back up, but rather stood pat.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

They didn't build anything back up from last year.

LOL. You're the only one making that leap.

You went from:

Rams learned after losing their OL too. They built it back up.

To:

They didn't build anything back up from last year.

This is one of your jokes we don't get, right? Lol, You made the statement and a few of us corrected you, just move on. They didn't build anything back up

You really don't read do you? LOL

It's OK you jumped to a conclusion. I ain't mad at you.

No one jumped to a conclusion. Quite a few of us came to the same conclusion based on that your wrote

LOL. Case in point.

Ok, elaborate on what you meant by "building the OL back up". When multiple people are reading it the same way I am, it may be you

I provided the article. You didn't read that either. Why would you read my explanation and comprehend it if I stated it again?

LOL You posted that article after you initially said they built the line back after an awful year last year and multiple people told you they didn't build anything back up, but rather stood pat.

*Sigh.

I love you, man.

Originally posted by NinerGM:

Guys, really, I'm for the QB upgrade plan.

I am.

You will never get an argument out of me against upgrading ANY position on this team. Any. I really am for it.

I just feel like some paths are more difficult to upgrade than others.

If QB is the path, let's not BS or half-ass, let's get a serious difference-maker and BETTER than what we have. What I will pan (if we go the draft route) is a player like Beathard, Hurd or (Joe) Williams. NOPE.

If it's OL, fine - don't BS and make significant upgrades. Wherever we focus on this team as long as it's better.

Just don't expect a different result with THE SAME players if they can't even get healthy first.

100%. Preach.

Just f**king prioritize something other than DT.

Originally posted by NCommand:
...if they were meeting standards and the staff saw growth, sure. Like they did with Brunskill but that hasn't panned out no matter where he's at in a starting position.

Growth? Brunskill has played C/G/T lol...dude hasn't had a chance to learn one position for any real amount of time, not even in a covid training camp. Colton has started in what 1 game lol?

IF NC was a Ram's fan and watched that 2019 OL play... THEN watch them do absolutely nothing to improve the OL this past off season this would have been you (and GM)….



NOW they're playing much better...you know what you'd do (if you were a LAR fan) you'd said yeah well they're just scheming around the OL, getting rid of the ball quickly, throwing the ball less/running more, when they actually have to throw it (downfield) they suck blah blah blah.

BUT since it's not SF, you're gonna give them a big ol' pat on the back

Originally posted by NinerGM:
Okay man you're making things up now.
- We absolutely did not have 2 back-ups to cover for Richburg, we had one - Garland. Brunskill was penciled in to COMPETE at RG.

I don't need to show you a "great bench" I can show you if you actually watched the Buffalo game, what a good OL looks like.

I don't see any other top tier team waiting and waiting and waiting and waiting for their starting center to come back and thinking there's no loss in performance by trotting out a journeyman back-up OG who didn't crack the starting lineup during his time with Shanahan in Atlanta.

I know where you, Hoov and NY stand and that's great - you all believe finding a great/ELITE QB will be easier than finding/developing a sound OL. Somehow we don't have $ for a center but we have $ and picks for a Wilson-like, Mahommes-like, Allen-like QB who can outrun opposing DEs.

That just doesn't seem realistic to me bud at all.

It just really hard to get me to believe acquiring a QB that's good enough to play better than what you all want (better than JG) is going to be an easy.

SPENCER LONG dude. Had 2. He decided to retire.

Bills O Line wasn't anything special. Allen just ran away from sacks.

Seattle has built their entire team on journeyman OL. Mike Iupati anyone. Rams interior is a traded for bust (ala Tomlinson) a UDFA and a 5th. Packers have drafted two day 1-2 picks on OL in the last 8 years. You clearly just don't know whats going on around the league.

What's not realistic is to think a rookie center is going to come in and start. The guy Command lusted after all offseason got Drew Brees killed. So yah it's gonna be hoping Brunksill or a journeyman can buy us time to develop a young guy. Not unlike Austin Blythe in 2019

I don't expect a rookie QB to light anything up. If they go rook QB it means this is a developmental year. Just like a rookie C would. Also never said it was easy. But I do think QB play right now is the biggest for this team besides health. Doesn't mean i'm happy with OL. BUt I don't think better OL play would make our current guys play much better. Mullens is what he is and Jimmy seems mentally broken.

Originally posted by NCommand:
I'd PREFER that. The problem is you 3 trust OUR FO to find these players when what little draft resources they've added HAVE actually come from that pool and it clearly isn't working out. And the 1st rounder isn't working out either.

So why would you want to repeat the very definition of insanity here? Whether it's FA, high or low draft picks, it ain't pretty as a unit and very one sided (at best) in skill set.

Instead, maybe we should be talking more about Kyle, Benton and the FO issues with finding talent.

They clearly have strengths in identifying LB's, DT's, TE's, Arby's, FB's, etc.

But OL?

OH BS.

They did exactly what you wanted in 2018 in drafting OL regardless of MOST in here said it was a f**king reach (I was very open about that one).

Just because you spend a high pick on OL doesn't mean it was the right thing to do or that solves anything. THATS my point.

There IS importance when it comes to draft and position regardless of what you want to think. IOL is NOT high on that list and overall past draft picks and $ invested have backed that up.

s**t go look at the 1st lineman taken at their position the past couple yrs (too early to tell either way on 2020 prospects).

2019-
top center-Garrett Bradbury not good
top guard-Chris Lindstrom helped Matt Ryan get hit over 100 times last yr (QB hits oh man)
top tackle-Jonah Williams not great as of yet.

2018-
top center-Frank Ragnow- avg to decent starter wouldn't say he is some groundbreaking player that changed that team/Billy price draft next pick has been a massive bust.
top guard-Quenton Nelson generational talent, those dudes don't come around every yr.
top tackle-Mike McGlinchey great run blocker piss poor in PP.

2017-
top center- Ethan Pocic trash
top guard-Forrest Lamp trash
top tackle-Garett Bolles one of the worst tackles in football for almost 3 yrs, zero chance you would have let him develop. Dude just got a $70M deal and is one of the better young LTs in football.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Growth? Brunskill has played C/G/T lol...dude hasn't had a chance to learn one position for any real amount of time, not even in a covid training camp. Colton has started in what 1 game lol?

IF NC was a Ram's fan and watched that 2019 OL play... THEN watch them do absolutely nothing to improve the OL this past off season this would have been you (and GM)….



NOW they're playing much better...you know what you'd do (if you were a LAR fan) you'd said yeah well they're just scheming around the OL, getting rid of the ball quickly, throwing the ball less/running more, when they actually have to throw it (downfield) they suck blah blah blah.

BUT since it's not SF, you're gonna give them a big ol' pat on the back

Funny thing is that criticism wouldn't be too incorrect. That is exactly what they are doing. It's pretty much the same as the 9ers from 2019.

Imagine that. It's a successful strategy to employ.

LOL

Dying on that hill stacked high full of evidence and when everyone in the world recognizes it.

But hey, if you're dead wrong on a topic every single year on this topic, does that qualify for the insanity definition too?

Originally posted by NinerGM:
No NY - the Rams have been investing over years not just last season. This wasn't just something they said "he we sucked last season maybe we should invest all our mid round picks on the OL in 2020."

So I'm telling you if we approach OL like we approach DL even 50%, we wouldn't be in the predicament we're in waiting for our would-be pro-bowl-projected-center to get healthy because all of his replacements are sub par.

LA Ram's investments since 2017.

-brought in Andrew Whitworth
-brought in John Sullivan who was looked at as a backup level vet at that point in his career (been cut twice before).
-decided to NOT pay Rodger Saffold.
-spent a 3rd/4th//6th on OL in 2018 and a 3rd/5th in 2019.

49ers investments since 2017.

-Gave up a 5th for a former 1st rd pick
-gave a top 5 contract to one of the best FA centers in 2018
-spent a top 10 pick on a OT
-2019 6th rd pick 2020 5th rd pick
-gave up a 3rd and 5th for one of the best LTs in football.

I would NOT say those means of investment are very lopsided

Originally posted by NCommand:
LOL

Dying on that hill stacked high full of evidence and when everyone in the world recognizes it.

But hey, if you're dead wrong on a topic every single year on this topic, does that qualify for the insanity definition too?

What if you're being a massive hypocrite about it? NO ONE is saying our OL is great. I'm not .

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Imagine that. It's a successful strategy to employ.

Yeah the 4 of 5 run-it-back have REALLY panned out for us this year.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

LOL

Dying on that hill stacked high full of evidence and when everyone in the world recognizes it.

But hey, if you're dead wrong on a topic every single year on this topic, does that qualify for the insanity definition too?

What if you're being a massive hypocrite about it? NO ONE is saying our OL is great. I'm not .

#ChampionshipOL #GoodEnough

Sound familiar? It should...classic hypocrisy in a nutshell and STILL trying to spin it which at this point, is just laughable.