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The year isn't over yet!

If Garoppolo survives the next 5 games and gets a ton of on schedule plays, we're in great shape to build off the foundation we established this year. We'll have locked down our FQB and the backup is legit and he too, will only grow and develop over time as well.

On defense, we've clearly got a legit DL with serious depth there now. Foster is already out performing Bowman. We'll then be focused on acquiring two legit edge rushers and maybe another dynamic LB and CB.

On offense, no question we need to get some real talent at LG and C and done raw premier talent at T to start grooming behind Staley. We badly need to get a premier TE and WR as well.

Special teams is set for the next 5 years.

We'll have over 20 players coming back from I.R. with just a handful of players we need to lock up before FA starts. $120M going into FA.

The bottom line is, our draft class looks good and our work is clearly cut out for us and that's all you can ask for in year 1 of a rebuild.

If Garoppolo pans out, we'll be WAY ahead of schedule on this rebuild.

[ Edited by NCommand on Dec 3, 2017 at 8:08 AM ]

Originally posted by pdizo916:
Originally posted by SanFranFanfrmVa:
Even though we're 1-10 I am so jacked up about the 49ers. To be able to get a franchise QB in JG and CJB as a backup in season number 1 is absolutely remarkable. They also have added some nice young talent to the roster while purging some contracts like Bowman and McDonald off of the roster. We're flush with over 100 million in salary cap room and sitting pretty with high draft picks. After free agency and the draft I fully expect to see this team hit the ground running in 2018-19. I've got a big grin on my face thinking about the future. Go Niners!!

1. JG isn't a franchise QB; not yet. He's an unknown
2. they may have cap room but they won't spend it. History has shown that.
3. They may have high draft picks, but they will draft busts like soloman thomas
4. I see a mediocre upgrade to the interior o line and that's it. Saleh and co will return.

Don't be optimistic. This is the worst ran franchise in all of professional sports. (even worse than the browns)

Ok pdiz, let's go thru this heat of the moment post:

1. Have to agree....JG IS an unknown quantity. However those 2 passes at the end of the SEA game didn't look like anything we have seen around here at QB in, well, since before 1999. It looked like a guy who has done this his whole life. Slid sideways out of the rush....just a natural easy sidestep to the Left. Not fantastic , just looked like he was out for a casual walk. The two passes? Pinpoint. Again looked like he has been doing this forever. Haven't seen confidence like that in, well, say 19 yrs.

2." May have cap room but won't spend it. Hx has shown that." Yup, when baalke was here he was like a Scotsman...held onto every penny. As for as hx of spending, i think kyle and john's approach this FA was excellent. They didn't blow their wad when they had NO IDEA what we had on IR or the bench(turns out, not much in either place)...but you don't want your F.O to be blowing money in FA when they have no idea the talent that was here. And that required a full half season or more to establish. Well, when they took over we had 4 starters. FOUR!!!! But that was it...Buckner, Staley, Brown, and perhaps, Arik. Last one is hotly contested, but i think they keep him this yr to see for sure. So maybe we had only 3 starters. There is argument whether Carlos belongs on that list...but probably so. Still really only 4 starters. As of right now we are missing 7 starters, meaning we filled in 11 starting positions, and now still lack:

#1 WR.(also a slot), OG, C, OG, CB, S, ER/LB, and we could use 2 of each at both LB and ER. But just 7 slots still need starters. Getting 11 starters their first yr here, especially when one slot we got doubles...QB...and one is a great up and comer (just needs 2 mabye 3 yrs more teaching, but excellent back up) and then, the big one, JG. (True, he has played just a couple plays but he looked better in those two plays than anything seen at QB over the last 19 yrs. So even tho JG fell in our laps, if Kyle had not been here, or Lynch not been here, you really think BB would have called us? Nope. Especially if we had the chipster, tomsul, harabaw and worst yet, baalke. No, we got called because of the quality we had at HC/OC and GM. BB liked the way our team was going. And he owed JG a thank you for sticking around 3 1/2 yrs. (also true we were in a different conference).

As far as not spending money in FA, i sure didn't want to see a bunch of dough blown when there was no frigging idea what was on IR and the bench . Quite frankly Shalyn had no idea what we had...if anything ...on the team. What we DID have was Buck, staley, Trenton, and Carlos. That was it. But nobody knew back in Feb—Mar-April. So good for them trying to shore up the OL(that went bust starting with Zut and going on down the list of Barnes, Fusco, beadles, Martin, and two other doofuses.) So they spent money, but spent it wisely...making them in good shape to go after the 7 slots we still need filled. But think about it pdiz....we got Colbert, spoon, Reuben, Solomon, CJ, (and now JG, meaning not just a starter but a great backup en route to starter in CJ), Brieda, Garcon, DJ Jones, Mitchell, (maybe Dousze) to go along wiht Carlos, staley, Trenton. And Trenton has turned out to be the best RT in the league and the top 3-5 OT overall. That means what we need basically, is 2 OGs, Center, 1 S, 1 CB, ER, and LB (or 2 depending on IR). That is it. The very hardest slot we got ....FR QB...plus we got a great prospect in CJ....two yrs out , lookout, the guy will be a starter. (But currently is an excellent backup). Had they spent $80 million like NY GNATS did, we would really have been in trouble. Instead they spent wisely, blew it on OL but hey, you can't win 'em all.

3.May have draft picks but blew them on guys like Solomon. Well Pdiz, that is your opinion. The rest of us see a real talent in Solomon, and this coming yr, watch him take off. We get an outside ER, and watch Solly, Buck , mitch, Douze, DJ, all take off. So let's look at their "blown" picks:

Solomon...we disagree here, but he is a S T U D. He was everywhere in the backfield. This yr with an ER those penetrations will be sacks or qB hits
Reuben...what needs be said. The kid is something special at pick #31???You kidding me? This was the steal of the draft. He is everywhere, coverage, runs, he's always around the ball.
Spoon...nothing to begin with but he was overwhelmed. Now without a doubt the best cover guy we have had in yrs....oh and Reid is gone and so is ward (medical) at end of yr.
CJ....terrific pick up at #4.. needs a couple yrs to become an excellent starter but great backup.
Joe Williams....ok, they missed on one, but stil hasn't played so we got to wait on this one.
Then the rest including FA, Douze, DJ, MItchell, Garcon.....question marks are Kittle, TT, Bourne, Darren Williams (OT), magnus.

So in summary, i think you are missing the talent we raked in. True some of it has come later in the season, but Spoon is a bona fide cover corner. And Colbert is a stud and great in coverage. Reuben, Solly, fantastic, CJ the same, Breida most likely a starter, Garcon excellent. So let's not say their picks whether FA or draft were poor. Plus don't forget that :Lynch picked Chi's pocket with the Trubisky deal and we ended up with extra rd 2 and 3 picks. Virtually most fans think our draft was superb. Same for FA, just not on OL.

4. You see mediocre upgrade on OL and Saleh will return.....well, I agree with upgrade on OL... but don't kid yourself. Right now all kyle and john want to do is get out of this yr and keep JG from getting injured because of our super krapt OL . Thank God for Trenton and Joe or we would really be a mess. But the central 2/3 of the OL...you are correct...stinks. But the fix is going to be nothing but the best. I see us getting 2 OGs and a C in FA and if one of the 3 is weak, getting that position with our 1st or 2nd pick in the draft. You couldn't ask for a better wheeler dealer than John Lynch and with Kyle, these two guys are excellent in talent evaluation. They missed on the entire OL, plus Joe williams. Kittle and TT have not proved themselves ether. But overall, our talent acquisiton at game #12, has been fantastic....needing 18 starters to begin with and now needing 7...plus we got the one hardest one, FR QB...and not only that, but a great potential starting qB with another couple yrs training . So we disagree only in degree of OL....i guran-damn-tee you the OL will not be a bunch of hacks. Shalyn HAS to protect their FR QB investment. They have to and will not go about it in a shoddy manner. It will be first class based on talent available. But it WILL be functional and by game 1 of 2018, will protect our QB to keep him healthy. As for Saleh, yes , he has had some rough patches this yr, esp with DBs playing off 10-15 yds on 3rd and 5. Also he had no idea how to teach DBs to cover WRs. His method got every single play called for PI. That is bad coaching. but Saleh is green and hopefully he has learned. At least you can agree, the D likes playing for him. The D did NOT like chip nor tomsul . This yr they played even tho really outmanned. They played hard. And that is a tip of the hat to our DC. Maybe we get another, mabye not. But Saleh will be a lot better this coming yr, esp when kyle hires top flite DB coach, DL coach, LB coaches. Right now our coaching looks like one would expect when you have a late HC hire, like we did.

So there it is , Pdiz. Maybe you can't be optimistic, but most of the rest of us, think we are very likely to be a helluva lot better next yr. We know the OL will be fixed, we know we got two starters at DB, we know we need an ER, a LB, and a #1WR. So there is tons to be optimistic about unless you are just a negatoid nancy...which is your privilege. However, when you look at the strides we made from Feb to here with krapt for GM, krapt for HC, OC, DC(not to mention a F.O including owner who were horrid), no starting QB , let alone a FR QB., only FOUR starters, and then we snaked a FR QB.....hell yeah i am optimistic, and hard for me to believe if you consider all the above that you aren't. I guess i would ask pdiz, why are you not? Certainly you can't argue with all the massive improvements we ended up with this yr. Oh yeah, and throw in a pair of winners at HC and GM...(and Qb.) We are alive and kicking and just 7 slots away from getting all starters. We have a top 5 draft pick, plus two extra picks, (oops one wiht JG trade), and all i see is positives and upgrades everywhere but OL...and even there, we ended up with the consensus best RT in the game who is top 3-5 OT overall. Cripes, Pdiz...if you don't like that, then the only thing that will make you happy is egg in your beer with foam in the middle. And i haven't seen much of that around lately.

Oh and as for "this is the worst RAN franchise in all of professional sports", i would suggest you rethink that one. This WAS the worst RAN franchise in all of professional sports. If you didn't notice, we have moved on with HC and GM now running the team not Jedi jed , paraag, et al. This team is finally, 17 yrs later being run like a professional sports franchise. Shame you haven't noticed it yet. Think about the above and maybe your opinion will change...a bit...maybe.

[ Edited by pasodoc9er on Dec 3, 2017 at 9:31 AM ]