Week 10 - Giants @ 49ers

Originally posted by OnTheClock:

This was also the loudest I've heard the stadium get all year. The fans who have been there the past couple of weeks, even when we were losing to Arizona have done their part to make some noise.

Now imagine when the team gets good again

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Originally posted by gold49digger:

Originally posted by Sims19849ers:

Originally posted by gold49digger:
yeah janoris is a solid corner, but he looked like he didn't give a f**k. I'd feel worse as a giants fan than a niners fan right now. At least we're in the process of a rebuild, they have a team that can compete now.

Yes, huge difference in mindsets going into this year. Giants were ready to compete for a division title and are 1-8...we weren't expected to win more than 4 games. They are definitely in a very bad spot right now but have the veteran talent to bounce back immediately next year with a new coach

oh yeah they can be next years rams, have a talented team but need the right coach to get them going.

Harbaugh to the Giants

It's funny you should say this. All the trash talk they said about Harbs when he was the Niners coach,,,,, Now all of them are BEGGING for him to come to the giants.

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:
Ok let's not get ahead of ourselves now. Beathard is not the future of this franchise and he still is a career backup. Just cause we beat the Giants doesn't mean this guy is the second coming lol. This guy will go back to scoring only 10 points and people are gonna ask for jimmy again. Jimmy is the guy not Beathard.

Isn't it way too early to make that call?
I think Beathard could be a good starter in this league.

What makes you think that? Not way too early to make the call Garoppolo is the better an and the future. Nothing shows me that Beathard is gonna be anything. Dude couldn't even score more than 10 points before yesterday and he had everything Hoyer had before all the injuries.

It was only the giants, but it is also way to early to judge anyone, both CJ and Jimmy. Plus not only the injuries, but level of the talent is lacking. Rare are the Brady's or Montana's. Give them sometime and I think they both will do good in this league. I think CJ can be at the very least a Dalton if not better. I say this because they have Kyle as their OC. Coaching can make all the difference in the world to a player. History has shown it.. Even the superstar QB can look average with a pedestrian coach like Luck. Even then, the superstars rarely shine right away. Rogers, Montana, Young, took some developing and growing. Others get put in a positive environment in which everything else was already there.

The key for a QB is that they continue to grow and learn from their experience, cause there are some that start off hot then fizzle, Kaep being the most recent example.

This has to be the best one win season ever. Only got one win and the vast majority of Niners fans couldn't be more excited about what's to come.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Ok let's not get ahead of ourselves now. Beathard is not the future of this franchise and he still is a career backup. Just cause we beat the Giants doesn't mean this guy is the second coming lol. This guy will go back to scoring only 10 points and people are gonna ask for jimmy again. Jimmy is the guy not Beathard.

Isn't it way too early to make that call?
I think Beathard could be a good starter in this league.

What makes you think that? Not way too early to make the call Garoppolo is the better an and the future. Nothing shows me that Beathard is gonna be anything. Dude couldn't even score more than 10 points before yesterday and he had everything Hoyer had before all the injuries.

What makes you think Garoppolo can be good in this league? Tell me what he has proven.

Beathard is a rookie learning a system on the least talented team in the NFL, Hoyer is a 9 year pro with over a year in Shanahan's system. I think Beathard compared well to Hoyer.

It is too soon to write off Beathard.

The fact Jimmy Garoppolo has won games against a. Playoff caliber defense in the cards when he played and was beating Miami until he got injured. I haven't seen Beathard throw three first half tds against anybody. And Garoppolo made those tds with ball placement and not by throwing to wide open receivers. And Beathard didn't compare to Hoyer. At least Hoyer kept us in games. We didn't start to get blown out until bethard took over. And Beathard took over with the same situation his first couple starts so what do you mean?

Originally posted by okdkid:
This has to be the best one win season ever. Only got one win and the vast majority of Niners fans couldn't be more excited about what's to come.

we still have the same issues we had. we just played a team unable or unwilling to exploit those. we will get snapped back to reality vs seattle. i am very glad we got the win. but to many people are getting nuts

Originally posted by FourNine49:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
This was also the loudest I've heard the stadium get all year. The fans who have been there the past couple of weeks, even when we were losing to Arizona have done their part to make some noise.

It's because the tickets are cheap again. We're getting some of the old Candlestick crowd coming to games now

I used my dad's 10 year tickets, but I had an extra friend come to the game for 24 bucks. It's a beautiful thing.

Gonna enjoy this win for 2 weeks

Originally posted by ninerfan4life:

Gonna enjoy this win for 2 weeks

If i can get laid by Saturday before facing SEA i dont want anything for Christmas

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Ok let's not get ahead of ourselves now. Beathard is not the future of this franchise and he still is a career backup. Just cause we beat the Giants doesn't mean this guy is the second coming lol. This guy will go back to scoring only 10 points and people are gonna ask for jimmy again. Jimmy is the guy not Beathard.

Isn't it way too early to make that call?
I think Beathard could be a good starter in this league.

What makes you think that? Not way too early to make the call Garoppolo is the better an and the future. Nothing shows me that Beathard is gonna be anything. Dude couldn't even score more than 10 points before yesterday and he had everything Hoyer had before all the injuries.

What makes you think Garoppolo can be good in this league? Tell me what he has proven.

Beathard is a rookie learning a system on the least talented team in the NFL, Hoyer is a 9 year pro with over a year in Shanahan's system. I think Beathard compared well to Hoyer.

It is too soon to write off Beathard.

The fact Jimmy Garoppolo has won games against a. Playoff caliber defense in the cards when he played and was beating Miami until he got injured. I haven't seen Beathard throw three first half tds against anybody. And Garoppolo made those tds with ball placement and not by throwing to wide open receivers. And Beathard didn't compare to Hoyer. At least Hoyer kept us in games. We didn't start to get blown out until bethard took over. And Beathard took over with the same situation his first couple starts so what do you mean?

Hoyer:
74.1 rating
207.5 YPG passing
4 TD, 4 INT passing
1 TD, 3 fumbles rushing

Beathard:
70.8 rating
204.8 yards per game passing
4 TD, 5 INT passing
3 TDs, 2 fumbles rushing

7 TDs to 5 TDs in two less starts, similar ratings, similar yards per game.

Beathard > Hoyer despite Hoyer's 9 years in the NFL and previous experience running Shanahan's offense.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Ok let's not get ahead of ourselves now. Beathard is not the future of this franchise and he still is a career backup. Just cause we beat the Giants doesn't mean this guy is the second coming lol. This guy will go back to scoring only 10 points and people are gonna ask for jimmy again. Jimmy is the guy not Beathard.

Isn't it way too early to make that call?
I think Beathard could be a good starter in this league.

What makes you think that? Not way too early to make the call Garoppolo is the better an and the future. Nothing shows me that Beathard is gonna be anything. Dude couldn't even score more than 10 points before yesterday and he had everything Hoyer had before all the injuries.

What makes you think Garoppolo can be good in this league? Tell me what he has proven.

Beathard is a rookie learning a system on the least talented team in the NFL, Hoyer is a 9 year pro with over a year in Shanahan's system. I think Beathard compared well to Hoyer.

It is too soon to write off Beathard.

The fact Jimmy Garoppolo has won games against a. Playoff caliber defense in the cards when he played and was beating Miami until he got injured. I haven't seen Beathard throw three first half tds against anybody. And Garoppolo made those tds with ball placement and not by throwing to wide open receivers. And Beathard didn't compare to Hoyer. At least Hoyer kept us in games. We didn't start to get blown out until bethard took over. And Beathard took over with the same situation his first couple starts so what do you mean?

Hoyer:
74.1 rating
207.5 YPG passing
4 TD, 4 INT passing
1 TD, 3 fumbles rushing

Beathard:
70.8 rating
204.8 yards per game passing
4 TD, 5 INT passing
3 TDs, 2 fumbles rushing

7 TDs to 5 TDs in two less starts, similar ratings, similar yards per game.

Beathard > Hoyer despite Hoyer's 9 years in the NFL and previous experience running Shanahan's offense.

Well if you're going to say that then:
Hoyer: 17.8 points per game, 89 points total
Beathard: 10.25 points per game, 41 points total

Clearly the offense was running better with Hoyer than with Beathard regardless of how many tds both scored. I didn't include the redskins game cause they both split it.

Yeah Hoyer has ONE more game started but that doesn't make that much of a difference.

And if you really wanna get technical:
Hoyer: -31 point differential
Beathard: -73 point differential

I will say this, this team has the potential of having an elite defense. With Tartt, Witherspoon, Foster, Buckner and Blair, they're not as far off as I thought they were. They still need two more LB's, a corner, and a LEO, but theyre on the way up.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

I will say this, this team has the potential of having an elite defense. With Tartt, Witherspoon, Foster, Buckner and Blair, they're not as far off as I thought they were. They still need two more LB's, a corner, and a LEO, but theyre on the way up.

We got a helluva amount of cash and Malcolm Smith is coming back.
Hope to nail 2/4 atleast in FA to setup other two in draft.

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Ok let's not get ahead of ourselves now. Beathard is not the future of this franchise and he still is a career backup. Just cause we beat the Giants doesn't mean this guy is the second coming lol. This guy will go back to scoring only 10 points and people are gonna ask for jimmy again. Jimmy is the guy not Beathard.

Isn't it way too early to make that call?
I think Beathard could be a good starter in this league.

What makes you think that? Not way too early to make the call Garoppolo is the better an and the future. Nothing shows me that Beathard is gonna be anything. Dude couldn't even score more than 10 points before yesterday and he had everything Hoyer had before all the injuries.

What makes you think Garoppolo can be good in this league? Tell me what he has proven.

Beathard is a rookie learning a system on the least talented team in the NFL, Hoyer is a 9 year pro with over a year in Shanahan's system. I think Beathard compared well to Hoyer.

It is too soon to write off Beathard.

The fact Jimmy Garoppolo has won games against a. Playoff caliber defense in the cards when he played and was beating Miami until he got injured. I haven't seen Beathard throw three first half tds against anybody. And Garoppolo made those tds with ball placement and not by throwing to wide open receivers. And Beathard didn't compare to Hoyer. At least Hoyer kept us in games. We didn't start to get blown out until bethard took over. And Beathard took over with the same situation his first couple starts so what do you mean?

Hoyer:
74.1 rating
207.5 YPG passing
4 TD, 4 INT passing
1 TD, 3 fumbles rushing

Beathard:
70.8 rating
204.8 yards per game passing
4 TD, 5 INT passing
3 TDs, 2 fumbles rushing

7 TDs to 5 TDs in two less starts, similar ratings, similar yards per game.

Beathard > Hoyer despite Hoyer's 9 years in the NFL and previous experience running Shanahan's offense.

Well if you're going to say that then:
Hoyer: 17.8 points per game, 89 points total
Beathard: 10.25 points per game, 41 points total

Clearly the offense was running better with Hoyer than with Beathard regardless of how many tds both scored. I didn't include the redskins game cause they both split it.

Yeah Hoyer has ONE more game started but that doesn't make that much of a difference.

And if you really wanna get technical:
Hoyer: -31 point differential
Beathard: -73 point differential

I am comparing quarterback play with measurables under control of the qb.
Hoywr has six starts, Beathard has 4, two less than Hoyer.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by TheRealGM:

Ok let's not get ahead of ourselves now. Beathard is not the future of this franchise and he still is a career backup. Just cause we beat the Giants doesn't mean this guy is the second coming lol. This guy will go back to scoring only 10 points and people are gonna ask for jimmy again. Jimmy is the guy not Beathard.

Isn't it way too early to make that call?
I think Beathard could be a good starter in this league.

What makes you think that? Not way too early to make the call Garoppolo is the better an and the future. Nothing shows me that Beathard is gonna be anything. Dude couldn't even score more than 10 points before yesterday and he had everything Hoyer had before all the injuries.

What makes you think Garoppolo can be good in this league? Tell me what he has proven.

Beathard is a rookie learning a system on the least talented team in the NFL, Hoyer is a 9 year pro with over a year in Shanahan's system. I think Beathard compared well to Hoyer.

It is too soon to write off Beathard.

The fact Jimmy Garoppolo has won games against a. Playoff caliber defense in the cards when he played and was beating Miami until he got injured. I haven't seen Beathard throw three first half tds against anybody. And Garoppolo made those tds with ball placement and not by throwing to wide open receivers. And Beathard didn't compare to Hoyer. At least Hoyer kept us in games. We didn't start to get blown out until bethard took over. And Beathard took over with the same situation his first couple starts so what do you mean?

Hoyer:
74.1 rating
207.5 YPG passing
4 TD, 4 INT passing
1 TD, 3 fumbles rushing

Beathard:
70.8 rating
204.8 yards per game passing
4 TD, 5 INT passing
3 TDs, 2 fumbles rushing

7 TDs to 5 TDs in two less starts, similar ratings, similar yards per game.

Beathard > Hoyer despite Hoyer's 9 years in the NFL and previous experience running Shanahan's offense.

Well if you're going to say that then:
Hoyer: 17.8 points per game, 89 points total
Beathard: 10.25 points per game, 41 points total

Clearly the offense was running better with Hoyer than with Beathard regardless of how many tds both scored. I didn't include the redskins game cause they both split it.

Yeah Hoyer has ONE more game started but that doesn't make that much of a difference.

And if you really wanna get technical:
Hoyer: -31 point differential
Beathard: -73 point differential

I am comparing quarterback play with measurables under control of the qb.
Hoywr has six starts, Beathard has 4, two less than Hoyer.

That makes no sense. The operation of the offense is under the control of the Qb. The qb has to operate the offense in order to score points. Even though Hoyer started the redskins game he got replaced and didn't finish so his stats could've improved or went down. Plus you included the tds Beathard scored in the redskins game so if you wanna go by starts remove those tds from his total.

Or if you want compare Boyer's first 4 starts with Beathard first 4 starts. Either way it's clear Hoyer was running the offense better.