Keep in mind Jed York is a business man, he is not a football man, he cares about ROI

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Revenue is revenue. and this type of Rev it's shared.

The players salary cap is determined by a % of all shared revenue. The unused amount is not shared. Players salaries are not part of team revenue.

Further more the 89% team spending rule is over a 4 year term. The new spending window is from 2017-2020.

If the 49ers want to spend only 75% of the cap in 2017 they can. As long as they end up spending the 89% by the end of 2020 they pay nothing back to any players.

Nothing of what you're saying is part of a teams shared revenue.

So shared revenue thats not used is not shared revenue anymore ?

again if that were true then no one would roll it over.

About 60% of revenue is shared, mostly from the shared national TV contracts.
Salaries are paid after revenue has been shared.

thank you brick

I am not sure why you are struggling to grasp what SoCold is explaining.

He said the team wasn't pocketing the cash. we are past you silly comment on something new.

it's the reason you disappeared

If you care here is the exact amount from the CBA that is calculated from AR (all revenue)

The CBA Percentage is as follows: Players receive 55% of AR (Media), 45% of AR (NFL Venture/Post Season) and 40% of AR (Local). Overall, the players receive between 47% and 48.5% of total revenue. More specifically, in years 2012-2014 the overall percentage is capped at 48%. For years 2015-2020 the percentage is capped at 48.5%.

So the NFL compiles all revenue and applies their formula to find exactly how much the 48.5% works out to. This gives us the new ceiling cap space number.

For 2017 the number is $167m.

Take Carolina who has the highest payroll. They rolled over about $13m from last year and have a total adjusted cap of about $179m. Their total cap is about $172m. They have about $7m in cap space.

So the easiest way I can think of to clear up any confusion is to think of the Cap Space as money left in the teams "pocket". They can choose to use it or not. It's either used or unused.

Hope this helps. If not you can find the 10 page breakdown of the CBA cap space online and read through it yourself.

That 7 gets rolled over to next year

The point you're not grasping is that is doesn't have to and not required to. It's up to the team how much they want to have available.

If they choose to only roll over $2m of that then they would save $5m they could never spend.

Oh I got it, you're not getting that the portion left over goes back into the shared pot

Originally posted by SoCold:
You are not following. Never said they did pocket it. Others have. That's wrong. They don't need to roll over. They can. It's not lost. It's just unused.

Paraag has manipulated the cap to spend the second least amount over the last few years. This is why they have the second most to spend in cap space. It's pretty simple.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:

You are not following. Never said they did pocket it. Others have. That's wrong. They don't need to roll over. They can. It's not lost. It's just unused.

Paraag has manipulated the cap to spend the second least amount over the last few years. This is why they have the second most to spend in cap space. It's pretty simple.

also losing 14 starters in one off season will clear up a ton of cap space (and replacing them with busted rookies)...prior to that SF wasn't "hording" all this money.

I think people believe Jed's has final say with everything and honestly I don't believe that. Football decisions have been with Baalke/Paraag for the past 5+ yrs. Baalke has stated in the past he doesn't like paying for top FAs.

We will see what the new FO does in the off season.

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Revenue is revenue. and this type of Rev it's shared.

The players salary cap is determined by a % of all shared revenue. The unused amount is not shared. Players salaries are not part of team revenue.

Further more the 89% team spending rule is over a 4 year term. The new spending window is from 2017-2020.

If the 49ers want to spend only 75% of the cap in 2017 they can. As long as they end up spending the 89% by the end of 2020 they pay nothing back to any players.

Nothing of what you're saying is part of a teams shared revenue.

So shared revenue thats not used is not shared revenue anymore ?

again if that were true then no one would roll it over.

About 60% of revenue is shared, mostly from the shared national TV contracts.
Salaries are paid after revenue has been shared.

thank you brick

I am not sure why you are struggling to grasp what SoCold is explaining.

He said the team wasn't pocketing the cash. we are past you silly comment on something new.

it's the reason you disappeared

If you care here is the exact amount from the CBA that is calculated from AR (all revenue)

The CBA Percentage is as follows: Players receive 55% of AR (Media), 45% of AR (NFL Venture/Post Season) and 40% of AR (Local). Overall, the players receive between 47% and 48.5% of total revenue. More specifically, in years 2012-2014 the overall percentage is capped at 48%. For years 2015-2020 the percentage is capped at 48.5%.

So the NFL compiles all revenue and applies their formula to find exactly how much the 48.5% works out to. This gives us the new ceiling cap space number.

For 2017 the number is $167m.

Take Carolina who has the highest payroll. They rolled over about $13m from last year and have a total adjusted cap of about $179m. Their total cap is about $172m. They have about $7m in cap space.

So the easiest way I can think of to clear up any confusion is to think of the Cap Space as money left in the teams "pocket". They can choose to use it or not. It's either used or unused.

Hope this helps. If not you can find the 10 page breakdown of the CBA cap space online and read through it yourself.

That 7 gets rolled over to next year

The point you're not grasping is that is doesn't have to and not required to. It's up to the team how much they want to have available.

If they choose to only roll over $2m of that then they would save $5m they could never spend.

Oh I got it, you're not getting that the portion left over goes back into the shared pot

No. It does not. There is no shared pot for players salary. Once the amount is set it's set. Teams use the amount they want within the limits for that year. The following year the numbers are reset with a new cap.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by SoCold:

You are not following. Never said they did pocket it. Others have. That's wrong. They don't need to roll over. They can. It's not lost. It's just unused.

Paraag has manipulated the cap to spend the second least amount over the last few years. This is why they have the second most to spend in cap space. It's pretty simple.

also losing 14 starters in one off season will clear up a ton of cap space (and replacing them with busted rookies)...prior to that SF wasn't "hording" all this money.

I think people believe Jed's has final say with everything and honestly I don't believe that. Football decisions have been with Baalke/Paraag for the past 5+ yrs. Baalke has stated in the past he doesn't like paying for top FAs.

We will see what the new FO does in the off season.

We already have seen an off-season with this FO.

My point was that the 49ees spend the least amount of money on players and it shows.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
The Jed York threads are where all the whiners go to congregate and pat each other on the back

Originally posted by 9erred:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
The Jed York threads are where all the whiners go to congregate and pat each other on the back

The buck always stops with the owner. "Continuity and consistency is ideal in any organization. The prime example in football is the Pittsburgh Steelers. They've had three head coaches since 1969. The difference between Pittsburgh and San Francisco is that the Steelers have established, and nurtured, a winning culture."

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

We already have seen an off-season with this FO.

My point was that the 49ees spend the least amount of money on players and it shows.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Players we have were the ones available and are being paid to what they are worth. Nothing we can do on that until we get this build in the right direction which looks like it is

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Players we have were the ones available and are being paid to what they are worth. Nothing we can do on that until we get this build in the right direction which looks like it is

Nah dude they only get one off season to change this s**t team around didn't you know that lol??

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Players we have were the ones available and are being paid to what they are worth. Nothing we can do on that until we get this build in the right direction which looks like it is

Nah dude they only get one off season to change this s**t team around didn't you know that lol??

what only one off season !, we're screwed lol

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Revenue is revenue. and this type of Rev it's shared.

The players salary cap is determined by a % of all shared revenue. The unused amount is not shared. Players salaries are not part of team revenue.

Further more the 89% team spending rule is over a 4 year term. The new spending window is from 2017-2020.

If the 49ers want to spend only 75% of the cap in 2017 they can. As long as they end up spending the 89% by the end of 2020 they pay nothing back to any players.

Nothing of what you're saying is part of a teams shared revenue.

So shared revenue thats not used is not shared revenue anymore ?

again if that were true then no one would roll it over.

About 60% of revenue is shared, mostly from the shared national TV contracts.
Salaries are paid after revenue has been shared.

thank you brick

I am not sure why you are struggling to grasp what SoCold is explaining.

He said the team wasn't pocketing the cash. we are past you silly comment on something new.

it's the reason you disappeared

If you care here is the exact amount from the CBA that is calculated from AR (all revenue)

The CBA Percentage is as follows: Players receive 55% of AR (Media), 45% of AR (NFL Venture/Post Season) and 40% of AR (Local). Overall, the players receive between 47% and 48.5% of total revenue. More specifically, in years 2012-2014 the overall percentage is capped at 48%. For years 2015-2020 the percentage is capped at 48.5%.

So the NFL compiles all revenue and applies their formula to find exactly how much the 48.5% works out to. This gives us the new ceiling cap space number.

For 2017 the number is $167m.

Take Carolina who has the highest payroll. They rolled over about $13m from last year and have a total adjusted cap of about $179m. Their total cap is about $172m. They have about $7m in cap space.

So the easiest way I can think of to clear up any confusion is to think of the Cap Space as money left in the teams "pocket". They can choose to use it or not. It's either used or unused.

Hope this helps. If not you can find the 10 page breakdown of the CBA cap space online and read through it yourself.

That 7 gets rolled over to next year

The point you're not grasping is that is doesn't have to and not required to. It's up to the team how much they want to have available.

If they choose to only roll over $2m of that then they would save $5m they could never spend.

Oh I got it, you're not getting that the portion left over goes back into the shared pot

No. It does not. There is no shared pot for players salary. Once the amount is set it's set. Teams use the amount they want within the limits for that year. The following year the numbers are reset with a new cap.

Again if that were true, teams don't need to roll over anything after which is not the case. It's also stated that teams lose what they don't roll over

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

We already have seen an off-season with this FO.

My point was that the 49ees spend the least amount of money on players and it shows.

According to over the cap they spent $131.7 million on new contracts (over the life of those contracts) now a lot of those contracts outside of garçon/smith/juice aren't long-term and have easy outs.

That looks like they spent some money to me.... If you magically think one off seaon would have corrected the dumpster fire Baalke left this team then you're not realistic. Who were all those top end FAs that are currently worth their contracts?

How's that NY team doing after throwing money all over the place?