Week 5 2017: Thoughts after rewatching the game... | Page 5

Marvin49 · 2017-10-10T10:41:01-07:00

1) Hoyer: This is the kind of game that defines the reason why you don't decide how a player played in the game solely by a stat line. In fairness, he did make some good throws and there were a few drops, but it is abundantly clear he ain't the guy. Thats not a shocker. Just statement of fact. 2) Offensive Scheme: I am so excited to see where this offense goes once they have more pieces. Watching the games it seems like Kyle is scheming the hell out of the games and he is just one block here, one catch there or a better throw away from really having something. They have little bursts where you se guys wide open in space and they move down the field with ease and then they have spurts where they can't do anything. This team is on the right track. There is no question in my mind. 3) Defensive Scheme: I would say the same is true on the defensive side of the ball but a bit less so. When they hired Saleh I thought he's be something of a placeholder for possibly hiring Vic Fangio when he breaks loose next year. I still think thats a possibility, but now I kinda doubt it. They have completely changed the scheme. The young D-Linemen (especially #99...more on that later) are thriving. I don't know that you would want to switch back to another scheme. I have been pleasantly surprised so far by Saleh, but he has the same challenges that Kyle does. You can scheme all you want, but if you don't have the horses, it ain't gonna happen. 4) DeForest Buckner: Monster. Plain and simple. 5) Carlos Hyde: I'm a fan. I really like the guy. He can't stay healthy. Its maddening. Its ALWAYS SOMETHING with Carlos. He'll have a monster game and then disappear. I know he was limited in his opportunities this week, but he's clearly not the same right now. He's a FA after the season and right now I can't see them putting big money into retaining him. To be honest, I've had my eye on #26 at Penn State but I'll save that for a conversation at another time. 6) Tartt: He still makes mistakes, but he is a big part of the future. In fact, he more than any other reason might be why Eric Reid doesn't get a long term deal in SF. Really seeing him coming into his own. He did totally screw up on the first TD and thats going to happen from time to time, but the guy is a player. 7) Ray Ray: Another due who drives me crazy. On one play he looks outstanding. On the next I think he's brain dead. Guy has the athletic ability, but I can't wait till he's no longer in the starting lineup. I sense a 5AVA6E coming back soon. :) 8) Arik Armstead: Miscast. I don't know how good he can be in another scheme or in different role in this one, but he's totally miscast as a Leo. That isn't exactly a revelation either. He is a good NFL player trying to do something he's not suited for. I would be interested how he would play bigger, inside beside Buckner. Problem is that Solomon Thomas and Earl Mitchell seem to fit best there too. My guess is Armstead is on another team as early as next year and he'll play well for that new team. 9) WR: This will be an emphasis in the offseason, but I have to say I like the signing of Garcon much more now. Dude is a stud. I hope he has several years left in the tank to be a part of the future. Goodwin I like but its clear he's limited. IMO he should not be a starting player but should be a role player. Really like what I've seen from Trent Taylor. 10) Jed/Anthem/Jerry Jones: Two weeks in a row I'm going down the political path because I don't really think I have a choice...but this is a bit different. I'm not going to comment on whether players should/should not protest or if teams should or should not let them. I clearly have an opinion that would likely not surprise many of you but I actually think there is a football aspect to this that might be interesting to watch. The NFL is supposedly "discussing" rule changes to require player to stand for the anthem. The reality is that it would likely be argued against by the NFLPA and if it went to court would likely be shot down outright. No legal grounds to force a player to stand for the Anthem. As such, where individual owners stand on the issue will be noticed by players as the process moves forward. Jerry Jones has already stated where he stands. I can't imagine thats popular with players. Jed York has made comments on where he stands. My guess is players will notice that as well. As free agency looms and you are a good player in the NFL who happens to agree with the stance the players are taking, are you more likely to sign in SF with an owner that has publicly supported you or and owner in Dallas who wants to force you to stand? SF also has a young HC who can relate to players with a brilliant offensive mind. Don't be surprised if under the surface the political battle thats brewing on NFL sidelines makes players choose a location and an owner that support their beliefs. Just sayin',

Oct 10, 2017 at 8:52 PM

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SammyFrancisco
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Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:

Originally posted by jcs:
How is this on Potus??...NFL has literally lost over 20% in viewership. Merchandising is down and people are now canceling their subscriptions for games on tv, pc, radio. The fans have spoken and it's been going on for over a year.
I wasn't fully aware of these stats? How clearly are these declines attributable to the protests? iirc, ratings were already trending down before Kap started doing his thing--as result of health concerns (CTE, etc), and consequently fewer young people being encouraged to play football therefore never becoming fans. Not to mention crap like the Ray Rice fiasco (2014).

It's sad to see NFL tending downward, cuz I love the game so much; For my money, it is the best spectator sport by miles. Personally, the protests don't affect my view of the game; I support the players on this issue, and even if I didn't agree with them I'd respect their right to peacefully protest as they see fit. Honestly, if they were mandated to stand up, that might make me stop watching. But I don't think the NFL could do that nor would the players stand for it (see what I did there?).

Sorry for going off-topic w/ politics-related stuff. (Marvin, thanks as always for your awesome write-ups!) But I came across articles that noted ratings are down across the board for major sports (NBA and NASCAR anyway), not to mention TV watching in general is down (so much other media to compete with). My point being that it's nearly impossible to truly quantify the affect of the protests on the NFL's ratings.

Oct 10, 2017 at 9:27 PM

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jcs
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Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:

Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:

Originally posted by jcs:
How is this on Potus??...NFL has literally lost over 20% in viewership. Merchandising is down and people are now canceling their subscriptions for games on tv, pc, radio. The fans have spoken and it's been going on for over a year.
I wasn't fully aware of these stats? How clearly are these declines attributable to the protests? iirc, ratings were already trending down before Kap started doing his thing--as result of health concerns (CTE, etc), and consequently fewer young people being encouraged to play football therefore never becoming fans. Not to mention crap like the Ray Rice fiasco (2014).

It's sad to see NFL tending downward, cuz I love the game so much; For my money, it is the best spectator sport by miles. Personally, the protests don't affect my view of the game; I support the players on this issue, and even if I didn't agree with them I'd respect their right to peacefully protest as they see fit. Honestly, if they were mandated to stand up, that might make me stop watching. But I don't think the NFL could do that nor would the players stand for it (see what I did there?).

Sorry for going off-topic w/ politics-related stuff. (Marvin, thanks as always for your awesome write-ups!) But I came across articles that noted ratings are down across the board for major sports (NBA and NASCAR anyway), not to mention TV watching in general is down (so much other media to compete with). My point being that it's nearly impossible to truly quantify the affect of the protests on the NFL's ratings.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20171611/national-anthem-protests-no-1-reason-viewers-tuned-nfl-games

Oct 11, 2017 at 9:23 AM

#63

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Originally posted by Marvin49:

5) Carlos Hyde: I'm a fan. I really like the guy. He can't stay healthy. Its maddening. Its ALWAYS SOMETHING with Carlos. He'll have a monster game and then disappear. I know he was limited in his opportunities this week, but he's clearly not the same right now. He's a FA after the season and right now I can't see them putting big money into retaining him. To be honest, I've had my eye on #26 at Penn State but I'll save that for a conversation at another time.

Thanks for your continued posts, Marvin. Great work.

It is a little early to postulate on a Kirk Cousins reunion with Kyle Shanahan out west, but wouldn't that be nice? Consider an off-season that includes Kirk Cousins, Saquon Barkley (draft), and continued investment in interior guard and WR?

Oct 11, 2017 at 11:12 AM

#64

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Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:

Originally posted by SammyFrancisco:

Originally posted by jcs:
How is this on Potus??...NFL has literally lost over 20% in viewership. Merchandising is down and people are now canceling their subscriptions for games on tv, pc, radio. The fans have spoken and it's been going on for over a year.
I wasn't fully aware of these stats? How clearly are these declines attributable to the protests? iirc, ratings were already trending down before Kap started doing his thing--as result of health concerns (CTE, etc), and consequently fewer young people being encouraged to play football therefore never becoming fans. Not to mention crap like the Ray Rice fiasco (2014).

It's sad to see NFL tending downward, cuz I love the game so much; For my money, it is the best spectator sport by miles. Personally, the protests don't affect my view of the game; I support the players on this issue, and even if I didn't agree with them I'd respect their right to peacefully protest as they see fit. Honestly, if they were mandated to stand up, that might make me stop watching. But I don't think the NFL could do that nor would the players stand for it (see what I did there?).

Sorry for going off-topic w/ politics-related stuff. (Marvin, thanks as always for your awesome write-ups!) But I came across articles that noted ratings are down across the board for major sports (NBA and NASCAR anyway), not to mention TV watching in general is down (so much other media to compete with). My point being that it's nearly impossible to truly quantify the affect of the protests on the NFL's ratings.

http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20171611/national-anthem-protests-no-1-reason-viewers-tuned-nfl-games

Mark Cuban predicted this years before the current protests began: "Hogs get slaughtered!" was the general gist.

1) Nearly half a century of free, broadcast Monday Night Football made Pay-TV;
2) Games in London, Mexico City (only the beginning, Beijing coming up) that screw up teams' schedules;
3) Taxpayer dollars being extorted into owners' pockets all over the country for stadiums. Even bond issues which teams pay back are tax-exempt, thus costing taxpayers money;
4) Exorbitant athletes' pay. People who spend years paying off student loans just cannot understand this, and athletes are much higher profile than corporate execs.

The protests have served as a catalyst if you will, or an excuse, for a disconnect between ordinary people's lives and the NFL that has been growing for years erupting to the surface.

Oct 11, 2017 at 12:35 PM

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Marvin49
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Originally posted by bzborow1:

Originally posted by Marvin49:

5) Carlos Hyde: I'm a fan. I really like the guy. He can't stay healthy. Its maddening. Its ALWAYS SOMETHING with Carlos. He'll have a monster game and then disappear. I know he was limited in his opportunities this week, but he's clearly not the same right now. He's a FA after the season and right now I can't see them putting big money into retaining him. To be honest, I've had my eye on #26 at Penn State but I'll save that for a conversation at another time.

Thanks for your continued posts, Marvin. Great work.

It is a little early to postulate on a Kirk Cousins reunion with Kyle Shanahan out west, but wouldn't that be nice? Consider an off-season that includes Kirk Cousins, Saquon Barkley (draft), and continued investment in interior guard and WR?

That....

....had occurred to me. :)

Reality tho to me is that I kinda doubt a Shanahan would take a RB that high as one of their strengths is fining guys later in the draft...but it's fun to think about.

Oct 11, 2017 at 2:07 PM

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Carlos is good... Im intrigued to sign him to a contract you know you can easily dump in a trade down the road if you want.

Feeling the same about Reid, maybe Tank if AA is traded... We got the cap space.

Oct 12, 2017 at 10:45 AM

#67

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Originally posted by jcs:
Doesn't matter now...sounds like NFL is going to mandate standing for the anthem....

This is heading to court for sure, and I don't see how the NFL wins on this one.

Oct 12, 2017 at 4:57 PM

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#10, thats an interesting point that could go a long way when it comes to players of Desean Jackson, Mike Evans, Shady and others of their stature and choosing a landing spot. And especially Cowgirl players who at the first chance will want out of Dallas, they could remember which owners took a different approach than Jerry's heavy handedness. Could work in our favor down the road.

Oct 12, 2017 at 5:08 PM

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Originally posted by VDpwndMjenkins:
#10, thats an interesting point that could go a long way when it comes to players of Desean Jackson, Mike Evans, Shady and others of their stature and choosing a landing spot. And especially Cowgirl players who at the first chance will want out of Dallas, they could remember which owners took a different approach than Jerry's heavy handedness. Could work in our favor down the road.

Demarcus Lawrence! Ill gamble

Oct 12, 2017 at 6:51 PM

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Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
This is heading to court for sure, and I don't see how the NFL wins on this one.

I really don't care about the protesting, but what I don't see how the NFL can lose if it goes to court. If an employee at a restaurant told off a customer for wearing a Trump shirt, it is their right to do so, but there is still a good chance they get fired. It's no different in the NFL, the players are paid employees at their place if business.

Oct 12, 2017 at 6:59 PM

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Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by jcs:
Doesn't matter now...sounds like NFL is going to mandate standing for the anthem....
This is heading to court for sure, and I don't see how the NFL wins on this one.

they wont unless they want to go against supreme court

Oct 12, 2017 at 7:44 PM

#72

pdizo916
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Originally posted by leakyfausett:
I applaud you Marvin for being able to stomach re-watching these games.

these games aren't as bad. The last two years were horrible.

Oct 12, 2017 at 8:06 PM

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Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by leakyfausett:
I applaud you Marvin for being able to stomach re-watching these games.

these games aren't as bad. The last two years were horrible.

were able to stay with every team and considering the talent thats an accopmlishment in itself ( i would argue colts have a worse roster but i am talking in general)

Oct 13, 2017 at 7:52 AM

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jcs
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Originally posted by harryj:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by jcs:
Doesn't matter now...sounds like NFL is going to mandate standing for the anthem....
This is heading to court for sure, and I don't see how the NFL wins on this one.

they wont unless they want to go against supreme court

Players would lose....freedom of speech doesn't protect you from a private employer.

Oct 13, 2017 at 7:56 AM

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Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by harryj:
Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Originally posted by jcs:
Doesn't matter now...sounds like NFL is going to mandate standing for the anthem....
This is heading to court for sure, and I don't see how the NFL wins on this one.

they wont unless they want to go against supreme court
Players would lose....freedom of speech doesn't protect you from a private employer.

Yeah, it just depends on what was signed and language within the CBA.