Are the Niners improving?

Originally posted by cciowa:

in other words. moral victories is now our bar. sad.the bottom line is wins and losses along with improving. somewhere along the line you better start to have success or the players lose faith in the coaches big time. sorry but many of us see the same crap we saw in pre season. terrible secondary. terrible pass rush. dropped balls. penalties which kill our drives and extend drives for the other team. and yes bad offensive line play

lol I understand that when you analyze something, you look at the issues and how they can be addressed (I'm the same way typically), but you could also be optimisticlly critical.

It seems like you're always posting "the worlds on fire" kind of things.

I'm not attacking you man, and you can live how ever you want. I am just saying that you might want to try being a little more optimistic. It's better for your health lol.

More "it can be done and is heading in that direction" and less "the whole worlds done gone to hell!"

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

we do look better but the talent on the roster just isnt there yet, and it wont be for another year or two

Agree

The good news is we haven't lost due to a talent devoid...we've lost due to untimely penalties, refs, key injuries, mental mistakes, 4th downs and turnovers, etc.

We couldn't say that the last two years.

Naturally, we're still missing some key talent (QB, C, G, ZWR, ER, ILB, CB) and more experience in these two systems but we're certainly building onto the foundation.

Injuries caught up to the defense a short week, but after the first Hyde TD run I could tell that the offense turned the corner. The clutch catches that Goodwin made should be a huge confidence boost for him and the entire offense. 75% of the game is mental and the other 25% is physical ability.

Oline needs to be shored up because Hoyer is still taking too many hits, but I think our offense and especially our Special Teams are much better than last year. They just look leagues more explosive than previous years.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by cciowa:
in other words. moral victories is now our bar. sad.the bottom line is wins and losses along with improving. somewhere along the line you better start to have success or the players lose faith in the coaches big time. sorry but many of us see the same crap we saw in pre season. terrible secondary. terrible pass rush. dropped balls. penalties which kill our drives and extend drives for the other team. and yes bad offensive line play

lol I understand that when you analyze something, you look at the issues and how they can be addressed (I'm the same way typically), but you could also be optimisticlly critical.

It seems like you're always posting "the worlds on fire" kind of things.

I'm not attacking you man, and you can live how ever you want. I am just saying that you might want to try being a little more optimistic. It's better for your health lol.

More "it can be done and is heading in that direction" and less "the whole worlds done gone to hell!"

everything i said in my post is happening. i did not make it up., it is fact. how you view it is up to you but i choose not to view those bad things our team is doing and has been doing since pre season. as optimistic

Originally posted by NCommand:
The good news is we haven't lost due to a talent devoid...we've lost due to untimely penalties, refs, key injuries, mental mistakes, 4th downs and turnovers, etc.

We couldn't say that the last two years.

Naturally, we're still missing some key talent (QB, C, G, ZWR, ER, ILB, CB) and more experience in these two systems but we're certainly building onto the foundation.

coaching like lets have elvis and lynch set. and do not start with refs costing us. that is always a nice deflection to take away from poor play and poor coaching

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by Baldie:

Originally posted by Bluesbro:

Originally posted by Team49ers:

Yes we are improving. Played the seahawks tough AT seattle, its refreshing compared to the last few years. Special teams is doing their thing. Niners offense put plenty of points on the board with hoyer at QB. I know shanny has a complex offense but i didnt expect much from Hoyer anyway, i would be disappointed if beathard was the one throwing a INT 3 games in a row and playing crappy like hoyer is. I dont think Hoyer has another game like he did against the rams. Hoyer probably gonna game manage most games rest of the way, maybe he will have one more 300+ yard game.

What are you basing this on? I don't expect him to ever be elite, but game manage? With Shanahan calling the plays?

When Hoyer played in CHI, weren't in almost all his games he threw for over 300+ yards? Shanahan calls plays to put up points.

Hoyer avg. 240 ypg had 6 TDs and 0 INT
Bears OL also ranked in the top 10 for pass blocking last year.

We simply don't have the OL to make up for Hoyer's lack of talent.

Hoyer sucked with Shanahan in Cleveland, he was better under Turner and Loggains.

Originally posted by cciowa:

in other words. moral victories is now our bar. sad.the bottom line is wins and losses along with improving. somewhere along the line you better start to have success or the players lose faith in the coaches big time. sorry but many of us see the same crap we saw in pre season. terrible secondary. terrible pass rush. dropped balls. penalties which kill our drives and extend drives for the other team. and yes bad offensive line play

Agreed, it's sad that fan base is okay with losers. 3-20 is the record in the last 23 games and the slick talking gm and his boy toy coach is winless. yah real improvement.

They haven't improved in the two key areas you need to to win in the NFL, QB and passrush. I don't care if you have all-pros up and down the lineup. If you don't have good quarterback play and if you can't get to the opposing quarterback you'll never be anything but mediocre.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by cciowa:

in other words. moral victories is now our bar. sad.the bottom line is wins and losses along with improving. somewhere along the line you better start to have success or the players lose faith in the coaches big time. sorry but many of us see the same crap we saw in pre season. terrible secondary. terrible pass rush. dropped balls. penalties which kill our drives and extend drives for the other team. and yes bad offensive line play

Agreed, it's sad that fan base is okay with losers. 3-20 is the record in the last 23 games and the slick talking gm and his boy toy coach is winless. yah real improvement.

Yup worst roster in the league and most cap space with a noob gm and noob coaching and an empty brand new stadium. We fell hard.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by cciowa:

in other words. moral victories is now our bar. sad.the bottom line is wins and losses along with improving. somewhere along the line you better start to have success or the players lose faith in the coaches big time. sorry but many of us see the same crap we saw in pre season. terrible secondary. terrible pass rush. dropped balls. penalties which kill our drives and extend drives for the other team. and yes bad offensive line play

Agreed, it's sad that fan base is okay with losers. 3-20 is the record in the last 23 games and the slick talking gm and his boy toy coach is winless. yah real improvement.

Yup worst roster in the league and most cap space with a noob gm and noob coaching and an empty brand new stadium. We fell hard.

West coast browns. Every game i expect to lose yah great improvement. I want winners !!!

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by cciowa:
in other words. moral victories is now our bar. sad.the bottom line is wins and losses along with improving. somewhere along the line you better start to have success or the players lose faith in the coaches big time. sorry but many of us see the same crap we saw in pre season. terrible secondary. terrible pass rush. dropped balls. penalties which kill our drives and extend drives for the other team. and yes bad offensive line play

Agreed, it's sad that fan base is okay with losers. 3-20 is the record in the last 23 games and the slick talking gm and his boy toy coach is winless. yah real improvement.

Yup worst roster in the league and most cap space with a noob gm and noob coaching and an empty brand new stadium. We fell hard.

i would like to know why jr is not using his running backs and his high priced full back to catch passes out of the back field like we were told he was going to.

Originally posted by WerschingMachine:
They haven't improved in the two key areas you need to to win in the NFL, QB and passrush. I don't care if you have all-pros up and down the lineup. If you don't have good quarterback play and if you can't get to the opposing quarterback you'll never be anything but mediocre.

they knew about the pass rush and secondary issues in pre season. the solution was to sign asa and to dump brooks.. i am sure somewhere it was the refs fault they did that

Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Yup worst roster in the league and most cap space with a noob gm and noob coaching and an empty brand new stadium. We fell hard.

my thing is if lynch over payed for below average talent like malcom smith. why did he not over pay for an actual decent player. the way lynch and jr were elevated to god status. you would think everyone would want to come play for them and be a part of the return to glory

Run defense is improved. And for some reason the run game on offense has produced for three games. Didn't see that one coming. Entertainment factor has improved because watching Chip's offense got old quick.

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by cciowa:
in other words. moral victories is now our bar. sad.the bottom line is wins and losses along with improving. somewhere along the line you better start to have success or the players lose faith in the coaches big time. sorry but many of us see the same crap we saw in pre season. terrible secondary. terrible pass rush. dropped balls. penalties which kill our drives and extend drives for the other team. and yes bad offensive line play

Agreed, it's sad that fan base is okay with losers. 3-20 is the record in the last 23 games and the slick talking gm and his boy toy coach is winless. yah real improvement.

Yup worst roster in the league and most cap space with a noob gm and noob coaching and an empty brand new stadium. We fell hard.

West coast browns. Every game i expect to lose yah great improvement. I want winners !!!

i love it when a part of the fan base is so quick to bash the other team we play , example. we were told the rams have a awful offensive line. as a result we could not come close to the qb. the same i think is happening for the cards. people are predicting a gold rush pass rush cuz the cards supposedly suck in the o line. but you know what will happen.. gee kind of like when we allowed johnny boozer and some scrub running back carv us up when we lost to the browns