Injuries - 9-Year Analysis

Can't name 3 guys I would prefer over Kyle

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

I've never seen anything like this

What's even crazier is they'll probably end up being #1 or #2 for the 2025 season pic.twitter.com/1fuylvn2R8

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) September 23, 2025

Just a coincidence

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

I've never seen anything like this

What's even crazier is they'll probably end up being #1 or #2 for the 2025 season pic.twitter.com/1fuylvn2R8

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) September 23, 2025

to the denial crowd, what is your response to this graphic? what do you have to say after the comments you already made and then seeing this? these numbers that just proves this problem.

please entertain us with more denial.

You trying to blame God, the universe, Kyle, the 95th different training staff or all of the above won't make any difference, so go ahead and feed your conspiracy delusions.

Humans like to find patterns where randomness is present because they don't understand how odds work. Odds don't mean everything will be distributed evenly, it only describes all possible outcomes and their statistical likelihood.

Bluffing/social elements aside, why does someone have a hot steak or a cold streak at the poker table? It isn't because of the odds as the same 52 cards are shuffled every time. It's random occurrence because each hand is it's own unrelated outcome, and this principle is true no matter how "hot" or "cold" things seem.

Once you eliminate the possible variables you simply have to chalk it up to an aberration of a cold streak. Theyve changed trainers multiple times. They don't train all that differently from any other team. They've intentionally avoided injured college players with most of their draft picks.

Someday (ideally starting now) they'll have 10 seasons in a row being the healthiest team in the league or something similar and people will praise the training staff even though they have nothing to do with preventing a guy from having his knee shredded like Aiyuk last year.

Ilove the bringing of stats into this. People who look at our injury stats and think something is amiss are essentially using the gamblers fallacy. The person who thinks the next pull of the slot machine will hit because they are due. It doesn't work that way.

Furthermore, what the hell is a training going to do to prevent turf toe? A broken finger? Planting your leg awkwardly and being engaged leading to a torn ACL. Or look at Jimmy G's torn ACL when he was running for extra yards against KC. Im dying to know what a trainer is supposed to do about that. Should they train their fingers? Train their toes? Maybe stretch longer. That'll sure do it.

We've been doing this "injury analysis" for years now? What have we discovered? Nothing. Nada. No reason for the injuries. Not poor training. Not the injury fairy. Not an NFL conspiracy. Just random bad luck.

Sucks to hear about Aiyuk, but we actually need a healthy Kittle a lot more than him. So at least we have good news on Kittle.

I didn't even propose any conspiracy theories I just stated the obvious that there's a problem. what is the problem? fans may never know, but we at least have enough evidence so far to prove there is a problem inside the 49ers that is not inside all other NFL teams. not even most of them. and why do the deniers only use examples of the big freak injuries like bosa and aiyuks ACL? of course those aren't predictable or preventable. why dont you use other examples like CMCs injury mystery, or drake Jackson being healthy 10% of the time, or dee Ford being healthy 5% of the time, or that in 2020 all players injuries combined made players miss 147 games. why not look at everything instead of just easily obvious unpreventable in game injuries. exactly.

but yes its just a coincidence and random bad luck. year after year after year after year after year after year.....

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
we at least have enough evidence so far to prove there is a problem inside the 49ers that is not inside all other NFL teams.

No. We don't. We have correlation, not causation. There is no causation other than each individual circumstance, most if which have zero to do with training, the staff, etc. They have to do with that play in that moment in time.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
we at least have enough evidence so far to prove there is a problem inside the 49ers that is not inside all other NFL teams.

No. We don't. We have correlation, not causation. There is no causation other than each individual circumstance, most if which have zero to do with training, the staff, etc. They have to do with that play in that moment in time.

Of course there is causation, dominating the player miss games stat for 10 years isnt just some bad luck. Why? Dont know, but that kind of consistency is hard to ignore.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
we at least have enough evidence so far to prove there is a problem inside the 49ers that is not inside all other NFL teams.

No. We don't. We have correlation, not causation. There is no causation other than each individual circumstance, most if which have zero to do with training, the staff, etc. They have to do with that play in that moment in time.

Of course there is causation, dominating the player miss games stat for 10 years isnt just some bad luck. Why? Dont know, but that kind of consistency is hard to ignore.

That's not how you demonstrate causation.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
we at least have enough evidence so far to prove there is a problem inside the 49ers that is not inside all other NFL teams.

No. We don't. We have correlation, not causation. There is no causation other than each individual circumstance, most if which have zero to do with training, the staff, etc. They have to do with that play in that moment in time.

Of course there is causation, dominating the player miss games stat for 10 years isnt just some bad luck. Why? Dont know, but that kind of consistency is hard to ignore.

That's not how you demonstrate causation.

Wasnt trying to.

Originally posted by Darkness49ers:
With reference to Bosa in particular,I've watched his career carefully and always thought he trained to be a body builder as opposed to a football player. He walks and moves so awkwardly due to his massive quads. He should know better than to attempt a wide spread of his legs on that corner rush attempt, knowing the torque behind the push is so powerful. Doesn't take much to tear your ACL.

He was already on a sharp decline in my estimation, add in another missed season and surgery, he will come back as a journey man edge rusher. Extremely disappointing.

I can't explain it like you just did, but I do feel the same way and like you I've pretty much always thought that too.

Who will be next?

I'm a huge Kyle/Lynch fan but at some point we gotta stop playing the "woah is me, we're just unlucky with injuries again!" card and wake up and realize we've gotta be doing something wrong here.

$150M+ APY (plus Pearsall) is currently sitting on our bench. That's not normal, or something that is every team deals with. This is starting to make the 2018, 2020 and 2024 seasons (and losing literally all four of our QB's in 2022) look less like flukes and more like a fundamental issue.

"We're just unlucky!" doesn't do it anymore for me. I see hundreds of NFL players every week for an entire game make routine plays without dislocating their ankle or tearing their ACL. There is straight-up something wrong with our conditioning and how we coach players to absorb hits and take the path to least resistance and we need to address it. Now. Yesterday.

Once you invent the training and conditioning regiment that can prevent broken ankles you are welcome to sell the idea for millions of dollars. Until then just accept there is no answer other than not playing the game.

Originally posted by captveg:
Once you invent the training and conditioning regiment that can prevent broken ankles you are welcome to sell the idea for millions of dollars. Until then just accept there is no answer other than not playing the game.

You need to take a look at our injury history dating back to 2018. This is straight-up not even bad luck or even a big outlier anymore. It's a fact that we're doing something wrong. Name one other team in all of NFL history that lost all four QB's in one season, lost their two best defensive players within 6 games of another season, lost their OPOY before the season even started, and lost their starting QB within the first 3 weeks of the season four different times within three different QB's. All within the span of 8 seasons. And that's before even mention any of Kittle, Aiyuk or Deebo's injuries.

This is NOT normal. At all. It's not a "Indian burial ground" issue this is a fundamental conditioning issue.