Which current 49ers fit in a 4-3 defense, which don't, and what will it look like

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Then my point stands. If he's not one of those best 11 players - a starter - who's on the field for most of the snaps then he's a bust. What you are describing, IMHO, is a rotational player. And I contend that a 1st rounder is a rotational player then he's a bust. Now, do I think that about Armstead? NO!!! It's too early to say that.

Read the rest of my post. If the defense only needs one player with that skillset on the field at one time, and Buckner is better, then Buckner should play. That's like saying Tevin Coleman sucks because he's not better than Devonta Freeman.

What? I don't think you're understanding me. Look, Armstead is NOT a bust, will NOT be a "rotational" player, and unless he's injured he'll be a starter ALONG WITH Buckner (either both at the ends or one at end and the other in the interior). Period!! Geez, the guy has had only one real season on display due to injury, and in that he showed - at least to me - he should be a starter. Trust me, Armstead WILL be among the starter along our front 4. And, IMHO, any other talk in this regard is pure nonsense.

You saying for sure he's going to be a solid player is no different than someone saying they don't think he'll be good in our new system.

lol

I think the point is that AA still has a very high ceiling. A guy like Jones plays alright, but is basically as good as he's going to get. AA needs to, and should, show big improvements in his game before week 1.

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Then my point stands. If he's not one of those best 11 players - a starter - who's on the field for most of the snaps then he's a bust. What you are describing, IMHO, is a rotational player. And I contend that a 1st rounder is a rotational player then he's a bust. Now, do I think that about Armstead? NO!!! It's too early to say that.

Read the rest of my post. If the defense only needs one player with that skillset on the field at one time, and Buckner is better, then Buckner should play. That's like saying Tevin Coleman sucks because he's not better than Devonta Freeman.

What? I don't think you're understanding me. Look, Armstead is NOT a bust, will NOT be a "rotational" player, and unless he's injured he'll be a starter ALONG WITH Buckner (either both at the ends or one at end and the other in the interior). Period!! Geez, the guy has had only one real season on display due to injury, and in that he showed - at least to me - he should be a starter. Trust me, Armstead WILL be among the starter along our front 4. And, IMHO, any other talk in this regard is pure nonsense.

I never once said Armstead was a bust. What I'm saying is that each scheme calls for players with certain attributes at each position. Buckner and Armstead have very similar attributes. If the scheme really only has one position where Armstead fits well, he may have to rotate in. It sounds like you're saying, even if he doesn't fit what we're looking for from a weakside end, we should play him there anyway because he was a first round pick and we need to see what we've got. I'd argue that's just setting him up for failure.

I'd rather see him spell Buckner (and potentially some other positions along the line in a limited capacity) in our base package and potentially play him with Buckner in passing situations. Trying to fit a square peg into a circular hole on principle isn't how you run a football team.

Just FYI: Ronald Blair is 6'2". The profile for him on 49ers.com is completely wrong. They've listed his height and weight incorrectly.


he's 6'2" and 284 lbs.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/ronald-blair?id=2555251

Originally posted by Heroism:
Just FYI: Ronald Blair is 6'2". The profile for him on 49ers.com is completely wrong. They've listed his height and weight incorrectly.

he's 6'2" and 284 lbs.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/ronald-blair?id=2555251

Those measurements with his 34" arms and 32 reps at the combine, he has the perfect build for a 4-3 interior pass rusher.

I agree. He has a very unique build being short yet long and stout.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Just FYI: Ronald Blair is 6'2". The profile for him on 49ers.com is completely wrong. They've listed his height and weight incorrectly.

he's 6'2" and 284 lbs.

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2016/profiles/ronald-blair?id=2555251

Those measurements with his 34" arms and 32 reps at the combine, he has the perfect build for a 4-3 interior pass rusher.

Does Blair have a twitter? Someone tweet him to ask him his current build and see if he's been asked to change anything yet.

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by SoCold:
Well he wasn't hurt his rookie year and he had 19 tackles and 2 sacks for the 17 overall pick that's not impressive. Esp when a 5th rounder like Blair had the same production as a rookie, on a worse team.

You mean his college HC and college Dline coach didn't know how to coach him? because they were both here last year.

they kinda looked like a college team trying to play in the pros

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Then my point stands. If he's not one of those best 11 players - a starter - who's on the field for most of the snaps then he's a bust. What you are describing, IMHO, is a rotational player. And I contend that a 1st rounder is a rotational player then he's a bust. Now, do I think that about Armstead? NO!!! It's too early to say that.

Read the rest of my post. If the defense only needs one player with that skillset on the field at one time, and Buckner is better, then Buckner should play. That's like saying Tevin Coleman sucks because he's not better than Devonta Freeman.

What? I don't think you're understanding me. Look, Armstead is NOT a bust, will NOT be a "rotational" player, and unless he's injured he'll be a starter ALONG WITH Buckner (either both at the ends or one at end and the other in the interior). Period!! Geez, the guy has had only one real season on display due to injury, and in that he showed - at least to me - he should be a starter. Trust me, Armstead WILL be among the starter along our front 4. And, IMHO, any other talk in this regard is pure nonsense.

You saying for sure he's going to be a solid player is no different than someone saying they don't think he'll be good in our new system.

lol

I think the point is that AA still has a very high ceiling. A guy like Jones plays alright, but is basically as good as he's going to get. AA needs to, and should, show big improvements in his game before week 1.

maybe and I hope for the teams sake that's true

There's just things about him I don't like and don't see moving forward. He's had excuses attached to his play since college.

Originally posted by fan49:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Armstead
Buckner
Bowman
Hodges (maybe)
Dorsey (his game, not his durability)
Lynch
Dial
Blair

That's it as far as the front 7 goes.

I also remember dorsey before we signed him, he was being used wrong ina 4-3.... does any one else remember this?

I do, when he was with the Chiefs I believe.

I think we have to factor in K'Wan Williams and Earl Mitchell, assuming we sign them. That would lessen the need for a Nickel corner and NT respectively. Mitchell with Dorsey or Ian Williams (if healthy) as a backup-solves the NT/DT position. Williams can be an upgrade over Davis or Ward at Nickelback. Dial and AA can rotate at LDE, solving another position. LEO is where I think we need to spend $$$$, (although Lynch might be fine there). I'd leave Ward at CB, and have Reid and Tartt as my safetys..

movin the chains on nfl radio talking 49ers players right now

Originally posted by walker807:

Originally posted by SoCold:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:

Originally posted by Draftology:

Originally posted by 9ersLiferInChicago:
Then my point stands. If he's not one of those best 11 players - a starter - who's on the field for most of the snaps then he's a bust. What you are describing, IMHO, is a rotational player. And I contend that a 1st rounder is a rotational player then he's a bust. Now, do I think that about Armstead? NO!!! It's too early to say that.

Read the rest of my post. If the defense only needs one player with that skillset on the field at one time, and Buckner is better, then Buckner should play. That's like saying Tevin Coleman sucks because he's not better than Devonta Freeman.

What? I don't think you're understanding me. Look, Armstead is NOT a bust, will NOT be a "rotational" player, and unless he's injured he'll be a starter ALONG WITH Buckner (either both at the ends or one at end and the other in the interior). Period!! Geez, the guy has had only one real season on display due to injury, and in that he showed - at least to me - he should be a starter. Trust me, Armstead WILL be among the starter along our front 4. And, IMHO, any other talk in this regard is pure nonsense.

You saying for sure he's going to be a solid player is no different than someone saying they don't think he'll be good in our new system.

lol

I think the point is that AA still has a very high ceiling. A guy like Jones plays alright, but is basically as good as he's going to get. AA needs to, and should, show big improvements in his game before week 1.

True, Jones along with Dial and Blair would be good rotational/backup players giving nice depth.

Originally posted by SoCold:
movin the chains on nfl radio talking 49ers players right now

tell us what they say

Originally posted by toppdogg32:

Originally posted by SoCold:
movin the chains on nfl radio talking 49ers players right now

tell us what they say

they said Arik sucks.
jk

Patt said he doesn't like how Kap regressed and he isn't the guy.
No player is worth a tag.
Arik and Buckner should be excited for the 4-3, not that they will be good at it but should be excited for it.
Kerley was their #1 WR and he had trouble staying on the field with the Jets, they need a lot of help.
Players like following coaches cause it gives them a sense of security.

so nothing really
lol

Originally posted by toppdogg32:
I think we have to factor in K'Wan Williams and Earl Mitchell, assuming we sign them. That would lessen the need for a Nickel corner and NT respectively. Mitchell with Dorsey or Ian Williams (if healthy) as a backup-solves the NT/DT position. Williams can be an upgrade over Davis or Ward at Nickelback. Dial and AA can rotate at LDE, solving another position. LEO is where I think we need to spend $$$$, (although Lynch might be fine there). I'd leave Ward at CB, and have Reid and Tartt as my safetys..

again dorsey has never performed well in a 4-3. The chiefs used him in a 4-3 he was below satisfactory.