Which current 49ers fit in a 4-3 defense, which don't, and what will it look like | Page 13

NTeply49 · 2017-02-19T13:09:35-08:00

Mostly concerned with the front 7. I know we were missing some of the key components to make the 4-3 viable. Specifically at nose tackle and after Bowman was injured we did not have the level of play needed at ILB to be effective. I have a few questions for you guys. I feel like Dorsey can move inside to nose tackle and Buckner can remain at DE, but where does Armstead fit in? Will Carradine be more effective at Defensive end, or does the other spot go to Lynch? Can Lynch be a stand up linebacker in a 4-3? Does Bowman stay at ILB or move to OLB? Besides talent, what key component are we missing to make our defense decent again? What key free agents would be most desirable for us now that we've made the switch? These are my concerns. What are yours?

Feb 23, 2017 at 10:02 AM

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Lots of good arguments for who the 3tech and who the strongside DE should be between DeFo and AA. All of it makes sense. Very anxious to see how this plays out.

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Feb 23, 2017 at 10:04 AM

#182

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Jonathan Allen will be the 3tech. Armstead will be on the trade block when all is said and done.

Feb 23, 2017 at 2:06 PM

#183

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This is a long read but a good one for anyone trying to understand the 4-3 under better and how some of our players can slide into those positions

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1657-long-look-what-expect-under-49ers-fit-scheme/

Apr 6, 2017 at 10:47 AM

#184

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Originally posted by Luckycharms:
This is a long read but a good one for anyone trying to understand the 4-3 under better and how some of our players can slide into those positions

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1657-long-look-what-expect-under-49ers-fit-scheme/

I think Ronald Blair is going to destroy as our 3 tech. Armstead is the odd man out.. which is kind of upsetting. We need to trade him while we can.

Apr 6, 2017 at 10:59 AM

#185

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Originally posted by KyleShanahan:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:
This is a long read but a good one for anyone trying to understand the 4-3 under better and how some of our players can slide into those positions

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1657-long-look-what-expect-under-49ers-fit-scheme/

I think Ronald Blair is going to destroy as our 3 tech. Armstead is the odd man out.. which is kind of upsetting. We need to trade him while we can.

Nice...and here are a couple more:

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/5/31/2191847/the-pete-carroll-4-3-under-defense-part-i-an-introduction
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/187561-solomon/page85/ (Post #1263)

I've been thinking the same about Blair too. If nothing else, another interior pass rusher on pass rush downs in rotation which would end up being close to 60% of the time.

Apr 6, 2017 at 11:01 AM

#186

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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by KyleShanahan:
Originally posted by Luckycharms:
This is a long read but a good one for anyone trying to understand the 4-3 under better and how some of our players can slide into those positions

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1657-long-look-what-expect-under-49ers-fit-scheme/

I think Ronald Blair is going to destroy as our 3 tech. Armstead is the odd man out.. which is kind of upsetting. We need to trade him while we can.

Nice...and here are a couple more:

http://www.fieldgulls.com/2011/5/31/2191847/the-pete-carroll-4-3-under-defense-part-i-an-introduction
http://www.49erswebzone.com/forum/nfl-draft/187561-solomon/page85/ (Post #1263)

I've been thinking the same about Blair too. If nothing else, another interior pass rusher on pass rush downs in rotation which would end up being close to 60% of the time.

Agreed. Blair has a chance to play his best football in this scheme.

Apr 6, 2017 at 11:03 AM

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http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2013/9/13/4727200/the-4-3-under-defining-the-defense

Best article I've seen on the 4-3 under so far.

[ Edited by TTown9ers on Apr 6, 2017 at 5:25 PM ]

Apr 6, 2017 at 11:04 AM

#188

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Originally posted by TTown9ers:
http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2013/9/13/4727200/the-4-3-under-defining-the-defense

Beat article I've seen on the 4-3 under so far.

Thanks...adding these all to the 2017 Team Information thread.

Apr 6, 2017 at 11:10 AM

#189

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I am curious to see how our current group comes up in this new scheme. To see if they were misused and/or handled. I would hate to give up on some of these guys only to see them go elsewhere and become dynamite. Especially the seahawks.

Apr 6, 2017 at 1:15 PM

#190

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SAM- Ahmad Brooks / Eli Harold
LDE- Deforest Buckner / Arik Armstead
NT- Earl Mitchell
3 TECH- Ronald Blair
LEO- Aaron Lynch

Apr 6, 2017 at 1:33 PM

#191

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Originally posted by SteveYoung:
SAM- Ahmad Brooks / Eli Harold
LDE- Deforest Buckner / Arik Armstead
NT- Earl Mitchell
3 TECH- Ronald Blair
LEO- Aaron Lynch

AA mostly played on that left side so I could see them wanting to keep him there...same with Chris Jones.

Apr 6, 2017 at 3:57 PM

#192

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Originally posted by SteveYoung:
SAM- Ahmad Brooks / Eli Harold
LDE- Deforest Buckner / Arik Armstead
NT- Earl Mitchell
3 TECH- Ronald Blair
LEO- Aaron Lynch

Maybe, maybe not

I'd like to see AA shifted to 3 tech and Blair at RDE in base if season started right now. On pass downs is where things can get even trickier. That's why I'm so antsy to start hearing about some noise on where guys are lining up.

Apr 6, 2017 at 5:51 PM

#193

Jasta
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Originally posted by KyleShanahan:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:
This is a long read but a good one for anyone trying to understand the 4-3 under better and how some of our players can slide into those positions

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1657-long-look-what-expect-under-49ers-fit-scheme/

I think Ronald Blair is going to destroy as our 3 tech. Armstead is the odd man out.. which is kind of upsetting. We need to trade him while we can.

Why? Would be nice to actually have some depth for a change. AA and Defo swapping snaps is scary... imagine blocking Buckner for an entire drive and thinking you had a chance to catch your breath as he walks off the field only to see Armstead replace him. Would really ruin your day.

Apr 7, 2017 at 7:12 AM

#194

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Originally posted by Jasta:

Originally posted by KyleShanahan:

Originally posted by Luckycharms:
This is a long read but a good one for anyone trying to understand the 4-3 under better and how some of our players can slide into those positions

http://www.49erswebzone.com/commentary/1657-long-look-what-expect-under-49ers-fit-scheme/

I think Ronald Blair is going to destroy as our 3 tech. Armstead is the odd man out.. which is kind of upsetting. We need to trade him while we can.

Why? Would be nice to actually have some depth for a change. AA and Defo swapping snaps is scary... imagine blocking Buckner for an entire drive and thinking you had a chance to catch your breath as he walks off the field only to see Armstead replace him. Would really ruin your day.

exactly , and I'm hoping Dial can wear down some Offensive lineman , and allow our faster lineman to go at em full steam when we have them in a 3rd and long situations, this is where Solomon Thomas makes sense, an elite athlete for their offensive line to deal with , Buckner and Armstead will also be tough , throw in Blair and Lynch, and hopefully another edge rusher before the 5th , and we"re talking potentially having a fierce front 4 on the field at all times

Apr 7, 2017 at 8:29 AM

#195

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Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TTown9ers:
http://www.uwdawgpound.com/2013/9/13/4727200/the-4-3-under-defining-the-defense

Beat article I've seen on the 4-3 under so far.

Thanks...adding these all to the 2017 Team Information thread.

Agree! A very good article that makes it clear that there are many variations not only to the general scheme but with each position and what players are used. For instance, many have been saying that an UnderTackle has to be smaller and quicker but this article makes it clear that is not uniform across all UnderTackle defenses. This is something I was hoping to read as I would like them to use our best players and develop/morph the scheme to the personnel's strengths.