Oh boy. 49ers fan base going to be in for a big surprise when we can't run the damn ball and can't sack the QB.
Especially when we will have 2 real good WR's hardly see the field because we are loaded at that spot, our RB's can't run with any power and we have a starting caliber LB who won't see the field very often either.
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Aug 22, 2018 at 10:44 AM
- Joecool
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Aug 22, 2018 at 10:46 AM
- Giedi
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For what it's worth, pulling an OLineman is more associated with man blocking than zone blocking.Originally posted by Joecool:Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:Originally posted by Joecool:The Pats are getting Brown to run block just fine. They are using him in pulls and everything. Kyle just didn't want to try and work with him. We don't know what we are going to get out of our LG, RG, and RT. We don't have a pass rush. We only have one legit proven Defensive Lineman.
The Patriots also don't run an outside zone scheme. They do a ton of gap blocking which Brown is far better suited to do. There is a reason why tackles in this offense average around 305 pounds, not 380.
Why should Kyle compromise his offense for a guy who can't even be bothered to maintain his weight properly?
I saw the Pats use Brown just fine on a pull outside. I just think Kyle didn't want to deal with Brown's conditioning.
So far, our preseason games have shown that we are going to struggle with what Kyle S. offenses should be strong at: the run game. Preseason has also shown that our defense is going to struggle with what the cover 3 should be good at, edge rusher.
Sad to bring up the truth but preseason has not looked very good so far. Let's see what happens Saturday. And if you want to tell yourself that we are "hiding" our stuff...that hasn't been the case the past 3 or 4 preseasons. Preseason has been a good indicator of what we are and are not good at.
The only part of this team I am not worried about is our QB, WRs, and pass coverage.
Aug 22, 2018 at 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by Joecool:
I saw the Pats use Brown just fine on a pull outside.
I'm not sure what your point is here, pulling is a staple of gap blocking schemes and doesn't mean you have the agility and lateral movement to operate in a zone blocking scheme.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/football-insider/wp/2015/05/21/differences-between-the-zone-and-power-running-schemes/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.0e4579c0a034
I just think Kyle didn't want to deal with Brown's conditioning.
Lets see how Brown holds up as a run blocker in the regular season when defenses will actually be scheming.
Aug 22, 2018 at 10:50 AM
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Originally posted by Joecool:
Oh boy. 49ers fan base going to be in for a big surprise when we can't run the damn ball and can't sack the QB.
Especially when we will have 2 real good WR's hardly see the field because we are loaded at that spot, our RB's can't run with any power and we have a starting caliber LB who won't see the field very often either.
More like you'll be in a state of shock when the run game winds up being just fine because that is what the Shanahans do, it is the basis of their entire offense. Outside zone, undersized linemen and shifty, quick backs.
Aug 22, 2018 at 10:50 AM
- thl408
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Originally posted by Giedi:
For what it's worth, pulling an OLineman is more associated with man blocking than zone blocking.
Yes. And pulling linemen get to spring out of their three point stance, similar to a track sprinter, then run and nail their man block. That's not the same type of mobility as combo blocking then moving to the second level while running sideways - blocking for outside zone.
Aug 22, 2018 at 10:51 AM
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Why do people care about how Brown is doing with the Patriots? Doesn't at all guarantee he'd be doing great with us.
Aug 22, 2018 at 10:55 AM
- Niners816
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Originally posted by Joecool:Oh boy. 49ers fan base going to be in for a big surprise when we can't run the damn ball and can't sack the QB.
Especially when we will have 2 real good WR's hardly see the field because we are loaded at that spot, our RB's can't run with any power and we have a starting caliber LB who won't see the field very often either.
You can rest easy on the bolded. We had almost 2600 WR snaps last year. Broke down this way:
20 personnel 12plays = 36 WR snaps
11 personnel 526plays = 1573 WR snaps
12 personnel 141plays = 282 WR snaps
21 personnel 293plays = 586 WR snaps
13 personnel 14plays = 14 WR snaps
22 personnel 34plays = 34 WR snaps
10 & 01 pers 18plays = 72 WR snaps
Long story short, there's enough snaps to go around.
Aug 22, 2018 at 10:57 AM
- riverrunzthruit
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Re; Trent Brown
I think what did it for Kyle is when TB refused to play through his shoulder injury and decided to pull the sandy vagina routine and wuss out...
I think what did it for Kyle is when TB refused to play through his shoulder injury and decided to pull the sandy vagina routine and wuss out...
Aug 22, 2018 at 10:58 AM
- TheRickestRick
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Originally posted by Giedi:
For what it's worth, pulling an OLineman is more associated with man blocking than zone blocking.
Good point, I made the mistake of using that term universally for a moving lineman when they are completely different and require different skill sets. my b
Aug 22, 2018 at 11:03 AM
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Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Oh boy. 49ers fan base going to be in for a big surprise when we can't run the damn ball and can't sack the QB.
Especially when we will have 2 real good WR's hardly see the field because we are loaded at that spot, our RB's can't run with any power and we have a starting caliber LB who won't see the field very often either.
You can rest easy on the bolded. We had almost 2600 WR snaps last year. Broke down this way:
20 personnel 12plays = 36 WR snaps
11 personnel 526plays = 1573 WR snaps
12 personnel 141plays = 282 WR snaps
21 personnel 293plays = 586 WR snaps
13 personnel 14plays = 14 WR snaps
22 personnel 34plays = 34 WR snaps
10 & 01 pers 18plays = 72 WR snaps
Long story short, there's enough snaps to go around.
My point is that we drafted an OL, WR, and WLB in our first 3 picks. Our first 3 picks of the 2018 draft were all horizontal moves. The only vertical moves in the last year were Richard Sherman and Jimmy G.
Don't expect crazy positive things to happen this year.
[ Edited by Joecool on Aug 22, 2018 at 11:04 AM ]
Aug 22, 2018 at 11:15 AM
- mojave45
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Originally posted by Joecool:Oh boy. 49ers fan base going to be in for a big surprise when we can't run the damn ball and can't sack the QB.
Especially when we will have 2 real good WR's hardly see the field because we are loaded at that spot, our RB's can't run with any power and we have a starting caliber LB who won't see the field very often either.
Maybe fans that don't understand that this isn't a SB year. No surprise to anyone paying attention. Although I am still not sure we won't be able to have an ok running game when McKinnon and Breda get back.
Aug 22, 2018 at 11:18 AM
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Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:Re; Trent Brown
I think what did it for Kyle is when TB refused to play through his shoulder injury and decided to pull the sandy vagina routine and wuss out...
LOL. That may be true but he did play the Chicago game with one arm and did more damage that then required surgery. He's salty for sure and that's probably the source of contention.
Aug 22, 2018 at 11:33 AM
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Originally posted by mojave45:
Originally posted by Joecool:
Oh boy. 49ers fan base going to be in for a big surprise when we can't run the damn ball and can't sack the QB.
Especially when we will have 2 real good WR's hardly see the field because we are loaded at that spot, our RB's can't run with any power and we have a starting caliber LB who won't see the field very often either.
Maybe fans that don't understand that this isn't a SB year. No surprise to anyone paying attention. Although I am still not sure we won't be able to have an ok running game when McKinnon and Breda get back.
Superbowl year? With how we acquired players in the offseason, playoffs are not likely.
Aug 22, 2018 at 12:03 PM
- DonnieDarko
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Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
Re; Trent Brown
I think what did it for Kyle is when TB refused to play through his shoulder injury and decided to pull the sandy vagina routine and wuss out...
LOL. That may be true but he did play the Chicago game with one arm and did more damage that then required surgery. He's salty for sure and that's probably the source of contention.
I think the organization made the right move in replacing brown with mcglinchey
Aug 22, 2018 at 12:08 PM
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:Originally posted by NCommand:Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:Re; Trent Brown
I think what did it for Kyle is when TB refused to play through his shoulder injury and decided to pull the sandy vagina routine and wuss out...
LOL. That may be true but he did play the Chicago game with one arm and did more damage that then required surgery. He's salty for sure and that's probably the source of contention.
I think the organization made the right move in replacing brown with mcglinchey
Yeah, there were a number of directions we could have gone, including drafting MM and retaining Brown. I'm hopeful it was the right move too but that's still ultimately up to both Brown and Mike. I'm fairly confident it's going to work our great for both guys/teams.