49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Joecool:

You can rose color it however you want but how many positions can you say we have a top 10 player at?

Maybe 2

Jimmy G., Reuben, Staley, Richburg, Juice

5

Jimmy g, stale and I'll give u juice but fb is not a position of value. You can also throw in gould.

Buckner is easily a top 10 DT. Reuben also is easily a top 10 ILB. I probably couldn't name 10 FS I'd want over Colbert. Sherman is borderline top 10 CB.... but okay after that I'm out. Still, you can be a good team without having stars at every position. Our formula is going to be Kyle's scheme, Jimmy's QB play, and hopefully a decent enough defense to get us into the playoffs.

Originally posted by Joecool:
You can rose color it however you want but how many positions can you say we have a top 10 player at?

Pats have maybe 3 if you count Hightower

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Joecool:
You can rose color it however you want but how many positions can you say we have a top 10 player at?

Pats have maybe 3 if you count Hightower

True but the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets are not in our division. An elite QB in a crap division...there's always a chance.

Originally posted by Joecool:
True but the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets are not in our division. An elite QB in a crap division...there's always a chance.

Seattle maybe has 4 elite guys but their non elite guys are wholly unproven. Arizona has 1. Only one team is stacked.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Joecool:
True but the Bills, Dolphins, and Jets are not in our division. An elite QB in a crap division...there's always a chance.

Seattle maybe has 4 elite guys but their non elite guys are wholly unproven. Arizona has 1. Only one team is stacked.

That's why SEA and ARI going to suck but they are still better than BUF, MIA, and NYJ. SEA was a playoff team before their RB and main defensive players got injured or left.

I'm lost, what are we arguing here? That Shanahan & Lynch need a pro bowler at every position to make the playoffs?

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
You can rose color it however you want but how many positions can you say we have a top 10 player at?

Maybe 2

Jimmy G., Reuben, Staley, Richburg, Juice

5

Sherman if healthy--6

Originally posted by dtg_9er:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Joecool:

You can rose color it however you want but how many positions can you say we have a top 10 player at?

Maybe 2

Jimmy G., Reuben, Staley, Richburg, Juice

5

Sherman if healthy--6

I would add Kittle to that list too

Originally posted by Joecool:

Our OL has shown crap run blocking skills so far.

I'm just saying, fellas. On paper, it all looks promising, but if you really start to count the question mark positions vs the sound anchors of this team, we have less than most other teams.

That tends to happen when you have 3 new guys out of 5 on an OL, especially in a zone blocking scheme. As time goes on and they build familiarity and chemistry, the run blocking will get a lot better.

I expect to see a lot of improvement with major upgrades at center and right tackle when it comes to the run game.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:

Our OL has shown crap run blocking skills so far.

I'm just saying, fellas. On paper, it all looks promising, but if you really start to count the question mark positions vs the sound anchors of this team, we have less than most other teams.

That tends to happen when you have 3 new guys out of 5 on an OL, especially in a zone blocking scheme. As time goes on and they build familiarity and chemistry, the run blocking will get a lot better.

I expect to see a lot of improvement with major upgrades at center and right tackle when it comes to the run game.

We have been hoping for this for years now. I'll believe it when I see it starting to happen. As of now, it appears nobody knows what to do and how to do it.

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
You can rose color it however you want but how many positions can you say we have a top 10 player at?

Maybe 2

Jimmy G., Reuben, Staley, Richburg, Juice

5

Gould as well. Marquise Goodwin and Pierre Garcon are also knocking on the door, IMO. Both were on pace for 1000+ yard seasons before their injuries.

Originally posted by Joecool:
We have been hoping for this for years now. I'll believe it when I see it starting to happen. As of now, it appears nobody knows what to do and how to do it.

The people who have been doing actual film breakdowns say otherwise. For the most part the biggest issues have been at RG where there has just been a flux with no apparent starter. If Garnett can seize that role then things get a lot simpler suddenly. Staley and Tomlinson on the left side have been fine, Richburg has had issues with miscommunication and pains associated with learning the scheme but nothing that he simply won't pickup through further snaps in the offense. McGlinchey at RT has been steady and solid right from the get go.

There's a lot of reason to be optimistic compared to the OL at this time a year ago and especially compared to the end of last season when you had Kilgore at center and Zane Beadles at RT. The 49ers were able to go 5-0 and have the number one passing offense in the NFL in spite of those guys being out there.

Originally posted by 91til:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by RTFirefly:

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Joecool:
You can rose color it however you want but how many positions can you say we have a top 10 player at?

Maybe 2

Jimmy G., Reuben, Staley, Richburg, Juice

5

Jimmy g, stale and I'll give u juice but fb is not a position of value. You can also throw in gould.

Buckner is easily a top 10 DT. Reuben also is easily a top 10 ILB. I probably couldn't name 10 FS I'd want over Colbert. Sherman is borderline top 10 CB.... but okay after that I'm out. Still, you can be a good team without having stars at every position. Our formula is going to be Kyle's scheme, Jimmy's QB play, and hopefully a decent enough defense to get us into the playoffs.

Originally posted by Big_Daddy:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Ensatsu:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Jack49ers84:

Latest from me: How Shanahan's 2-RB scheme elevates Garoppolo, fuels 49ers' passing attack https://t.co/8dfoZNqgWc via @theScore

— Mark Schofield (@MarkSchofield) August 15, 2018

good article

Interesting how Kyle is bringing back the two Rb's one Te's set back again due to Jimmy's ability to read defenses and his quick release. I think most offenses are going 11 personnel (one back one TE?) nowadays due to all the passing rules for the offense. The difference between Kyle's old style 21 personnel and the rest of the NFL 11 personnel is that all the backs (both full and halfbacks) that he has can catch the ball as well as run.

It's the speed part of the guys we have that allows us to exploit 21 personnel nowadays. Juice really is the piece that brings it all together. I've seen 40 times as low as 4.49 attributed to him. That's really fast for FB that can still function as a FB. Basically, it keeps a defense honest and makes them keep the LBer on the field or they'd be light against the potential run game. It was the increased speed at LBer that has shifted the league away from 21 Personnel. FB could no longer run away from LBer in the pass game and it made it a loss in that matchup. That's kinda what killed the FB as well.

That's an interesting point because in the second 49ers vs Bengals super bowl, Walsh deliberately kept their 21 personnel on the field for that last winning drive to keep the Bungle's nickel off the field. John Taylor scores the winning TD vs (I think) the Bungles base defense in the redzone.

If Kyle 21 offense starts to dominate super bowls the way the WCO dominated super bowls in the late 80's and 90's those Juzscuzyk type fullbacks will be valued at a high premium the way Edge Rushers and pass recieving TE's are valued now. But overall, I think the NFL will continue with the 11 personnel because not many franchises have Kyle as their OC. It's easier, I think, to operate out of 11 personnel if you are a pass first offense and easier to acquire players to operate it. Finding Jszcuzyk's and the kind of speed that Goodwin has is not easy and Kyle made it look easy. Not every personnel department has that kind of skillset where they can find *that* kind of talent in the later rounds or from the undrafted free agency area.

Sure, all it took is paying him 4 times more than the 2nd highest paid FB in the league. Brilliant!

You're right he's important (fb) but Kyle could scheme with any lineup and win

Well, Kyle's scheme is pass first so a guy like Vance McDonald or a guy like Carlos Hyde would make Kyle pull his hair out. Personally I think Kyle's reputation of having a top 10 offense year in and year out, should give him the benefit of the doubt with regards to offensive personnel salary. Meaning that - yes you'll pay through the nose for Kyle's players, but he'll get more out of them than any other coach. Also with regards to salary, we have cap-master Praage to engineer accelerated depreciation contracts that just *look* expensive in the beginning - but towards the end, will be dirt cheap in comparison.

It's never going to be offense that worries me about this team. Even if we have O LIne, RB, or WR issue - we got the franchise QB we've always been looking for. It's going to be defense that will make me anxious when sunday comes around.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Joecool:
We have been hoping for this for years now. I'll believe it when I see it starting to happen. As of now, it appears nobody knows what to do and how to do it.

The people who have been doing actual film breakdowns say otherwise. For the most part the biggest issues have been at RG where there has just been a flux with no apparent starter. If Garnett can seize that role then things get a lot simpler suddenly. Staley and Tomlinson on the left side have been fine, Richburg has had issues with miscommunication and pains associated with learning the scheme but nothing that he simply won't pickup through further snaps in the offense. McGlinchey at RT has been steady and solid right from the get go.

There's a lot of reason to be optimistic compared to the OL at this time a year ago and especially compared to the end of last season when you had Kilgore at center and Zane Beadles at RT. The 49ers were able to go 5-0 and have the number one passing offense in the NFL in spite of those guys being out there.

Johnnyd, THL, can you attest to this? I am very concerned about our offensive line. As pumped as we have been of our team, there are players on the other side of that line just as good or better that will be trying to stop us or score against us. I just feel that if we really look at it, we have a lot of holes.

Our RT is a rookie. He has holes and will not be dominating early on. If he does, then we have a HOFer. None of our RB's have proven to be able to consistently move the sticks on 1st and 2nd downs to be semi workhorses. I do feel our QB and the combination of our WR's can be successful but Jimmy G has been pressured often...he's just able to overcome it.

I really like our DBs, MLB, and DeFo, but teams have been able to move the ball on us so far.