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Originally posted by TD49ers:
  1. Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


Some webzoners making a strong stance around this very question. Agruing that 10 years and no SB didnt matter, pointing to the participation trophy case!

Got to love vindication by coach Shany. The SB is more important than participation trophies.

It's funny how you listen to that and that's where your head goes.

I don't think anyone here would decline the first scenario if it was presented like it was in that clip. Unless I misheard the guy talking it was pretty much

Win SB 1 year, don't make the playoffs the next 9.
or
Make the playoffs 10 years in a row but without winning a SB.

That's an EASY choice imo. As much as I love watching our guys compete for the prize the way it was presented was you know the 2nd scenario you're NOT getting the prize.

So yes if that's the choice it's easy. Take the Championship and 9 years of non playoffs and hope you can add some talented players via the draft and maybe make a big run in year 11+.

But if the scenario is

Win SB 1 year, don't make the playoffs the next 9.
or
Make the playoffs 10 years in a row with no guarantees....

That is at least a discussion. Getting an automatic entry into the tournament there is at least a chance to win 1+ SBs while also not having to probably replace your regime.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by ninersrule4:
McVay is the only coach I no questions ask put above Kyle. No way on Reid.

mcvay is the same tree, they are very similar. i think head to head is one of the best matchups in the nfl. that's the coaching battle of our time. i think shanny has a big edge over mcvay lifetime, i could be wrong, but just in terms of the record.

So you think KS should be placed higher than the coach who beat him in two super bowls?

Each time Reid did it, he used his offense late in the game ala Walsh & Montana to come back for those wins so he's also edging KS at his own strength as an offensive guru. I bleed Red & Gold but… Come on!

Chiefs didn't win those SBs cuz of their offense. Even in 2019 with their juggernaut offense it was really their defense that helped them close that game out. We just needed 1 first down to really secure that game and Chris Jones and that defense did their job. Not to mention the refs putting on blinders to holding has nothing to do with coaching.

2023 was a total defensive masterclass without which that final drive never happens. That's on Spags. And I can guarantee you if Shanahan had a DC like that for that game we're 100% walking away with that trophy.

I wouldn't even put McVay over Kyle...though I can understand someone who would. Right now the only thing Sean has on Kyle was that SB win and yet McVay was outcoached big time in that NFCCG, if not for Stafford making the plays he did and the 49ers making the mistakes they did McVay goes 0-3 against Kyle that season.

If there is any coach right now who Kyle doesn't have a logical basis of being better than...unfortunately it's the guy in Seattle. But the sample size is small(but impressive)

I lot of hypotheticals and excuses in that post, the fact of the matter is that we were up and then we lost when they came back via there offense scoring TD's.
The Chiefs even had a walk-off TD in OT with that Tom & Jerry play to win the super bowl, I love Kyle but he can't do that.

You are right, the Chiefs also had a killer Defense but They also had the offense to come back and beat the Bills when the Bills scored a go ahead TD with like 19 seconds left in the game. Once again I love Kyle but he can't do that.
The trolling continues

Kyle schemed multiple guys open in both Super Bowls

the only thing you're correct on is yeah Kyle can't do it because he's not on the field

He's never done it in a SB.

But to his credit he did come back against the Lions in the NFCCG

See my post above. He's literally done it in each SB. He cannot execute the plays for the guys on the field. This isn't Madden.

If it wasn't executed it goes down as an attempt not a "done it" as you say.

He has not done it.
Andy has never done it

That's cap, A.R has done it twice to us in the super bowl.
Incorrect, it was Mahomes. Andy has never won anything until Mahomes. A qb who doesn't play within a scheme or called play and does a lot of ad libbing

Andy also has lost two SBs with that QB due to the above traits mentioned

KS had an opportunity to draft Mahomes but chose Solomon Thomas instead.

Andy not only drafted PM but he also molded him into a future HOF QB! He also traded up to grab Mahomes. Who calls the plays for the Chiefs?

Are we doing this again? Are you being ignorant on purpose or accident?
Originally posted by genus49:
It's funny how you listen to that and that's where your head goes.

I don't think anyone here would decline the first scenario if it was presented like it was in that clip. Unless I misheard the guy talking it was pretty much

Win SB 1 year, don't make the playoffs the next 9.
or
Make the playoffs 10 years in a row but without winning a SB.

That's an EASY choice imo. As much as I love watching our guys compete for the prize the way it was presented was you know the 2nd scenario you're NOT getting the prize.

So yes if that's the choice it's easy. Take the Championship and 9 years of non playoffs and hope you can add some talented players via the draft and maybe make a big run in year 11+.

But if the scenario is

Win SB 1 year, don't make the playoffs the next 9.
or
Make the playoffs 10 years in a row with no guarantees....

That is at least a discussion. Getting an automatic entry into the tournament there is at least a chance to win 1+ SBs while also not having to probably replace your regime.

yeah the reality is there is no magic wand, just got to field good teams, and handle your business in the key moments. i think this is the best team he's had
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
It's funny how you listen to that and that's where your head goes.

I don't think anyone here would decline the first scenario if it was presented like it was in that clip. Unless I misheard the guy talking it was pretty much

Win SB 1 year, don't make the playoffs the next 9.
or
Make the playoffs 10 years in a row but without winning a SB.

That's an EASY choice imo. As much as I love watching our guys compete for the prize the way it was presented was you know the 2nd scenario you're NOT getting the prize.

So yes if that's the choice it's easy. Take the Championship and 9 years of non playoffs and hope you can add some talented players via the draft and maybe make a big run in year 11+.

But if the scenario is

Win SB 1 year, don't make the playoffs the next 9.
or
Make the playoffs 10 years in a row with no guarantees....

That is at least a discussion. Getting an automatic entry into the tournament there is at least a chance to win 1+ SBs while also not having to probably replace your regime.

yeah the reality is there is no magic wand, just got to field good teams, and handle your business in the key moments. i think this is the best team he's had

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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by TD49ers:
  1. Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


Some webzoners making a strong stance around this very question. Agruing that 10 years and no SB didnt matter, pointing to the participation trophy case!

Got to love vindication by coach Shany. The SB is more important than participation trophies.

It's funny how you listen to that and that's where your head goes.

I don't think anyone here would decline the first scenario if it was presented like it was in that clip. Unless I misheard the guy talking it was pretty much

Win SB 1 year, don't make the playoffs the next 9.
or
Make the playoffs 10 years in a row but without winning a SB.

That's an EASY choice imo. As much as I love watching our guys compete for the prize the way it was presented was you know the 2nd scenario you're NOT getting the prize.

So yes if that's the choice it's easy. Take the Championship and 9 years of non playoffs and hope you can add some talented players via the draft and maybe make a big run in year 11+.

But if the scenario is

Win SB 1 year, don't make the playoffs the next 9.
or
Make the playoffs 10 years in a row with no guarantees....

That is at least a discussion. Getting an automatic entry into the tournament there is at least a chance to win 1+ SBs while also not having to probably replace your regime.

Well you finally came around Now you see why some challenge Shany. Its about winning the SB.
Originally posted by TD49ers:
Well you finally came around Now you see why some challenge Shany. Its about winning the SB.

My position never changed lol. It's always been about winning the SB. That's the goal, that's why the guys play this game.

But as Faithful said above there is no magic wand so the hypothetical scenario is just a talking point. Of course I'd take a guaranteed SB win over not winning it all but just going far consistently.

There are no guaranteed SB wins tho. If you have a HC who can consistently get good teams together and get them into the tournament you have a chance to win one or more. Until Shanahan shows he's not the HC who can bring out the best in this team I'm going to root for us to win a SB with him as the HC.
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Funny how narratives work. Everyone in the league raves about what Shanahan is doing with this team...but because we couldn't finish off two games there's a group of people who call him a choker and a fraud.

Hopefully the team gets over that hurdle with Kyle here. Because odds are very high that if we let him go he's going to win one with another franchise.
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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Funny how narratives work. Everyone in the league raves about what Shanahan is doing with this team...but because we couldn't finish off two games there's a group of people who call him a choker and a fraud.

Hopefully the team gets over that hurdle with Kyle here. Because odds are very high that if we let him go he's going to win one with another franchise.

Shanahan is far from a choker. I still blame the refs for the two Super Bowl losses. Last season Shanahan went 13-5 with an injured team that had almost all their starters in and out of the line up. With Mahomes and Kelce out I didn't see the Chiefs making it to the playoffs like the 9ers did?
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

i think Titans will be good this year they will surprise people. my understanding is we scrimmage Titans in TC
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Funny how narratives work. Everyone in the league raves about what Shanahan is doing with this team...but because we couldn't finish off two games there's a group of people who call him a choker and a fraud.

Hopefully the team gets over that hurdle with Kyle here. Because odds are very high that if we let him go he's going to win one with another franchise.

Shanahan is far from a choker. I still blame the refs for the two Super Bowl losses. Last season Shanahan went 13-5 with an injured team that had almost all their starters in and out of the line up. With Mahomes and Kelce out I didn't see the Chiefs making it to the playoffs like the 9ers did?

There are issues with Kyle as there are with any HC. No HC has ever went undefeated so eventually they fall short.

What annoys me are the people who refuse to look at details in how a game is lost and simply put it all on the HC(while also not giving that same HC credit for having the team there in the first place)

For instance in 2019 nobody expected us to be in the SB. While some ignore the play by play details and simply want to put it on Kyle for "not running the ball enough in the 4th quarter" which is a hypothetical scenario we have no knowledge of how the game would've turned out had we run the ball. We ran the ball with Roger Craig and he fumbled. Crap happens.

What we do know is there were plays there to make in the passing game that would've moved the chains, kept the clock running same way as running the ball successfully. Jimmy either didn't make them or Chris Jones managed to make a hell of a play to knock the ball down.

Plus as you mentioned the refs with all those things handicapped us. The hit on Garoppolo should've been a penalty and kept the drive going.

We should've won both games if our players execute better. That's clear as day on tape - you can put blame on Kyle for not running the ball more in 2019. You can blame Kyle for not feeding Aiyuk vs Deebo in 2023, you can even complain about the OT decision to take the ball first but we still should've won both those games if our guys make the plays that were open.

Coaches cannot choke in those situations unless they don't have the team prepared to play or make a terrible game management decision.
Originally posted by Kolohe:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

Funny how narratives work. Everyone in the league raves about what Shanahan is doing with this team...but because we couldn't finish off two games there's a group of people who call him a choker and a fraud.

Hopefully the team gets over that hurdle with Kyle here. Because odds are very high that if we let him go he's going to win one with another franchise.

Shanahan is far from a choker. I still blame the refs for the two Super Bowl losses. Last season Shanahan went 13-5 with an injured team that had almost all their starters in and out of the line up. With Mahomes and Kelce out I didn't see the Chiefs making it to the playoffs like the 9ers did?
Even when Mahomes was healthy, Chiefs were garbage
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Nothing's change, it has always been the 49ers way !!!
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

i think Titans will be good this year they will surprise people. my understanding is we scrimmage Titans in TC

Yeah but on the other hand if they suck and Saleh gets fired he comes back and gives up on his silly dreams of being a HC and we have a great HC/DC combo for decades.
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Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:

i think Titans will be good this year they will surprise people. my understanding is we scrimmage Titans in TC

Yeah but on the other hand if they suck and Saleh gets fired he comes back and gives up on his silly dreams of being a HC and we have a great HC/DC combo for decades.

he'll be back after his 2nd year in Tennessee
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