49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You just posted you were concerned with what Kyle said to Aiyuk on the previous page.. ain't nothing to be concerned about.. but there you go.. same with all the other FO fallacies

You are definitely confused. I said I was interested to learn what he said, not concerned. And I explained why I'm interested (timing/context).

Not confused, don't try to back pedal on your stance with the Org now

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Kyle, it would appear based off BA's ranting, needs to perhaps measure himself a bit when leveling criticism towards his players. These are men playing a game for millions so they have to be able to take hard coaching. That said these are still men and not boys so Kyle has to know how to walk that hard line around hard coaching and managing egos it appears

lol really? The guy who ran to stop the Aiyuk trade is the guy Aiyuk is trying to blame for his quitting on the team?

This dude talked about being a Lambo and now he's all butt hurt cuz Kyle was coaching him hard? This is nonsense. Kyle has been praised by many players who never quit on their team for being excellent with his players but yes he's not a pushover and he coaches hard and keeps guys accountable. Clearly Aiyuk didn't like that.

What is it with the players that don't want to be here:

B.A
Deebo
De'Vondre Campbell
Greenlaw (last year)
T.W (every year hold out)

Seems like everyone but the Cabo guys for the most part, but even Juice got cut last year (for a few days he was gone) but we did get him back just like Greenlaw. Do you guys think race is playing a part in this or is it something going on with the f/a recruiting or drafting of players?

We don't seem to have problems bringing in free agents or anything, so I am assuming this is something we can't see during the recruitment process?

Don't go full BA

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Kyle, it would appear based off BA's ranting, needs to perhaps measure himself a bit when leveling criticism towards his players. These are men playing a game for millions so they have to be able to take hard coaching. That said these are still men and not boys so Kyle has to know how to walk that hard line around hard coaching and managing egos it appears

lol really? The guy who ran to stop the Aiyuk trade is the guy Aiyuk is trying to blame for his quitting on the team?

This dude talked about being a Lambo and now he's all butt hurt cuz Kyle was coaching him hard? This is nonsense. Kyle has been praised by many players who never quit on their team for being excellent with his players but yes he's not a pushover and he coaches hard and keeps guys accountable. Clearly Aiyuk didn't like that.

What is it with the players that don't want to be here:

B.A
Deebo
De'Vondre Campbell
Greenlaw (last year)
T.W (every year hold out)

Seems like everyone but the Cabo guys for the most part, but even Juice got cut last year (for a few days he was gone) but we did get him back just like Greenlaw. Do you guys think race is playing a part in this or is it something going on with the f/a recruiting or drafting of players?

We don't seem to have problems bringing in free agents or anything, so I am assuming this is something we can't see during the recruitment process?

Don't go full BA

It's contagious!

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Kyle, it would appear based off BA's ranting, needs to perhaps measure himself a bit when leveling criticism towards his players. These are men playing a game for millions so they have to be able to take hard coaching. That said these are still men and not boys so Kyle has to know how to walk that hard line around hard coaching and managing egos it appears

lol really? The guy who ran to stop the Aiyuk trade is the guy Aiyuk is trying to blame for his quitting on the team?

This dude talked about being a Lambo and now he's all butt hurt cuz Kyle was coaching him hard? This is nonsense. Kyle has been praised by many players who never quit on their team for being excellent with his players but yes he's not a pushover and he coaches hard and keeps guys accountable. Clearly Aiyuk didn't like that.

What is it with the players that don't want to be here:

B.A
Deebo
De'Vondre Campbell
Greenlaw (last year)
T.W (every year hold out)

Seems like everyone but the Cabo guys for the most part, but even Juice got cut last year (for a few days he was gone) but we did get him back just like Greenlaw. Do you guys think race is playing a part in this or is it something going on with the f/a recruiting or drafting of players?

We don't seem to have problems bringing in free agents or anything, so I am assuming this is something we can't see during the recruitment process?

Are you trolling here?

How in the world are you lumping those players with Aiyuk and Campbell?

Greenlaw wanted to get paid and try to do his own thing. It clearly didn't work well and he came back…pretty sure he could've had other suitors.

Trent just wanted more money, same as Deebo. Deebo ironically talked about how great his relationship was with Kyle(because he wasn't a weak minded player) or something along those lines.

You said it yourself we don't have a problem signing FAs. Campbell had issues with other teams btw and clearly was a loser on a one year deal. Aiyuk may be having mental issues and still signed the extension to actually stay here with 3 trades on the table that offseason if he didn't actually want to stay here.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Kyle, it would appear based off BA's ranting, needs to perhaps measure himself a bit when leveling criticism towards his players. These are men playing a game for millions so they have to be able to take hard coaching. That said these are still men and not boys so Kyle has to know how to walk that hard line around hard coaching and managing egos it appears

lol really? The guy who ran to stop the Aiyuk trade is the guy Aiyuk is trying to blame for his quitting on the team?

This dude talked about being a Lambo and now he's all butt hurt cuz Kyle was coaching him hard? This is nonsense. Kyle has been praised by many players who never quit on their team for being excellent with his players but yes he's not a pushover and he coaches hard and keeps guys accountable. Clearly Aiyuk didn't like that.

What is it with the players that don't want to be here:

B.A
Deebo
De'Vondre Campbell
Greenlaw (last year)
T.W (every year hold out)

Seems like everyone but the Cabo guys for the most part, but even Juice got cut last year (for a few days he was gone) but we did get him back just like Greenlaw. Do you guys think race is playing a part in this or is it something going on with the f/a recruiting or drafting of players?

We don't seem to have problems bringing in free agents or anything, so I am assuming this is something we can't see during the recruitment process?

Are you trolling here?

How in the world are you lumping those players with Aiyuk and Campbell?

Greenlaw wanted to get paid and try to do his own thing. It clearly didn't work well and he came back…pretty sure he could've had other suitors.

Trent just wanted more money, same as Deebo. Deebo ironically talked about how great his relationship was with Kyle(because he wasn't a weak minded player) or something along those lines.

You said it yourself we don't have a problem signing FAs. Campbell had issues with other teams btw and clearly was a loser on a one year deal. Aiyuk may be having mental issues and still signed the extension to actually stay here with 3 trades on the table that offseason if he didn't actually want to stay here.

How in the world do you see this as trolling?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You just posted you were concerned with what Kyle said to Aiyuk on the previous page.. ain't nothing to be concerned about.. but there you go.. same with all the other FO fallacies

You are definitely confused. I said I was interested to learn what he said, not concerned. And I explained why I'm interested (timing/context).

If it helps when you listen to what he said I don't think we can really pinpoint when his issue with Kyle took place. It very well could've been the shorts issue. He simply mentioned it like "same GM who tracked me down to apologize for Kyle"

He didn't say John was apologizing for Kyle at that point.

To me it simply reads Kyle coached him hard at one point and Aiyuk got all pissy about it. John was trying to diffuse the situation.

I understand that not all players take to tough coaching but if we're expecting a guy to be our WR1 and paying him all that money then I expect him to grow a pair and keep playing good football.

Like how soft are we gonna get here?

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Kyle, it would appear based off BA's ranting, needs to perhaps measure himself a bit when leveling criticism towards his players. These are men playing a game for millions so they have to be able to take hard coaching. That said these are still men and not boys so Kyle has to know how to walk that hard line around hard coaching and managing egos it appears

lol really? The guy who ran to stop the Aiyuk trade is the guy Aiyuk is trying to blame for his quitting on the team?

This dude talked about being a Lambo and now he's all butt hurt cuz Kyle was coaching him hard? This is nonsense. Kyle has been praised by many players who never quit on their team for being excellent with his players but yes he's not a pushover and he coaches hard and keeps guys accountable. Clearly Aiyuk didn't like that.

What is it with the players that don't want to be here:

B.A
Deebo
De'Vondre Campbell
Greenlaw (last year)
T.W (every year hold out)

Seems like everyone but the Cabo guys for the most part, but even Juice got cut last year (for a few days he was gone) but we did get him back just like Greenlaw. Do you guys think race is playing a part in this or is it something going on with the f/a recruiting or drafting of players?

We don't seem to have problems bringing in free agents or anything, so I am assuming this is something we can't see during the recruitment process?

Are you trolling here?

How in the world are you lumping those players with Aiyuk and Campbell?

Greenlaw wanted to get paid and try to do his own thing. It clearly didn't work well and he came back…pretty sure he could've had other suitors.

Trent just wanted more money, same as Deebo. Deebo ironically talked about how great his relationship was with Kyle(because he wasn't a weak minded player) or something along those lines.

You said it yourself we don't have a problem signing FAs. Campbell had issues with other teams btw and clearly was a loser on a one year deal. Aiyuk may be having mental issues and still signed the extension to actually stay here with 3 trades on the table that offseason if he didn't actually want to stay here.

How in the world do you see this as trolling?

Read the rest of the post?

Originally posted by genus49:
If it helps when you listen to what he said I don't think we can really pinpoint when his issue with Kyle took place. It very well could've been the shorts issue. He simply mentioned it like "same GM who tracked me down to apologize for Kyle"

He didn't say John was apologizing for Kyle at that point.

To me it simply reads Kyle coached him hard at one point and Aiyuk got all pissy about it. John was trying to diffuse the situation.

I understand that not all players take to tough coaching but if we're expecting a guy to be our WR1 and paying him all that money then I expect him to grow a pair and keep playing good football.

Like how soft are we gonna get here?

I did listen to what he said, and I put it next to his actions. It is pretty easy to pinpoint the timing considering Aiyuk referenced it directly and it's also when he left the team and was placed on the left-squad/reserve list.

Could it have been a buildup with whatever situation Aiyuk is referencing acting as a final straw? Sure. That's probably what it was.

The bottom line is we've only been able to speculate Aiyuk's motivation in leaving the team up until this point, and now he is offering an explanation. It's not making him look better clearly.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by genus49:
If it helps when you listen to what he said I don't think we can really pinpoint when his issue with Kyle took place. It very well could've been the shorts issue. He simply mentioned it like "same GM who tracked me down to apologize for Kyle"

He didn't say John was apologizing for Kyle at that point.

To me it simply reads Kyle coached him hard at one point and Aiyuk got all pissy about it. John was trying to diffuse the situation.

I understand that not all players take to tough coaching but if we're expecting a guy to be our WR1 and paying him all that money then I expect him to grow a pair and keep playing good football.

Like how soft are we gonna get here?

I did listen to what he said, and I put it next to his actions. It is pretty easy to pinpoint the timing considering Aiyuk referenced it directly and it's also when he left the team and was placed on the left-squad/reserve list.

Could it have been a buildup with whatever situation Aiyuk is referencing acting as a final straw? Sure. That's probably what it was.

The bottom line is we've only been able to speculate Aiyuk's motivation in leaving the team up until this point, and now he is offering an explanation. It's not making him look better clearly.

You're fabricating a timeline here and you choose to believe the side that is mentally ill. Why?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You're fabricating a timeline here and you choose to believe the side that is mentally ill. Why?

What part of the timeline did I fabricate?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
You're fabricating a timeline here and you choose to believe the side that is mentally ill. Why?

What part of the timeline did I fabricate?

Well from the clips I seen, I haven't seen him say exactly when, where and what was said.

care to divulge that?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Well from the clips I seen, I haven't seen him say exactly when, where and what was said.

care to divulge that?

In terms of the when, I already did in my reply to Genus that you responded to. His statements in his recent video line up with the actions he took (ie, leaving the team in November, subsequently getting placed on the left-squad/reserve list in early December).

In terms of what was said, I have no idea. That's the part I'm interested in learning, remember?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Well from the clips I seen, I haven't seen him say exactly when, where and what was said.

care to divulge that?

In terms of the when, I already did in my reply to Genus that you responded to. His statements in his recent video line up with the actions he took (ie, leaving the team in November, subsequently getting placed on the left-squad/reserve list in early December).

In terms of what was said, I have no idea. That's the part I'm interested in learning, remember?

It doesn't, there's so many holes to his story. It could be at the time where he was not wearing the correct practice gear or when he ghosted the org and didn't show up in July. So unless you can provide proof Kyle said something to him in November, then it's all made up

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
It doesn't, there's so many holes to his story. It could be at the time where he was not wearing the correct practice gear or when he ghosted the org and didn't show up in July. So unless you can provide proof Kyle said something to him in November, then it's all made up

There aren't really holes in his story, though he's not including specifics. It's just a question of whether any reasonable person would see things the way he did and act similarly. Doesn't really seem like it right?

Either way, I acknowledged he could be outright lying in the first post I made in this chain, and none of the things you suggest here line up with his words or actions.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
It doesn't, there's so many holes to his story. It could be at the time where he was not wearing the correct practice gear or when he ghosted the org and didn't show up in July. So unless you can provide proof Kyle said something to him in November, then it's all made up

There aren't really holes in his story, though he's not including specifics. It's just a question of whether any reasonable person would see things the way he did and act similarly. Doesn't really seem like it right?

Either way, I acknowledged he could be outright lying in the first post I made in this chain, and none of the things you suggest here line up with his words or actions.

There's nothing in November for Kyle to say to BA that's on record

what I've listed is what actually happened. I can also add when BA was in the doghouse

With little facts and info, there's no way to pinpoint anything