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Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This is the problem with this guy.

* Pick DE. Still need a DE. Mykel Williams. Not a pass rusher and now injured.
* Pick WR. Still need WR. Aiyuk - Head Case. Ricky "GLASS" Persall. Stribling now picked. But we keep piking WR, WR, WR. Anybody see the problem?
* Coverage S. Who needs one? Ignore button.
* Offensive line. Who needs it? Late picks or ignore button.

But lots of fancy shifts and motions. Unfortunately it won't overcome this. This doesn't even include the 3 first rounders for Trey Lance. Which was a catastrophe. Just too many holes in the armor. If all you bring is shifts and motions and are a catastrophe at everything else that's a big problem.


A little early in the day to be hitting the sauce.

No sauce involved in this. Just cold hard truth about Shany and his failed regime. You will never win like this.

Don't know about sauce but you do understand that's not how drafts work right? Things change. Teams draft BPA(or at least what they consider that to be)

Injuries aren't something you can project. Especially when you go out of your way to draft guys who don't have injury history anymore. Pearsall never missed a game in college. Mykel only dealt with one injury and played through it unlike many others who would've missed a lot more time.

Mykel was drafted because they felt he was the BPA and gave them versatility on the DL and to start gave them an edge who was going to improve a terrible run defense - he did that in a big way until his injury. How about the fact that Bryce Huff retired from football? Pretty obvious why we have a need there if we keep losing players either via FA or retirement.

Evans and Kirk are both old. We selected Pearsall when we had what we figured was a prime Brandon Aiyuk and still at least expected a year or two of Deebo. Were the Seahawks hitting the sauce when they drafted JSN even though they already had DK and Lockett?

Coverage S was a need. I'm sure who they had available wasn't a good enough fit for them to pull the trigger. I have no doubt that if Thieneman was there at 27 we'd draft him.

All that complaining and the team just went 12-5 despite missing some of our best players and going into the season expecting Aiyuk to contribute. Clearly those fancy shifts and motions are doing something right. Not sure why you're even bringing up Trey Lance 5 years later. We've moved on, you should try it.

Wait, did SD say Shanny and his failed regime? Man, I didn't know going to what 4 NFC Title games(right we did go to 4, the two we were in SB, plus the loss to PHI & LAR), and then 2 SBs, plus countless 10+ win seasons, Playoffs nearly every year since 2019, except 2020 & 2024 seasons, yeah I don't see how he's failed, sure we haven't won a title, yet ppl think Harbaugh was a success and he went to one SB, lost it, idk how many NFC TItle games we went to and lost, what 2? SEA & NYG? Suire his tenure was short, but he had a huge ego, as well as Baalke, but damn, I don't see how Shanahan has failed, do ppl really wish we went back to the dark ages, when we have the likes of Erickson, Nolan, Kelly, & Tomsula HC or Baalke, McCloughan, & Jesus I forget who was GM under Erickson, was it Walsh? I seriously can't remember that long ago, I was like between 18-20yrs old, I'm now 42 almost.

I get why ppl aren't happy with Lynch's drafting, we do need to do better in the 1st-3rd rds, but damn, we've gotten plenty of talent from every round, Bosa, Kittle, Warner, Brock, McKivitz(whether you like him or not he's a top 10 RT, and the league lacks quality OL), DMo, Hufanga(sure he left but he was too expensive IMO for basically what we have/had in Brown & Mustapha), Dre, Jauan(Sucks but he overpriced himself, and should have taken the $15M APY deal), Burford(Not great but he started plenty of games), DJ Jones(Again he outpriced himself), Stout, Green, Puni, Mustapha, Brown(Not great but he's decent IMO), Winters, Bethune, even Aiyuk & Deebo were fine till they went all diva, West, Collins, Colby, players like that have upside, plus trades for Trent, CMC, UDFA/SFAs like Tonges, Breida, Mason, Bourne, Moseley, Sam O, among others.

Jury is still out on Pearsall, Mykel, Martin who all have tremendous upside, plus I do like the players we got in the draft, despite the RB pick, and the stupidness of a consensus board.

And sure he made some stupid picks & trades, Buckner, Kinlaw, Thomas(even though he was consensus top 10 pick despite that being a bogue thing IMO), Foster(I blame Saban for lying to us about him), Lance, Hurd, TDP, Sermon, Williams, Gray, Jackson, but I won't look at late round picks who didn't work out as most of those guys are unlikely to actually work out, I know the Malcolm Smith, Kwon Alexander, & Jerick McKinnon FA signees weren't great, but Ward was a great one, so was Juice.

So while I get ppl being upset, I mean look at all 32 GMs and teams, not everyone hits on every pick, trade, and signing, hell before the JSN draft the Seahawks weren't doing good, Rams also whiffed on a ton of picks, but because they won 1 SB everyone is all over them as if they're the best thing ever, yes Howie Roseman is the best GM in the NFL, I agree with that, but beyond the Eagles, Rams, Seahawks, Chiefs, I'm not sure who else would be better than the 49ers at drafting, FA and trades, I mean c'mon, Cowboys finally had a good looking draft, but how many bad picks have they had before, NE under Belicheck, or how bad the Raiders have been, Cards, so many bottom feeder teams are horrible, sure the Jets had a good looking draft, but they can't develop for s**t, at least Shanny has shown he can get the best out of his players, especially low rounders and UDFAs and low cost signings, hell look at teams who have went nuts in FA, Vikings in 2025, they didn't do jack, released Allen & Hargrave from last years class, all these top tier FAs who got overpaid, they hardly ever work out, plus at least under Lynch we've given out extensions and good deals, like Brock, Kittle(x2), Warner(x2), Trent(x3), CMC(x2), while Baalke didn't do jack extension wise, except Bowman but that didn't turn out good, nor was the Vance McDonald extension, or FAs, one of his biggest gets was Zane Beadles, yeah not great IMO, not sure how he got another GM job after 2016.

And I'm looking at FA and extensions from a money standpoint and how they did afterwards, yes the Deebo & Aiyuk ones were bad, but those who were good outweigh the bad ones big time, and I think our FA class this yr was strong, getting Evans for $14M APY, Dre on a 1yr $6.5M deal, Hobbs on a 1yr $3.5M deal, Lowe on a cheap 2yr $4.625M APY deal, Kirk on a 1yr $3M deal, plus he traded a 3rd(92nd) for Osa, while the Bengals gave up the 10th pick for Dexter Lawrence, who is close to 30, and they gave him a 1yr $28M extension, while Osa makes $20M APY, and IMO is a better pass rushing IDL than Dexter is, but that's my opinion.

So yeah, while not amazing, John isn't anywhere as bad as the majority of the NFL GMs, and Shanny is a top 5 HC, so they're a top 5 HC/GM duo IMO, and I wouldn't want anyone else, as any other team, outside of like 8-10 would want Kyle as the teams new HC IMO.
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Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This is the problem with this guy.

* Pick DE. Still need a DE. Mykel Williams. Not a pass rusher and now injured.
* Pick WR. Still need WR. Aiyuk - Head Case. Ricky "GLASS" Persall. Stribling now picked. But we keep piking WR, WR, WR. Anybody see the problem?
* Coverage S. Who needs one? Ignore button.
* Offensive line. Who needs it? Late picks or ignore button.

But lots of fancy shifts and motions. Unfortunately it won't overcome this. This doesn't even include the 3 first rounders for Trey Lance. Which was a catastrophe. Just too many holes in the armor. If all you bring is shifts and motions and are a catastrophe at everything else that's a big problem.


A little early in the day to be hitting the sauce.

No sauce involved in this. Just cold hard truth about Shany and his failed regime. You will never win like this.

Don't know about sauce but you do understand that's not how drafts work right? Things change. Teams draft BPA(or at least what they consider that to be)

Injuries aren't something you can project. Especially when you go out of your way to draft guys who don't have injury history anymore. Pearsall never missed a game in college. Mykel only dealt with one injury and played through it unlike many others who would've missed a lot more time.

Mykel was drafted because they felt he was the BPA and gave them versatility on the DL and to start gave them an edge who was going to improve a terrible run defense - he did that in a big way until his injury. How about the fact that Bryce Huff retired from football? Pretty obvious why we have a need there if we keep losing players either via FA or retirement.

Evans and Kirk are both old. We selected Pearsall when we had what we figured was a prime Brandon Aiyuk and still at least expected a year or two of Deebo. Were the Seahawks hitting the sauce when they drafted JSN even though they already had DK and Lockett?

Coverage S was a need. I'm sure who they had available wasn't a good enough fit for them to pull the trigger. I have no doubt that if Thieneman was there at 27 we'd draft him.

All that complaining and the team just went 12-5 despite missing some of our best players and going into the season expecting Aiyuk to contribute. Clearly those fancy shifts and motions are doing something right. Not sure why you're even bringing up Trey Lance 5 years later. We've moved on, you should try it.

Wait, did SD say Shanny and his failed regime? Man, I didn't know going to what 4 NFC Title games(right we did go to 4, the two we were in SB, plus the loss to PHI & LAR), and then 2 SBs, plus countless 10+ win seasons, Playoffs nearly every year since 2019, except 2020 & 2024 seasons, yeah I don't see how he's failed, sure we haven't won a title, yet ppl think Harbaugh was a success and he went to one SB, lost it, idk how many NFC TItle games we went to and lost, what 2? SEA & NYG? Suire his tenure was short, but he had a huge ego, as well as Baalke, but damn, I don't see how Shanahan has failed, do ppl really wish we went back to the dark ages, when we have the likes of Erickson, Nolan, Kelly, & Tomsula HC or Baalke, McCloughan, & Jesus I forget who was GM under Erickson, was it Walsh? I seriously can't remember that long ago, I was like between 18-20yrs old, I'm now 42 almost.

I get why ppl aren't happy with Lynch's drafting, we do need to do better in the 1st-3rd rds, but damn, we've gotten plenty of talent from every round, Bosa, Kittle, Warner, Brock, McKivitz(whether you like him or not he's a top 10 RT, and the league lacks quality OL), DMo, Hufanga(sure he left but he was too expensive IMO for basically what we have/had in Brown & Mustapha), Dre, Jauan(Sucks but he overpriced himself, and should have taken the $15M APY deal), Burford(Not great but he started plenty of games), DJ Jones(Again he outpriced himself), Stout, Green, Puni, Mustapha, Brown(Not great but he's decent IMO), Winters, Bethune, even Aiyuk & Deebo were fine till they went all diva, West, Collins, Colby, players like that have upside, plus trades for Trent, CMC, UDFA/SFAs like Tonges, Breida, Mason, Bourne, Moseley, Sam O, among others.

Jury is still out on Pearsall, Mykel, Martin who all have tremendous upside, plus I do like the players we got in the draft, despite the RB pick, and the stupidness of a consensus board.

And sure he made some stupid picks & trades, Buckner, Kinlaw, Thomas(even though he was consensus top 10 pick despite that being a bogue thing IMO), Foster(I blame Saban for lying to us about him), Lance, Hurd, TDP, Sermon, Williams, Gray, Jackson, but I won't look at late round picks who didn't work out as most of those guys are unlikely to actually work out, I know the Malcolm Smith, Kwon Alexander, & Jerick McKinnon FA signees weren't great, but Ward was a great one, so was Juice.

So while I get ppl being upset, I mean look at all 32 GMs and teams, not everyone hits on every pick, trade, and signing, hell before the JSN draft the Seahawks weren't doing good, Rams also whiffed on a ton of picks, but because they won 1 SB everyone is all over them as if they're the best thing ever, yes Howie Roseman is the best GM in the NFL, I agree with that, but beyond the Eagles, Rams, Seahawks, Chiefs, I'm not sure who else would be better than the 49ers at drafting, FA and trades, I mean c'mon, Cowboys finally had a good looking draft, but how many bad picks have they had before, NE under Belicheck, or how bad the Raiders have been, Cards, so many bottom feeder teams are horrible, sure the Jets had a good looking draft, but they can't develop for s**t, at least Shanny has shown he can get the best out of his players, especially low rounders and UDFAs and low cost signings, hell look at teams who have went nuts in FA, Vikings in 2025, they didn't do jack, released Allen & Hargrave from last years class, all these top tier FAs who got overpaid, they hardly ever work out, plus at least under Lynch we've given out extensions and good deals, like Brock, Kittle(x2), Warner(x2), Trent(x3), CMC(x2), while Baalke didn't do jack extension wise, except Bowman but that didn't turn out good, nor was the Vance McDonald extension, or FAs, one of his biggest gets was Zane Beadles, yeah not great IMO, not sure how he got another GM job after 2016.

And I'm looking at FA and extensions from a money standpoint and how they did afterwards, yes the Deebo & Aiyuk ones were bad, but those who were good outweigh the bad ones big time, and I think our FA class this yr was strong, getting Evans for $14M APY, Dre on a 1yr $6.5M deal, Hobbs on a 1yr $3.5M deal, Lowe on a cheap 2yr $4.625M APY deal, Kirk on a 1yr $3M deal, plus he traded a 3rd(92nd) for Osa, while the Bengals gave up the 10th pick for Dexter Lawrence, who is close to 30, and they gave him a 1yr $28M extension, while Osa makes $20M APY, and IMO is a better pass rushing IDL than Dexter is, but that's my opinion.

So yeah, while not amazing, John isn't anywhere as bad as the majority of the NFL GMs, and Shanny is a top 5 HC, so they're a top 5 HC/GM duo IMO, and I wouldn't want anyone else, as any other team, outside of like 8-10 would want Kyle as the teams new HC IMO.

Agree 💯% AB.

I'll just add this. Finding an all pro QB player in the 262nd pick of the draft is beyond just *luck.* Luck is finding Fred Warner in the 3rd round. In the entire history of the NFL, there never has been (to my recollection) an all pro QB picked in the 262nd pick of the draft. There's, I think, a little bit of skill involved in there for sure. Not just luck. Then you add in all the UDFA gems they've hit on in the past. Regime Failure would be the furthest thing from my mind, given the roster generation metrics that ShanaLynch's history has generated in the past. Now are they perfect? No! They can get better. That's the exciting thing - is, I think, they are getting better.
Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree 💯% AB.

I'll just add this. Finding an all pro QB player in the 262nd pick of the draft is beyond just *luck.* Luck is finding Fred Warner in the 3rd round. In the entire history of the NFL, there never has been (to my recollection) an all pro QB picked in the 262nd pick of the draft. There's, I think, a little bit of skill involved in there for sure. Not just luck. Then you add in all the UDFA gems they've hit on in the past. Regime Failure would be the furthest thing from my mind, given the roster generation metrics that ShanaLynch's history has generated in the past. Now are they perfect? No! They can get better. That's the exciting thing - is, I think, they are getting better.

An analog might be Johnny Unitas picked in the 9th round I believe. 102 pick because there werent a lot teams at the time.
[ Edited by brodiebluebanaszak on May 1, 2026 at 10:27 AM ]
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This is the problem with this guy.

* Pick DE. Still need a DE. Mykel Williams. Not a pass rusher and now injured.
* Pick WR. Still need WR. Aiyuk - Head Case. Ricky "GLASS" Persall. Stribling now picked. But we keep piking WR, WR, WR. Anybody see the problem?
* Coverage S. Who needs one? Ignore button.
* Offensive line. Who needs it? Late picks or ignore button.

But lots of fancy shifts and motions. Unfortunately it won't overcome this. This doesn't even include the 3 first rounders for Trey Lance. Which was a catastrophe. Just too many holes in the armor. If all you bring is shifts and motions and are a catastrophe at everything else that's a big problem.


A little early in the day to be hitting the sauce.

No sauce involved in this. Just cold hard truth about Shany and his failed regime. You will never win like this.

Don't know about sauce but you do understand that's not how drafts work right? Things change. Teams draft BPA(or at least what they consider that to be)

Injuries aren't something you can project. Especially when you go out of your way to draft guys who don't have injury history anymore. Pearsall never missed a game in college. Mykel only dealt with one injury and played through it unlike many others who would've missed a lot more time.

Mykel was drafted because they felt he was the BPA and gave them versatility on the DL and to start gave them an edge who was going to improve a terrible run defense - he did that in a big way until his injury. How about the fact that Bryce Huff retired from football? Pretty obvious why we have a need there if we keep losing players either via FA or retirement.

Evans and Kirk are both old. We selected Pearsall when we had what we figured was a prime Brandon Aiyuk and still at least expected a year or two of Deebo. Were the Seahawks hitting the sauce when they drafted JSN even though they already had DK and Lockett?

Coverage S was a need. I'm sure who they had available wasn't a good enough fit for them to pull the trigger. I have no doubt that if Thieneman was there at 27 we'd draft him.

All that complaining and the team just went 12-5 despite missing some of our best players and going into the season expecting Aiyuk to contribute. Clearly those fancy shifts and motions are doing something right. Not sure why you're even bringing up Trey Lance 5 years later. We've moved on, you should try it.

Wait, did SD say Shanny and his failed regime? Man, I didn't know going to what 4 NFC Title games(right we did go to 4, the two we were in SB, plus the loss to PHI & LAR), and then 2 SBs, plus countless 10+ win seasons, Playoffs nearly every year since 2019, except 2020 & 2024 seasons, yeah I don't see how he's failed, sure we haven't won a title, yet ppl think Harbaugh was a success and he went to one SB, lost it, idk how many NFC TItle games we went to and lost, what 2? SEA & NYG? Suire his tenure was short, but he had a huge ego, as well as Baalke, but damn, I don't see how Shanahan has failed, do ppl really wish we went back to the dark ages, when we have the likes of Erickson, Nolan, Kelly, & Tomsula HC or Baalke, McCloughan, & Jesus I forget who was GM under Erickson, was it Walsh? I seriously can't remember that long ago, I was like between 18-20yrs old, I'm now 42 almost.

I get why ppl aren't happy with Lynch's drafting, we do need to do better in the 1st-3rd rds, but damn, we've gotten plenty of talent from every round, Bosa, Kittle, Warner, Brock, McKivitz(whether you like him or not he's a top 10 RT, and the league lacks quality OL), DMo, Hufanga(sure he left but he was too expensive IMO for basically what we have/had in Brown & Mustapha), Dre, Jauan(Sucks but he overpriced himself, and should have taken the $15M APY deal), Burford(Not great but he started plenty of games), DJ Jones(Again he outpriced himself), Stout, Green, Puni, Mustapha, Brown(Not great but he's decent IMO), Winters, Bethune, even Aiyuk & Deebo were fine till they went all diva, West, Collins, Colby, players like that have upside, plus trades for Trent, CMC, UDFA/SFAs like Tonges, Breida, Mason, Bourne, Moseley, Sam O, among others.

Jury is still out on Pearsall, Mykel, Martin who all have tremendous upside, plus I do like the players we got in the draft, despite the RB pick, and the stupidness of a consensus board.

And sure he made some stupid picks & trades, Buckner, Kinlaw, Thomas(even though he was consensus top 10 pick despite that being a bogue thing IMO), Foster(I blame Saban for lying to us about him), Lance, Hurd, TDP, Sermon, Williams, Gray, Jackson, but I won't look at late round picks who didn't work out as most of those guys are unlikely to actually work out, I know the Malcolm Smith, Kwon Alexander, & Jerick McKinnon FA signees weren't great, but Ward was a great one, so was Juice.

So while I get ppl being upset, I mean look at all 32 GMs and teams, not everyone hits on every pick, trade, and signing, hell before the JSN draft the Seahawks weren't doing good, Rams also whiffed on a ton of picks, but because they won 1 SB everyone is all over them as if they're the best thing ever, yes Howie Roseman is the best GM in the NFL, I agree with that, but beyond the Eagles, Rams, Seahawks, Chiefs, I'm not sure who else would be better than the 49ers at drafting, FA and trades, I mean c'mon, Cowboys finally had a good looking draft, but how many bad picks have they had before, NE under Belicheck, or how bad the Raiders have been, Cards, so many bottom feeder teams are horrible, sure the Jets had a good looking draft, but they can't develop for s**t, at least Shanny has shown he can get the best out of his players, especially low rounders and UDFAs and low cost signings, hell look at teams who have went nuts in FA, Vikings in 2025, they didn't do jack, released Allen & Hargrave from last years class, all these top tier FAs who got overpaid, they hardly ever work out, plus at least under Lynch we've given out extensions and good deals, like Brock, Kittle(x2), Warner(x2), Trent(x3), CMC(x2), while Baalke didn't do jack extension wise, except Bowman but that didn't turn out good, nor was the Vance McDonald extension, or FAs, one of his biggest gets was Zane Beadles, yeah not great IMO, not sure how he got another GM job after 2016.

And I'm looking at FA and extensions from a money standpoint and how they did afterwards, yes the Deebo & Aiyuk ones were bad, but those who were good outweigh the bad ones big time, and I think our FA class this yr was strong, getting Evans for $14M APY, Dre on a 1yr $6.5M deal, Hobbs on a 1yr $3.5M deal, Lowe on a cheap 2yr $4.625M APY deal, Kirk on a 1yr $3M deal, plus he traded a 3rd(92nd) for Osa, while the Bengals gave up the 10th pick for Dexter Lawrence, who is close to 30, and they gave him a 1yr $28M extension, while Osa makes $20M APY, and IMO is a better pass rushing IDL than Dexter is, but that's my opinion.

So yeah, while not amazing, John isn't anywhere as bad as the majority of the NFL GMs, and Shanny is a top 5 HC, so they're a top 5 HC/GM duo IMO, and I wouldn't want anyone else, as any other team, outside of like 8-10 would want Kyle as the teams new HC IMO.

Agree 💯% AB.

I'll just add this. Finding an all pro QB player in the 262nd pick of the draft is beyond just *luck.* Luck is finding Fred Warner in the 3rd round. In the entire history of the NFL, there never has been (to my recollection) an all pro QB picked in the 262nd pick of the draft. There's, I think, a little bit of skill involved in there for sure. Not just luck. Then you add in all the UDFA gems they've hit on in the past. Regime Failure would be the furthest thing from my mind, given the roster generation metrics that ShanaLynch's history has generated in the past. Now are they perfect? No! They can get better. That's the exciting thing - is, I think, they are getting better.

I hear you on landing Purdy, but to say that there was skill involved and very little luck would be a reach. Lynch & Shanahan also drafted C.J Beathard in the 3rd, and Trey Lance #3 overall. Were these just bad luck or a lack of skills on the part of our F/O? we have been very "unlucky" when it comes to top 5 draft picks as well.

Was the Patriots not lucky when they drafted Tom Brady? I think certain guys had an eye for drafting for their system, it must be hard to do since very few GM's get it right.

With that said A.B is correct, this is not a total failure due to coaching and other aspects like free agency and trades. We suck at drafting for the most part and thats ok because there are other ways to build a football team. Both things can be true.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by AB81Rules:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
This is the problem with this guy.

* Pick DE. Still need a DE. Mykel Williams. Not a pass rusher and now injured.
* Pick WR. Still need WR. Aiyuk - Head Case. Ricky "GLASS" Persall. Stribling now picked. But we keep piking WR, WR, WR. Anybody see the problem?
* Coverage S. Who needs one? Ignore button.
* Offensive line. Who needs it? Late picks or ignore button.

But lots of fancy shifts and motions. Unfortunately it won't overcome this. This doesn't even include the 3 first rounders for Trey Lance. Which was a catastrophe. Just too many holes in the armor. If all you bring is shifts and motions and are a catastrophe at everything else that's a big problem.


A little early in the day to be hitting the sauce.

No sauce involved in this. Just cold hard truth about Shany and his failed regime. You will never win like this.

Don't know about sauce but you do understand that's not how drafts work right? Things change. Teams draft BPA(or at least what they consider that to be)

Injuries aren't something you can project. Especially when you go out of your way to draft guys who don't have injury history anymore. Pearsall never missed a game in college. Mykel only dealt with one injury and played through it unlike many others who would've missed a lot more time.

Mykel was drafted because they felt he was the BPA and gave them versatility on the DL and to start gave them an edge who was going to improve a terrible run defense - he did that in a big way until his injury. How about the fact that Bryce Huff retired from football? Pretty obvious why we have a need there if we keep losing players either via FA or retirement.

Evans and Kirk are both old. We selected Pearsall when we had what we figured was a prime Brandon Aiyuk and still at least expected a year or two of Deebo. Were the Seahawks hitting the sauce when they drafted JSN even though they already had DK and Lockett?

Coverage S was a need. I'm sure who they had available wasn't a good enough fit for them to pull the trigger. I have no doubt that if Thieneman was there at 27 we'd draft him.

All that complaining and the team just went 12-5 despite missing some of our best players and going into the season expecting Aiyuk to contribute. Clearly those fancy shifts and motions are doing something right. Not sure why you're even bringing up Trey Lance 5 years later. We've moved on, you should try it.

Wait, did SD say Shanny and his failed regime? Man, I didn't know going to what 4 NFC Title games(right we did go to 4, the two we were in SB, plus the loss to PHI & LAR), and then 2 SBs, plus countless 10+ win seasons, Playoffs nearly every year since 2019, except 2020 & 2024 seasons, yeah I don't see how he's failed, sure we haven't won a title, yet ppl think Harbaugh was a success and he went to one SB, lost it, idk how many NFC TItle games we went to and lost, what 2? SEA & NYG? Suire his tenure was short, but he had a huge ego, as well as Baalke, but damn, I don't see how Shanahan has failed, do ppl really wish we went back to the dark ages, when we have the likes of Erickson, Nolan, Kelly, & Tomsula HC or Baalke, McCloughan, & Jesus I forget who was GM under Erickson, was it Walsh? I seriously can't remember that long ago, I was like between 18-20yrs old, I'm now 42 almost.

I get why ppl aren't happy with Lynch's drafting, we do need to do better in the 1st-3rd rds, but damn, we've gotten plenty of talent from every round, Bosa, Kittle, Warner, Brock, McKivitz(whether you like him or not he's a top 10 RT, and the league lacks quality OL), DMo, Hufanga(sure he left but he was too expensive IMO for basically what we have/had in Brown & Mustapha), Dre, Jauan(Sucks but he overpriced himself, and should have taken the $15M APY deal), Burford(Not great but he started plenty of games), DJ Jones(Again he outpriced himself), Stout, Green, Puni, Mustapha, Brown(Not great but he's decent IMO), Winters, Bethune, even Aiyuk & Deebo were fine till they went all diva, West, Collins, Colby, players like that have upside, plus trades for Trent, CMC, UDFA/SFAs like Tonges, Breida, Mason, Bourne, Moseley, Sam O, among others.

Jury is still out on Pearsall, Mykel, Martin who all have tremendous upside, plus I do like the players we got in the draft, despite the RB pick, and the stupidness of a consensus board.

And sure he made some stupid picks & trades, Buckner, Kinlaw, Thomas(even though he was consensus top 10 pick despite that being a bogue thing IMO), Foster(I blame Saban for lying to us about him), Lance, Hurd, TDP, Sermon, Williams, Gray, Jackson, but I won't look at late round picks who didn't work out as most of those guys are unlikely to actually work out, I know the Malcolm Smith, Kwon Alexander, & Jerick McKinnon FA signees weren't great, but Ward was a great one, so was Juice.

So while I get ppl being upset, I mean look at all 32 GMs and teams, not everyone hits on every pick, trade, and signing, hell before the JSN draft the Seahawks weren't doing good, Rams also whiffed on a ton of picks, but because they won 1 SB everyone is all over them as if they're the best thing ever, yes Howie Roseman is the best GM in the NFL, I agree with that, but beyond the Eagles, Rams, Seahawks, Chiefs, I'm not sure who else would be better than the 49ers at drafting, FA and trades, I mean c'mon, Cowboys finally had a good looking draft, but how many bad picks have they had before, NE under Belicheck, or how bad the Raiders have been, Cards, so many bottom feeder teams are horrible, sure the Jets had a good looking draft, but they can't develop for s**t, at least Shanny has shown he can get the best out of his players, especially low rounders and UDFAs and low cost signings, hell look at teams who have went nuts in FA, Vikings in 2025, they didn't do jack, released Allen & Hargrave from last years class, all these top tier FAs who got overpaid, they hardly ever work out, plus at least under Lynch we've given out extensions and good deals, like Brock, Kittle(x2), Warner(x2), Trent(x3), CMC(x2), while Baalke didn't do jack extension wise, except Bowman but that didn't turn out good, nor was the Vance McDonald extension, or FAs, one of his biggest gets was Zane Beadles, yeah not great IMO, not sure how he got another GM job after 2016.

And I'm looking at FA and extensions from a money standpoint and how they did afterwards, yes the Deebo & Aiyuk ones were bad, but those who were good outweigh the bad ones big time, and I think our FA class this yr was strong, getting Evans for $14M APY, Dre on a 1yr $6.5M deal, Hobbs on a 1yr $3.5M deal, Lowe on a cheap 2yr $4.625M APY deal, Kirk on a 1yr $3M deal, plus he traded a 3rd(92nd) for Osa, while the Bengals gave up the 10th pick for Dexter Lawrence, who is close to 30, and they gave him a 1yr $28M extension, while Osa makes $20M APY, and IMO is a better pass rushing IDL than Dexter is, but that's my opinion.

So yeah, while not amazing, John isn't anywhere as bad as the majority of the NFL GMs, and Shanny is a top 5 HC, so they're a top 5 HC/GM duo IMO, and I wouldn't want anyone else, as any other team, outside of like 8-10 would want Kyle as the teams new HC IMO.

Agree 💯% AB.

I'll just add this. Finding an all pro QB player in the 262nd pick of the draft is beyond just *luck.* Luck is finding Fred Warner in the 3rd round. In the entire history of the NFL, there never has been (to my recollection) an all pro QB picked in the 262nd pick of the draft. There's, I think, a little bit of skill involved in there for sure. Not just luck. Then you add in all the UDFA gems they've hit on in the past. Regime Failure would be the furthest thing from my mind, given the roster generation metrics that ShanaLynch's history has generated in the past. Now are they perfect? No! They can get better. That's the exciting thing - is, I think, they are getting better.

I hear you on landing Purdy, but to say that there was skill involved and very little luck would be a reach. Lynch & Shanahan also drafted C.J Beathard in the 3rd, and Trey Lance #3 overall. Were these just bad luck or a lack of skills on the part of our F/O? we have been very "unlucky" when it comes to top 5 draft picks as well.

Was the Patriots not lucky when they drafted Tom Brady? I think certain guys had an eye for drafting for their system, it must be hard to do since very few GM's get it right.

With that said A.B is correct, this is not a total failure due to coaching and other aspects like free agency and trades. We suck at drafting for the most part and thats ok because there are other ways to build a football team. Both things can be true.
It doesn't matter what round or number pick they are. All these guys are skilled and talented to play in the NFL

what separates the ones who stay and the ones who leave is the work that goes into being a NFL player
I understand most of the players selected had quite high athletic profiles, someone correct me if I'm misinformed. But if so, isn't that what people want? At least that's what I heard the scouting department and coaches were stressing real high, athletic profiles.
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Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:
An analog might be Johnny Unitas picked in the 9th round I believe. 102 pick because there werent a lot teams at the time.

I'll go one better Roger Staubach picked in the 16th round. Yeah, and the coach who picked picked him is in the *Hall of Fame*. Same with Johnny Unitas in Baltimore.
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Originally posted by glorydayz:
I hear you on landing Purdy, but to say that there was skill involved and very little luck would be a reach. Lynch & Shanahan also drafted C.J Beathard in the 3rd, and Trey Lance #3 overall. Were these just bad luck or a lack of skills on the part of our F/O? we have been very "unlucky" when it comes to top 5 draft picks as well.

Was the Patriots not lucky when they drafted Tom Brady? I think certain guys had an eye for drafting for their system, it must be hard to do since very few GM's get it right.

With that said A.B is correct, this is not a total failure due to coaching and other aspects like free agency and trades. We suck at drafting for the most part and thats ok because there are other ways to build a football team. Both things can be true.
One reason ShanaLynch sucks at drafing is because they're frequently picking almost dead last in some cases. How many bottom feeding coaches have great drafts because the previous season they sucked in the win/loss department.

Regarding *skill.* The two coaches who found Roger Staubach and Johnny Unitas are in the hall of fame. Both Roger and Johny would be the equivalent of undrafted in today's world. A more recent version is the coach who found Kurt Warner, and he's also in the hall of fame. The guy who found Tom will probably be in Canton sooner or later.

Point being finding gems in the later rounds speaks to a lot of luck but at the same time also a *lot of coaching and player development skill.*

ShanaLynch isn't perfect, no one is. But they are a hell of a lot more successful than most other HC/GM combos out there. Even Walsh had misfires. Todd Shell comes to mind.
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