49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
It was a knee jerk reaction to McVay beating them to Stafford. Kyle fell asleep. McVay wooed Stafford into joining LA. Kyle and Lynch panicked. They sold the farm to move up in the draft without knowing for sure whether they wanted Fields, Mac, or Trey. Kyle probably wanted Mac (who would have been available if they stood pat), but was convinced into drafting a mobile possibly more versatile QB. So he balked and went with a project QB.

it was a s**t show all around, and both clowns should be kissing Purdy's ass for saving their jobs…

You really back on this?

If the Lions were truly interested in getting the best offer they could get for Stafford they would've gotten back to Shanahan. The Rams had 0 leverage for a "if you don't take this deal now it's gone" play.

The Lions GM wanted Goff as part of the deal and got what he wanted. Clearly there was no follow up with Kyle or the 49ers. You've literally posted the article that shows just that. There was no communication back from the Lions.

If you're trying to buy something from someone and they're ignoring your communication, what exactly can you do about it?

Why they pivoted to making that trade up we'll never know. Obviously they claimed it was so they could scout them in the open without worrying about teams knowing they wanted a QB but it wasn't a good idea then or now even less so. If it wasn't for covid maybe they get a better read on Lance and make the right pick.

Either way you need to stop playing the whole Stafford situation like Kyle simply let him go to the Rams due to some sort of negligence.

Do you think that video shows something other than what I said? This has all been discussed already.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The problem with Shany is this.

Positives:

* Shifts and motions.
* Innovative offense.

Negatives:

* Draft....
* Free Agency....
* Internal extensions (Ex - Aiyuk)....
* Trades (Trey Lance)....
* Ignore offensive line....
* Cap management and dead money....
* Down 8 points. 0 - 51 including playoffs since 2017....
* Routinely chokes in the big games. Against top competition. Can beat the softball teams....
* Always one of the most injured teams at key positions....

The question is do fancy shifts and motions outweigh all of that? I submit to you that they do not. Thus the problem. There is more to running a team and front office than shifts and motions. Shany would be better as an offensive coordinator or a coach with very limited front office say. He's a complete disaster at everything front office related that you need to win. Does he do good shifts and motions? You could make the argument. But does it outweigh the huge negatives that he also brings? I would say no by a long shot.

Just don't think you can ever win with him. He's so bad in the categories you really need to build a winning program. While fooling a lot of fans with the fancy, elaborate shifts and motions. Which are not everything in building a championship football team.

This is a joke list and you know it. Your stats aren't even accurate, least you can do is use google.

How do the 49ers have some of the best rosters in the NFL since Kyle took over if he can't draft, trade or bring in key players in free agency?

Honestly these posts are so ridiculously disingenuous I can't believe you make it with a straight face.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Gonna be a long offseason in this thread with the 3 stooges posting ad nauseum..

Could have shut us up 2 years ago.

lost opportunity.

As long as you're not rehashing the same stuff we covered 2 years ago you're welcome to voice your concerns.

However recent posts have shown some of you guys are incapable of doing that.

This season has been very different from Kyle before. There has been a nice article written about just how different. We've beaten the Lance move to death, as well as the SB issues.

Bring new discussion…

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The problem with Shany is this.

Positives:

* Shifts and motions.
* Innovative offense.

Negatives:

* Draft....
* Free Agency....
* Internal extensions (Ex - Aiyuk)....
* Trades (Trey Lance)....
* Ignore offensive line....
* Cap management and dead money....
* Down 8 points. 0 - 51 including playoffs since 2017....
* Routinely chokes in the big games. Against top competition. Can beat the softball teams....
* Always one of the most injured teams at key positions....

The question is do fancy shifts and motions outweigh all of that? I submit to you that they do not. Thus the problem. There is more to running a team and front office than shifts and motions. Shany would be better as an offensive coordinator or a coach with very limited front office say. He's a complete disaster at everything front office related that you need to win. Does he do good shifts and motions? You could make the argument. But does it outweigh the huge negatives that he also brings? I would say no by a long shot.

Just don't think you can ever win with him. He's so bad in the categories you really need to build a winning program. While fooling a lot of fans with the fancy, elaborate shifts and motions. Which are not everything in building a championship football team.

I wrote a lengthy point-by-point refutation for all your nonsense claims but when I went back and reviewed I deleted it all. It wouldn't make any difference to you anyway.

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Oh and Shanny did not want then modern day GOAT.

Beat me to it 9moon...

the ONE argument these Shannanygans will NEVAHHH win !! lol..

he didn't want the 2nd best QB that ever to play the game because he had a subpar year and stayed w/Grappy who he wasn't ALL IN...

THEN, he traded nearly the entire CAMELOT for a young prospect that reminded him of MAHOMES who he also DID NOT WANT after working him out and called him a FREAK OF NATURE....

that's our HC !!!!

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
IDGAF who's better between McVay and MacDonald. They both will have SB rings on their fingers. If Kyle had won one like he was supposed to this isn't even an argument. To the victor belong the spoils. Arguing who is a better SB winning coach is irrelevant. What's relevant is do you consider a guy in his second year winning a SB better than a guy not winning one in 10 years ? And IMO 1 SB win >>>>> 2 SB losses, but something tells me you would disagree.

I.e. it's all about trashing Kyle and not holding all other coaches to one standard.

If Kyle gets fired and then wins SBs elsewhere like Reid are you gonna say you were wrong? Of course not. It'll be a "he just needed a change of scenery"

i've ALREADY said this over and over... Kyle may win one or two, but it WONT be here... it's FATE... it's pretty similar to Marty... a very good HC, but was not meant to be...

Just like Marino and Kelly, NOT MEANT TO BE...

..

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
IDGAF who's better between McVay and MacDonald. They both will have SB rings on their fingers. If Kyle had won one like he was supposed to this isn't even an argument. To the victor belong the spoils. Arguing who is a better SB winning coach is irrelevant. What's relevant is do you consider a guy in his second year winning a SB better than a guy not winning one in 10 years ? And IMO 1 SB win >>>>> 2 SB losses, but something tells me you would disagree.

I.e. it's all about trashing Kyle and not holding all other coaches to one standard.

If Kyle gets fired and then wins SBs elsewhere like Reid are you gonna say you were wrong? Of course not. It'll be a "he just needed a change of scenery"

i've ALREADY said this over and over... Kyle may win one or two, but it WONT be here... it's FATE... it's pretty similar to Marty... a very good HC, but was not meant to be...

Just like Marino and Kelly, NOT MEANT TO BE...

..

If getting rid of shanahan brings us 2 superbowls over the next 10 years just like the eagles after canning Reid count me in.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If getting rid of shanahan brings us 2 superbowls over the next 10 years just like the eagles after canning Reid count me in.

If you could guarantee that everyone here would sign up for that.

You can't so you all need to stop making points like that cuz they're based on nothing but hypotheticals.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Oh and Shanny did not want then modern day GOAT.

Beat me to it 9moon...

the ONE argument these Shannanygans will NEVAHHH win !! lol..

he didn't want the 2nd best QB that ever to play the game because he had a subpar year and stayed w/Grappy who he wasn't ALL IN...

THEN, he traded nearly the entire CAMELOT for a young prospect that reminded him of MAHOMES who he also DID NOT WANT after working him out and called him a FREAK OF NATURE....

that's our HC !!!!

Your use of capitals doesn't make your posts any better. In fact it just reminds us why few take these takes seriously.

If you can't wrap your head around why Shanahan didn't make the switch from Garoppolo after the 2019 season to 43 year old Tom Brady then clearly you're not looking for serious conversations.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Gonna be a long offseason in this thread with the 3 stooges posting ad nauseum..

Could have shut us up 2 years ago.

lost opportunity.

As long as you're not rehashing the same stuff we covered 2 years ago you're welcome to voice your concerns.

However recent posts have shown some of you guys are incapable of doing that.

This season has been very different from Kyle before. There has been a nice article written about just how different. We've beaten the Lance move to death, as well as the SB issues.

Bring new discussion…

What new discussion? We got trounced in the playoffs by a division rival that was irrelevant just 2 years ago. Two of the 4 coaches in the division might have SB rings pending SB outcome. Everything about the team NOW is somehow connected to those bad decisions from back then. If we have a SB ring this thread would probably be half as long…

Originally posted by DrEll:
What new discussion? We got trounced in the playoffs by a division rival that was irrelevant just 2 years ago. Two of the 4 coaches in the division might have SB rings pending SB outcome. Everything about the team NOW is somehow connected to those bad decisions from back then. If we have a SB ring this thread would probably be half as long…

Do you ever grow in life or do you make the same decisions no matter what?

Not acknowledging that Kyle is adjusting and changing how he does things leads to disingenuous discussions.

Yes they had some very questionable decisions in the past, Can they learn from them? We've seen them learn from mistakes and adjust. If Kyle can fix his weak spots you get a much better chance to win a SB.

You clearly think he's who he is and there is no room to improve. That's you being stuck in your opinion and ignoring anything showing otherwise and calling it excuses.

For instance Kyle's game management and time management has been much better this season than in the past. He's become more aggressive in regards to 4th down. Draft wise they've also adjusted, whether avoiding off the field issues after Foster, avoiding guys with injuries like Kinlaw/Hurd or avoiding guys who don't love football like Pettis.

I'd rather have a coach who is willing to admit his mistakes and grow from them. You simply think he's the same guy as he was years ago and that's that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The problem with Shany is this.

Positives:

* Shifts and motions.
* Innovative offense.

Negatives:

* Draft....
* Free Agency....
* Internal extensions (Ex - Aiyuk)....
* Trades (Trey Lance)....
* Ignore offensive line....
* Cap management and dead money....
* Down 8 points. 0 - 51 including playoffs since 2017....
* Routinely chokes in the big games. Against top competition. Can beat the softball teams....
* Always one of the most injured teams at key positions....

The question is do fancy shifts and motions outweigh all of that? I submit to you that they do not. Thus the problem. There is more to running a team and front office than shifts and motions. Shany would be better as an offensive coordinator or a coach with very limited front office say. He's a complete disaster at everything front office related that you need to win. Does he do good shifts and motions? You could make the argument. But does it outweigh the huge negatives that he also brings? I would say no by a long shot.

Just don't think you can ever win with him. He's so bad in the categories you really need to build a winning program. While fooling a lot of fans with the fancy, elaborate shifts and motions. Which are not everything in building a championship football team.

This is a joke list and you know it. Your stats aren't even accurate, least you can do is use google.

How do the 49ers have some of the best rosters in the NFL since Kyle took over if he can't draft, trade or bring in key players in free agency?

Honestly these posts are so ridiculously disingenuous I can't believe you make it with a straight face.

I'm only going to talk on the cap, and what he said is pure bs, wrong, the 49ers under Shanahan & Lynch have never had an issue with the salary cap, not once, they even decided to take on Deebo's dead money in 1yr, not cause they're cap hurt but because they knew they were fine to do it in 1 season.

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The problem with Shany is this.

Positives:

* Shifts and motions.
* Innovative offense.

Negatives:

* Draft....
* Free Agency....
* Internal extensions (Ex - Aiyuk)....
* Trades (Trey Lance)....
* Ignore offensive line....
* Cap management and dead money....
* Down 8 points. 0 - 51 including playoffs since 2017....
* Routinely chokes in the big games. Against top competition. Can beat the softball teams....
* Always one of the most injured teams at key positions....

The question is do fancy shifts and motions outweigh all of that? I submit to you that they do not. Thus the problem. There is more to running a team and front office than shifts and motions. Shany would be better as an offensive coordinator or a coach with very limited front office say. He's a complete disaster at everything front office related that you need to win. Does he do good shifts and motions? You could make the argument. But does it outweigh the huge negatives that he also brings? I would say no by a long shot.

Just don't think you can ever win with him. He's so bad in the categories you really need to build a winning program. While fooling a lot of fans with the fancy, elaborate shifts and motions. Which are not everything in building a championship football team.

This is a joke list and you know it. Your stats aren't even accurate, least you can do is use google.

How do the 49ers have some of the best rosters in the NFL since Kyle took over if he can't draft, trade or bring in key players in free agency?

Honestly these posts are so ridiculously disingenuous I can't believe you make it with a straight face.

I'm only going to talk on the cap, and what he said is pure bs, wrong, the 49ers under Shanahan & Lynch have never had an issue with the salary cap, not once, they even decided to take on Deebo's dead money in 1yr, not cause they're cap hurt but because they knew they were fine to do it in 1 season.

The only thing he said that was accurate was the injury issue and who knows what the deal is with that. Clearly we have teams who practice a lot harder and don't get as injured and teams who practice a lot less and don't get injured as much.

Ironic that apparently Kyle Shanahan has 9 playoff wins in 9 seasons with the 49ers while not being able to draft, handle free agency and salary cap or trade for anyone good while not being able to win any meaningful games.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by AB81Rules:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
The problem with Shany is this.

Positives:

* Shifts and motions.
* Innovative offense.

Negatives:

* Draft....
* Free Agency....
* Internal extensions (Ex - Aiyuk)....
* Trades (Trey Lance)....
* Ignore offensive line....
* Cap management and dead money....
* Down 8 points. 0 - 51 including playoffs since 2017....
* Routinely chokes in the big games. Against top competition. Can beat the softball teams....
* Always one of the most injured teams at key positions....

The question is do fancy shifts and motions outweigh all of that? I submit to you that they do not. Thus the problem. There is more to running a team and front office than shifts and motions. Shany would be better as an offensive coordinator or a coach with very limited front office say. He's a complete disaster at everything front office related that you need to win. Does he do good shifts and motions? You could make the argument. But does it outweigh the huge negatives that he also brings? I would say no by a long shot.

Just don't think you can ever win with him. He's so bad in the categories you really need to build a winning program. While fooling a lot of fans with the fancy, elaborate shifts and motions. Which are not everything in building a championship football team.

This is a joke list and you know it. Your stats aren't even accurate, least you can do is use google.

How do the 49ers have some of the best rosters in the NFL since Kyle took over if he can't draft, trade or bring in key players in free agency?

Honestly these posts are so ridiculously disingenuous I can't believe you make it with a straight face.

I'm only going to talk on the cap, and what he said is pure bs, wrong, the 49ers under Shanahan & Lynch have never had an issue with the salary cap, not once, they even decided to take on Deebo's dead money in 1yr, not cause they're cap hurt but because they knew they were fine to do it in 1 season.

The only thing he said that was accurate was the injury issue and who knows what the deal is with that. Clearly we have teams who practice a lot harder and don't get as injured and teams who practice a lot less and don't get injured as much.

Ironic that apparently Kyle Shanahan has 9 playoff wins in 9 seasons with the 49ers while not being able to draft, handle free agency and salary cap or trade for anyone good while not being able to win any meaningful games.

9 playoff wins....0 championships Puts him right up there with M.Levy, J.Fox, S.McDermott and D.Reeves.

Originally posted by jcs:
9 playoff wins....0 championships Puts him right up there with M.Levy, J.Fox, S.McDermott and D.Reeves.

I think you missed his point.

He can not draft, sign FA's, re-signs bad players, horrible cap management, can't win important games, etc etc.

They have been to 4 NFCC and 2 SBs in that timeframe, and up to this year have lost to the SB champ each time.

With an absolutely s**tTY roster with only 6 players he inherited being on the first SB roster. He coached that s**t squad that was put together to a SB.

And proceeded to take that absolutely atrocious roster to be a top 5 winning percentage team over the next 4 seasons.

He has to be the greatest coach of all time.