49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Grant Cohn is an ass but he is right in that multiple superbowls have been squandered and there is no one to blame except shanahan and lynch.

the most egregious was the Trey lance trade and draft. You don't draft a project qb when you have a ready to win a championship roster. I have no f**king clue what they were thinking. All that lost capital. The lost prime years for the all pros on this team. Just depressing.

How about you copy into here your opinion at the time as to why the Niners should feature as starting qb. Just a thought, don't forget about the impact at the time of COVID. At the time a wide range of fans were whining because we "didn't take any risks". Well, it was generally accepted that there were two options for us in the draft, Lance and Mac. They took a shot and it didn't work out. Much the same as many other teams trying to pick up a starting qb in the draft. I don't expect Cohn to show any reasoning or common sense. But from your perspective, and you have the benefit of hindsight here, who would you have taken? And by the way, they didn't have a championship roster because they didn't have a championship-level qb. I would have thought that this was obvious to any real fan. They took a shot and it failed. You say you have no f**king clue what they were thinking. Really?

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Grant Cohn is an ass but he is right in that multiple superbowls have been squandered and there is no one to blame except shanahan and lynch.

the most egregious was the Trey lance trade and draft. You don't draft a project qb when you have a ready to win a championship roster. I have no f**king clue what they were thinking. All that lost capital. The lost prime years for the all pros on this team. Just depressing.

How about you copy into here your opinion at the time as to why the Niners should feature as starting qb. Just a thought, don't forget about the impact at the time of COVID. At the time a wide range of fans were whining because we "didn't take any risks". Well, it was generally accepted that there were two options for us in the draft, Lance and Mac. They took a shot and it didn't work out. Much the same as many other teams trying to pick up a starting qb in the draft. I don't expect Cohn to show any reasoning or common sense. But from your perspective, and you have the benefit of hindsight here, who would you have taken? And by the way, they didn't have a championship roster because they didn't have a championship-level qb. I would have thought that this was obvious to any real fan. They took a shot and it failed. You say you have no f**king clue what they were thinking. Really?

Is Sam Darnold a Championship-level QB?

Originally posted by All22:
Is Sam Darnold a Championship-level QB?

He wasn't during his time here and had to take a one year prove it deal with the Vikings to show what he might be capable of. He has said his stint with the 49ers, and the time he spent with Brock, taught him a lot about playing QB, improved his game and has now put him in a position to reap the benefits.

Originally posted by 49ers81:

Originally posted by All22:
Is Sam Darnold a Championship-level QB?

He wasn't during his time here and had to take a one year prove it deal with the Vikings to show what he might be capable of. He has said his stint with the 49ers, and the time he spent with Brock, taught him a lot about playing QB, improved his game and has now put him in a position to reap the benefits.

Maybe he wasn't as good when he came to the Niners but as you said he learned a lot here. Shows you what Kyle can do with a QB. I've read that one of the things that Kyle does with his QBs is explain in detail why he does certain things and the reasoning behind it. He doesn't just say do this or do that.

Originally posted by All22:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Grant Cohn is an ass but he is right in that multiple superbowls have been squandered and there is no one to blame except shanahan and lynch.

the most egregious was the Trey lance trade and draft. You don't draft a project qb when you have a ready to win a championship roster. I have no f**king clue what they were thinking. All that lost capital. The lost prime years for the all pros on this team. Just depressing.

How about you copy into here your opinion at the time as to why the Niners should feature as starting qb. Just a thought, don't forget about the impact at the time of COVID. At the time a wide range of fans were whining because we "didn't take any risks". Well, it was generally accepted that there were two options for us in the draft, Lance and Mac. They took a shot and it didn't work out. Much the same as many other teams trying to pick up a starting qb in the draft. I don't expect Cohn to show any reasoning or common sense. But from your perspective, and you have the benefit of hindsight here, who would you have taken? And by the way, they didn't have a championship roster because they didn't have a championship-level qb. I would have thought that this was obvious to any real fan. They took a shot and it failed. You say you have no f**king clue what they were thinking. Really?

Is Sam Darnold a Championship-level QB?

If you haven't been paying attention teams either win with Chamnpionship level QB and solid teams or with weaker QBs and dominant rosters, especially in the trenches.

Seattle has the dominant trenches/defense going for them and so far Sam has played up to his #3 overall abilities.

And back to the article. Cohn and his crew were ALL about Trey Lance. They bashed Jimmy and talked about replacing him with a talented QB. They pushed for Lance to play ahead of Purdy and scoffed at Sam Darnold. I know because I agreed with them(though I wanted to see a fair competition that offseason going into 2023)

However I can clearly see the 49ers made the right decision and 3-4 years later and Trey is still a backup QB who hasn't shown he was anywhere close to being worth that pick.

You can bash the move in hindsight, there is no argument for it being good in that regard. We missed big time on the player and spent a ton of draft capital to make that move limiting our depth and worse yet we spent extra picks on players we felt would be good fits with Trey who failed to play well for us without him(or with him really)

However majority here not bashing the move were for the swing at the time. And considering what we were seeing from Jimmy they had to take that swing.

Some here bashing Kyle also forget after he tried to go after Stafford, even after moving up to that 3rd overall pick we tried to swing again for Aaron Rodgers.

Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:


I always knew you were a real one

I'm back from my time out and I've learned from this. I'd like to apologize for what I've done and will be holding a press conference soon...

lol they'll probably really believe I gave you one for that.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Plenty of truth as to what was said In that article too Tbh.

Definitely true. Even going back to SB 47, there were so many missed opportunities through the years. Not giving the ball to Gore on that last drive to the 3rd and 15 in SB 54 to not blocking Jones for an extra second in 2023. Not to mention a dropped pick vs the Rams in 2021 up ten.

I do believe Eddie would have fired Kyle after 2021 or 2023. He was a passionate owner obsessed with winning. Would it have been the right decision? Who knows.

Eddie would have canned Kyle after 23'. Losing one is excusable but two...

I think earlier than that. Losing a 10 point lead in the 4th in a SB, following it up with losing a 10 point lead in the 4th in the NFCC ? No way. Eddie would lose his s**t in the locker room after that Rams game and probably fire both Kyle and Lynch on the spot.

I disagree I think Eddie would've appreciated how close we came and understood it was the players fault and signed Kyle to a lifetime contract. Good luck proving me wrong.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Grant Cohn is an ass but he is right in that multiple superbowls have been squandered and there is no one to blame except shanahan and lynch.

the most egregious was the Trey lance trade and draft. You don't draft a project qb when you have a ready to win a championship roster. I have no f**king clue what they were thinking. All that lost capital. The lost prime years for the all pros on this team. Just depressing.

How about you copy into here your opinion at the time as to why the Niners should feature as starting qb. Just a thought, don't forget about the impact at the time of COVID. At the time a wide range of fans were whining because we "didn't take any risks". Well, it was generally accepted that there were two options for us in the draft, Lance and Mac. They took a shot and it didn't work out. Much the same as many other teams trying to pick up a starting qb in the draft. I don't expect Cohn to show any reasoning or common sense. But from your perspective, and you have the benefit of hindsight here, who would you have taken? And by the way, they didn't have a championship roster because they didn't have a championship-level qb. I would have thought that this was obvious to any real fan. They took a shot and it failed. You say you have no f**king clue what they were thinking. Really?

Really. I have no f**king clue what they were thinking. And I said that when they drafted him the guy was a complete project. They had a ready to win now team. It wasn't like he had 4 years starting experience in college. Explain to me the thought process. And worse, you were right it was during Covid. So making that kind of move where you mortgage your future for someone you don't have enough on? Ridiculous.

I would have stood at the pick and taken bpa. Just go back and look at everything I said from the moment they drafted him. With that team they should have brought in a veteran. Or a ready to start rookie. Or stay with jimmy. Anything but lance.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Plenty of truth as to what was said In that article too Tbh.

Definitely true. Even going back to SB 47, there were so many missed opportunities through the years. Not giving the ball to Gore on that last drive to the 3rd and 15 in SB 54 to not blocking Jones for an extra second in 2023. Not to mention a dropped pick vs the Rams in 2021 up ten.

I do believe Eddie would have fired Kyle after 2021 or 2023. He was a passionate owner obsessed with winning. Would it have been the right decision? Who knows.

Eddie would have canned Kyle after 23'. Losing one is excusable but two...

I think earlier than that. Losing a 10 point lead in the 4th in a SB, following it up with losing a 10 point lead in the 4th in the NFCC ? No way. Eddie would lose his s**t in the locker room after that Rams game and probably fire both Kyle and Lynch on the spot.

I disagree I think Eddie would've appreciated how close we came and understood it was the players fault and signed Kyle to a lifetime contract. Good luck proving me wrong.

I don't need to prove you wrong. I'm sure you chuckled while typing that…

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Grant Cohn is an ass but he is right in that multiple superbowls have been squandered and there is no one to blame except shanahan and lynch.

the most egregious was the Trey lance trade and draft. You don't draft a project qb when you have a ready to win a championship roster. I have no f**king clue what they were thinking. All that lost capital. The lost prime years for the all pros on this team. Just depressing.

How about you copy into here your opinion at the time as to why the Niners should feature as starting qb. Just a thought, don't forget about the impact at the time of COVID. At the time a wide range of fans were whining because we "didn't take any risks". Well, it was generally accepted that there were two options for us in the draft, Lance and Mac. They took a shot and it didn't work out. Much the same as many other teams trying to pick up a starting qb in the draft. I don't expect Cohn to show any reasoning or common sense. But from your perspective, and you have the benefit of hindsight here, who would you have taken? And by the way, they didn't have a championship roster because they didn't have a championship-level qb. I would have thought that this was obvious to any real fan. They took a shot and it failed. You say you have no f**king clue what they were thinking. Really?

Really. I have no f**king clue what they were thinking. And I said that when they drafted him the guy was a complete project. They had a ready to win now team. It wasn't like he had 4 years starting experience in college. Explain to me the thought process. And worse, you were right it was during Covid. So making that kind of move where you mortgage your future for someone you don't have enough on? Ridiculous.

I would have stood at the pick and taken bpa. Just go back and look at everything I said from the moment they drafted him. With that team they should have brought in a veteran. Or a ready to start rookie. Anything but lance.

The thought was they were concerned about JG's health. They didn't think they could depend on him and felt they had gone as far as they could with him. The idea was to draft a young athletic QB and develop him. Unfortunatley he got hurt and that slowed his development. JG got injured again in 2022 and Lance wasn't ready to start. It was a bad trade but one they thought was worth a shot since they weren't likely to get a chance to pick that high again. Just their luck that it was a bad year fot QBs. Don't forget that Lance was highly rated by most scouts entering the draft. The entire class was considered good but all but Lawrence failed to live up to the hype. It's not like they took a flyer on a guy nobody heard of.

We all know it didn't work. We can't change the past and I'm sure Kyle would if he could but he's got more important things to worry about.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Grant Cohn is an ass but he is right in that multiple superbowls have been squandered and there is no one to blame except shanahan and lynch.

the most egregious was the Trey lance trade and draft. You don't draft a project qb when you have a ready to win a championship roster. I have no f**king clue what they were thinking. All that lost capital. The lost prime years for the all pros on this team. Just depressing.

How about you copy into here your opinion at the time as to why the Niners should feature as starting qb. Just a thought, don't forget about the impact at the time of COVID. At the time a wide range of fans were whining because we "didn't take any risks". Well, it was generally accepted that there were two options for us in the draft, Lance and Mac. They took a shot and it didn't work out. Much the same as many other teams trying to pick up a starting qb in the draft. I don't expect Cohn to show any reasoning or common sense. But from your perspective, and you have the benefit of hindsight here, who would you have taken? And by the way, they didn't have a championship roster because they didn't have a championship-level qb. I would have thought that this was obvious to any real fan. They took a shot and it failed. You say you have no f**king clue what they were thinking. Really?

Really. I have no f**king clue what they were thinking. And I said that when they drafted him the guy was a complete project. They had a ready to win now team. It wasn't like he had 4 years starting experience in college. Explain to me the thought process. And worse, you were right it was during Covid. So making that kind of move where you mortgage your future for someone you don't have enough on? Ridiculous.

I would have stood at the pick and taken bpa. Just go back and look at everything I said from the moment they drafted him. With that team they should have brought in a veteran. Or a ready to start rookie. Or stay with jimmy. Anything but lance.

It was a knee jerk reaction to McVay beating them to Stafford. Kyle fell asleep. McVay wooed Stafford into joining LA. Kyle and Lynch panicked. They sold the farm to move up in the draft without knowing for sure whether they wanted Fields, Mac, or Trey. Kyle probably wanted Mac (who would have been available if they stood pat), but was convinced into drafting a mobile possibly more versatile QB. So he balked and went with a project QB.

it was a s**t show all around, and both clowns should be kissing Purdy's ass for saving their jobs…

Originally posted by DrEll:
It was a knee jerk reaction to McVay beating them to Stafford. Kyle fell asleep. McVay wooed Stafford into joining LA. Kyle and Lynch panicked. They sold the farm to move up in the draft without knowing for sure whether they wanted Fields, Mac, or Trey. Kyle probably wanted Mac (who would have been available if they stood pat), but was convinced into drafting a mobile possibly more versatile QB. So he balked and went with a project QB.

it was a s**t show all around, and both clowns should be kissing Purdy's ass for saving their jobs…

Not necessarily. The rumor was the Panthers really liked him and were targeting him with their pick (#8 overall). They ended up trading multiple picks for Darnold after we traded up to #3.

Either way, I agree with Jose that the decision to draft Trey Lance specifically was baffling. It's not simply a big swing and a miss to me. It was a strategic/planning failure that pitted the best interest of the team against the chance to develop the player (Lance) and was basically doomed from the start.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Not necessarily. The rumor was the Panthers really liked him and were targeting him with their pick (#8 overall). They ended up trading multiple picks for Darnold after we traded up to #3.

Either way, I agree with Jose that the decision to draft Trey Lance specifically was baffling. It's not simply a big swing and a miss to me. It was a strategic/planning failure that pitted the best interest of the team against the chance to develop the player (Lance) and was basically doomed from the start.

Would you have been OK with Justin Fields?

Every draft expert that I recall had all five QBs in the top 12-15. It was considered a bonanza year. All were destined for greatness. It didn't seem to matter who you picked, they were top level talent.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but it clouds our view of why certain decisions were made. However, it does give us something to rag about when injuries have taken our team out of the playoffs.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:

Originally posted by Sickaa:
Plenty of truth as to what was said In that article too Tbh.

Definitely true. Even going back to SB 47, there were so many missed opportunities through the years. Not giving the ball to Gore on that last drive to the 3rd and 15 in SB 54 to not blocking Jones for an extra second in 2023. Not to mention a dropped pick vs the Rams in 2021 up ten.

I do believe Eddie would have fired Kyle after 2021 or 2023. He was a passionate owner obsessed with winning. Would it have been the right decision? Who knows.

Eddie would have canned Kyle after 23'. Losing one is excusable but two...

I think earlier than that. Losing a 10 point lead in the 4th in a SB, following it up with losing a 10 point lead in the 4th in the NFCC ? No way. Eddie would lose his s**t in the locker room after that Rams game and probably fire both Kyle and Lynch on the spot.

I disagree I think Eddie would've appreciated how close we came and understood it was the players fault and signed Kyle to a lifetime contract. Good luck proving me wrong.

I don't need to prove you wrong. I'm sure you chuckled while typing that…

Great example of why hypothetical scenarios that cannot be proven one way or the other are dumb...

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Not necessarily. The rumor was the Panthers really liked him and were targeting him with their pick (#8 overall). They ended up trading multiple picks for Darnold after we traded up to #3.

Either way, I agree with Jose that the decision to draft Trey Lance specifically was baffling. It's not simply a big swing and a miss to me. It was a strategic/planning failure that pitted the best interest of the team against the chance to develop the player (Lance) and was basically doomed from the start.

Would you have been OK with Justin Fields?

Every draft expert that I recall had all five QBs in the top 12-15. It was considered a bonanza year. All were destined for greatness. It didn't seem to matter who you picked, they were top level talent.

Hindsight is always 20/20, but it clouds our view of why certain decisions were made. However, it does give us something to rag about when injuries have taken our team out of the playoffs.

That's my feeling exactly. I just hate all this these hindsite GMs that know thye could havedone better. Anyone can say that after te fact. Prior to that draft there was an ongoing debate among fans on whether they should stay at 12 or make a deal to move up. It wasn't a cut and dry issue. Then there was adebate on whether to tke Fields or Lance if thye moved up. Even Wilson's name was mentioned by some.

The fact is none of the QBs that were available would have been the guy the Niners needed long term. They had no chance at Lawrence. If they hadn't tried to get one in 2021 they probably would have tried to get one in free agency and paid more for him. The 2022 QB draft was historically bad and they probaly were looking at that when they made the trade. Consider that Brock Purdy ended up being the best by far out of that 2022 class. There's no way the Niners could have known that in 2021 when they picked Lance.