49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Shanahan has two daddies in the nfc west

Kyle Shanahan is 11-7 vs Sean McVay
Kyle Shanahan is 2-3 vs Mike MacDonald

Not exactly "daddy" territory imo.

Originally posted by genus49:
Are you serious right now?

Took over a 9-8 team with some of his best players today on it already - JSN, Walker/Charbonnet, both starting OTs, Leonard Williams, Devon Witherspoon, Mafe/Hall/Nwosu, Jaran Reed, Coby Bryant, Julian Love, Woolen, Okada.

Also had Geno Smith and DK Metcalf who they were able to trade for good value picks. Lucked into getting Byron Murphy falling to them after the first half of that first round went offense. Got lucky in Ernest Jones being available for peanuts.

The team Shanahan and Lynch took over was dog sh*t. Armstead, Buckner, Jimmie Ward and Joe Staley(who was done after 2019) were really the only guys worth anything from that 2016 roster. Only guys even on the 2019 SB team were Tartt, Celek(who didn't even play most of the year), Ronnie Blair(who was injured for the SB) and Mostert who was nothing but a special teamer in 2016.

Are you trolling or simply hoping nobody checks your ridiculous take?

True. Seattle's resurgence is similar to Harbaugh taking over a pretty good 2010 49er squad with the likes of Staley, Willis, Bowman, etc. Signs Justin Smith, drafts Aldon Smith, revives Alex Smith.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Shanahan has two daddies in the nfc west

Kyle Shanahan is 11-7 vs Sean McVay
Kyle Shanahan is 2-3 vs Mike MacDonald

Not exactly "daddy" territory imo.

Sorry man, after the offensive track meet that was the Chicago game, Kyle's offense goes and puts up 1 field goals in one home game for the nfc title, and 2 field goals in the playoffs 2 weeks later. Should I bring up the ravens game?

yeah, MacDonald is shanny's daddy. It's the beginning of Carroll owing harbaugh part 2

Originally posted by Jikkle49:

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by Heroism:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
The quality of the discussion on this forum is dogcrap. It's always the same old people parroting the same banal crap about firing everyone, cutting everyone, without providing coherent arguments justifying why we should do something as asinine as firing Kyle, for example.

And everyone gets bogged down arguing with these trolls leaving no room for more nuanced discussion.

Just throwing in my 2 cents, not like anyone cares because I'm not a loud and attention seeking user in here.

I wish the WZ had a upvote/downvote feature. It's kind of crazy they're still using a forum layout from almost 30 years ago lol.

I agree firing Kyle is stupid... Lynch on the other hand is a different story. The Niners need a real GM bc whatever drafting process they have is not working. You can't rely on drafts pre 2021, trades you made years ago, and lucking into Purdy forever.

Yes, Lynch is a major problem. We do need a good General Manager which is not Lynch to say. His track record is awful. It's time to move on.

It's not a defense of Lynch but let's not pretend that Kyle's fingerprints aren't all over the draft. So getting rid of Lynch isn't going to solve anything unless they bring in a GM that has more sway in the decision-making than what currently Lynch does.

Yes...this is a real issue with the team IMO.

Kyle has not been great as a talent evaluator and I don't think John has the impact we need at the GM position. It's a balancing act since you don't want a Harbaguh/Baalke situation and you want your HC and GM to be in lockstep and work together as partners but that to me is the biggest drawback under Kyle. I think it's why we tend to have more success in the back of the draft where Kyle allows the scouts and position coaches to call the shots more vs early picks where he's more likely to make the calls.

This offseason is VERY important. As good as this season was given the expectations and injuries we cannot assume we just improve and get over the hump next year.

Getting Nick, Mykel and Fred back will go a long way for sure but we've got a big hole at both safety spots IMO and I'm not sure we still have our answer next to Fred at LB and definitely need more pass rush help/depth.

On offense who knows when George will be back and WR is a mess right now. We need speed and we need OL that won't get pushed around. We can't afford to miss picks and definitely not early. I hope we go with BPA approach and don't reach for system fits until day 3.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Shanahan has two daddies in the nfc west

Kyle Shanahan is 11-7 vs Sean McVay
Kyle Shanahan is 2-3 vs Mike MacDonald

Not exactly "daddy" territory imo.

And what's hit record against them IN THE PLAYOFFS

this board. Seriously.

Hey guys let's fire the 46 year old Head Coach who would be hired within minutes and who has taken the team to 4 NFC Championships and 2 Super Bowls. Also just took a team that everyone thought before the season was a rebuild year to 12 wins and a playoff win. But bc he got his ass handed to him in a playoff game with his starting LG, WR 1, TE 1, DE1, DE1, DT1, LB 1, 3, 4, 5, he has to go. Also whose QB and WR2 missed half the season.

Because the Yorks have such a great track record of hiring coaches. Erickson, Nolan, Singletary, Kelly, and Tomsula were great Head Coaches. The last time they fired a successful HC in Harbaugh it worked out great.

Yeah the not winning a Super Bowl sucks ass. If Kyle needs to lose anything it's his personal decision making privileges. Focus on coaching and get a real GM. He definitely deserves criticism but firing him at this point is just stupid.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Shanahan has two daddies in the nfc west

Kyle Shanahan is 11-7 vs Sean McVay
Kyle Shanahan is 2-3 vs Mike MacDonald

Not exactly "daddy" territory imo.

And what's hit record against them IN THE PLAYOFFS

this board. Seriously.

You're welcome to stay off of it...

Playoffs are not any different. You can't call someone "daddy" unless they consistently dominate that HC. While I'm sure Seattle probably wins last week's game even if we're at full health with the guys who would've been around I don't think that's the case week 18 which swings a LOT with us getting the bye week to rest and play at home.

The fact is the two playoff games in question the 49ers were on the road and playing with a much more banged up team. And against McVay there is no doubt in my mind Shanahan was the better HC that day despite the outcome of the game. MacDonald's team took it to us so there's no real excusing that performance but the fact remains that MacDonald's wins have come when the 49ers were missing impact players. Hell just with Nick Bosa Shanahan is 2-0 vs MacDonald.

But that's right you guys don't like to hear that...that's just excuses.

Originally posted by genus49:
Yes...this is a real issue with the team IMO.

Kyle has not been great as a talent evaluator and I don't think John has the impact we need at the GM position. It's a balancing act since you don't want a Harbaguh/Baalke situation and you want your HC and GM to be in lockstep and work together as partners but that to me is the biggest drawback under Kyle. I think it's why we tend to have more success in the back of the draft where Kyle allows the scouts and position coaches to call the shots more vs early picks where he's more likely to make the calls.

This offseason is VERY important. As good as this season was given the expectations and injuries we cannot assume we just improve and get over the hump next year.

Getting Nick, Mykel and Fred back will go a long way for sure but we've got a big hole at both safety spots IMO and I'm not sure we still have our answer next to Fred at LB and definitely need more pass rush help/depth.

On offense who knows when George will be back and WR is a mess right now. We need speed and we need OL that won't get pushed around. We can't afford to miss picks and definitely not early. I hope we go with BPA approach and don't reach for system fits until day 3.

Lynch is Kyle's minder. This leads to a buddy buddy cozy up relationship in the front office that reduces accountability and degrades our FO performance. For example, no one was explicitely fired for the Trey lance disaster.

That's the purgatory we are in.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
Shanahan has two daddies in the nfc west

Kyle Shanahan is 11-7 vs Sean McVay
Kyle Shanahan is 2-3 vs Mike MacDonald

Not exactly "daddy" territory imo.

And what's hit record against them IN THE PLAYOFFS

this board. Seriously.

You're welcome to stay off of it...

Playoffs are not any different. You can't call someone "daddy" unless they consistently dominate that HC. While I'm sure Seattle probably wins last week's game even if we're at full health with the guys who would've been around I don't think that's the case week 18 which swings a LOT with us getting the bye week to rest and play at home.

The fact is the two playoff games in question the 49ers were on the road and playing with a much more banged up team. And against McVay there is no doubt in my mind Shanahan was the better HC that day despite the outcome of the game. MacDonald's team took it to us so there's no real excusing that performance but the fact remains that MacDonald's wins have come when the 49ers were missing impact players. Hell just with Nick Bosa Shanahan is 2-0 vs MacDonald.

But that's right you guys don't like to hear that...that's just excuses.

Always the excuses. Why are we always banged up? Why are we on the road in the first place? We had a chance to be at home this year against Seattle. Nope. Shanny scored a whopping 3 points.

and the shanny haters can stay off just so you guys can be alone and talk about how great of a coach he is amongst yourselves without challenge. Sounds great.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Always the excuses. Why are we always banged up? Why are we on the road in the first place? We had a chance to be at home this year against Seattle. Nope. Shanny scored a whopping 3 points.

and the shanny haters can stay off just so you guys can be alone and talk about how great of a coach he is amongst yourselves without challenge. Sounds great.

Should stay off because the majority of this board doesn't want to read overly emotional whining incessantly.

What's really sad is if the day comes that Kyle is fired unfortunately the track record will be some Jim Tomsula or Dennis Erickson will be the hire. You guys will rejoice though because anyone but Shanny will do.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Always the excuses. Why are we always banged up? Why are we on the road in the first place? We had a chance to be at home this year against Seattle. Nope. Shanny scored a whopping 3 points.

and the shanny haters can stay off just so you guys can be alone and talk about how great of a coach he is amongst yourselves without challenge. Sounds great.

Should stay off because the majority of this board doesn't want to read overly emotional whining incessantly.

What's really sad is if the day comes that Kyle is fired unfortunately the track record will be some Jim Tomsula or Dennis Erickson will be the hire. You guys will rejoice though because anyone but Shanny will do.

Exactly they will likely turn back into bottom dwellers. Which head coaching candidate would we have hired this year? Don't say Saleh bc if they fired Kyle they weren't going to hire his DC. The top candidates were Stefanski and Harbaugh. Really think they are better than Kyle at this point

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Always the excuses. Why are we always banged up? Why are we on the road in the first place? We had a chance to be at home this year against Seattle. Nope. Shanny scored a whopping 3 points.

and the shanny haters can stay off just so you guys can be alone and talk about how great of a coach he is amongst yourselves without challenge. Sounds great.

Should stay off because the majority of this board doesn't want to read overly emotional whining incessantly.

What's really sad is if the day comes that Kyle is fired unfortunately the track record will be some Jim Tomsula or Dennis Erickson will be the hire. You guys will rejoice though because anyone but Shanny will do.

Exactly they will likely turn back into bottom dwellers. Which head coaching candidate would we have hired this year? Don't say Saleh bc if they fired Kyle they weren't going to hire his DC. The top candidates were Stefanski and Harbaugh. Really think they are better than Kyle at this point

tomlin?

Originally posted by brodiebluebanaszak:

Originally posted by Brucey72:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Always the excuses. Why are we always banged up? Why are we on the road in the first place? We had a chance to be at home this year against Seattle. Nope. Shanny scored a whopping 3 points.

and the shanny haters can stay off just so you guys can be alone and talk about how great of a coach he is amongst yourselves without challenge. Sounds great.

Should stay off because the majority of this board doesn't want to read overly emotional whining incessantly.

What's really sad is if the day comes that Kyle is fired unfortunately the track record will be some Jim Tomsula or Dennis Erickson will be the hire. You guys will rejoice though because anyone but Shanny will do.

Exactly they will likely turn back into bottom dwellers. Which head coaching candidate would we have hired this year? Don't say Saleh bc if they fired Kyle they weren't going to hire his DC. The top candidates were Stefanski and Harbaugh. Really think they are better than Kyle at this point

tomlin?

Tomlin hasn't won a playoff game since 2016, is 8-12 in the playoffs, hasn't won a Super Bowl in almost 20 years and would cost draft picks.... Kyle won a playoff game 2 weeks ago and is 9-5 in the playoffs

Originally posted by Brucey72:
Exactly they will likely turn back into bottom dwellers. Which head coaching candidate would we have hired this year? Don't say Saleh bc if they fired Kyle they weren't going to hire his DC. The top candidates were Stefanski and Harbaugh. Really think they are better than Kyle at this point

There are always a pile of good coaches available each year.

John Harbaugh
Grant Udinsk
Joe Brady
Jessie Minter
Jeff Hafley
Phillip Rivers

It's been 10 years. We have lost two Super Bowls and our personnel decisions have been beyond bad. Sometimes you just need a change of scenery.

Kyle Shanahan is a good coach, but one wonders how much time he has left in the bay area. He has been in the area for 10 plus years now and there is more pressure for him to build another winner, perhaps at the expense of the future, than if someone new was in the position. For those saying it's Shanahan or Tomsula-level coaching, that's hogwash, just look at Seattle to see an example of how things can go when you move on from a good coach. What to do?

If I'm being honest, the 49ers window was a few years ago and they lost their big games unfortunately. Their window was with Deebo, Aiyuk, Kittle, and CMC all in the primes and they blew it. Now those guys are older and because of bad trades they don't have any young talent coming up that can match what the Rams and Seahawks have. It's time to rebuild. On both sides of the ball they need to get younger, faster, and more explosive. Now the question is will they do this? Or will they trade future capital to bring in more band aids?

People are suggesting the team needs to rebuild their offensive line, and they are not wrong, but I think the immediate priority is to find more explosion on offense at the skill positions. CMC is still good as a pass catching RB but has lost that burst to be an efficient runner. Kittle will be out half of next season and Tonges is more of a complimentary piece I would say. WR is a dog's breakfast and needs new life in a big way. Yeah we need help on the line but they may need to continue patching it up while they find the playmakers. They need guys who can threaten Seattle's defense.