49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Has nothing to do with Mahomes. The smart move from a coaching perspective is to kick. Mahomes has nothing to do with the equation. There's a reason Kyle is the only coach who's been questioned in this scenario, it's because he's the only one who received and that is the wrong coaching decision

You know you have the ability to actually research the things you say correct? It is flat out incorrect that Kyle is the only coach who's chosen to receive in the current OT format.

Through the 17 games under this format, 30 percent plus of the decisions were to receive. The receiving team has won 53 percent of those games, and analytical modeling suggests it's a 50/50 decision in the playoffs (where a tie can't happen) and a larger than 50 percent advantage for the receiving team in a 10 minute OT where a tie can happen.

The modeling doesn't support your position, neither do the results. Kyle isn't the only coach to have chosen to receive, and the other coaches who chose to kick (especially in the regular season) chose the suboptimal option statistically.

Do some research and see for yourself.

Regular season is different. There's a 10 minute cap

If you dont understand how win/loss data doesn't mean anything when it comes to this argument, then there's really no helping you. Correlation ≠ causation

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Let me ask a question. Why were the 49ers 12-5 this year and 6-11 last year? Was Kyle all of a sudden a better coach this year? Did he wake up and say I'm going to be better coach this year? No. He's the same coach.

the reasons why the record this year was better?

a 3rd place schedule vs a 1st place schedule.
a better backup qb.
saleh vs Sorensen
cmc healthy all year

those are the reasons. Kyle didn't just all of a sudden coach his ass off. If anything, he gets credit for bringing saleh back, but knowing he was only going to be here for a year actually hurt more.

You don't understand how going from the 29th scoring defense to the 13th scoring defense despite the injuries we had there impacts wins and losses?

Is this a serious question? They retooled their defense for a reason. And yes we all understood Sorensen hire was a mistake and getting Saleh back was a big step in the right direction.

Yet it didn't stop people from claiming this was a rebuild season and the 49ers wouldn't compete regardless of the schedule. Now suddenly it's the schedule and Kyle didn't do any better job of coaching.

Does the same apply for Andy Reid? He's the same coach right? So what happened this season?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Regular season is different. There's a 10 minute cap

If you dont understand how win/loss data doesn't mean anything when it comes to this argument, then there's really no helping you. Correlation ≠ causation

You saw where I differentiated between the two scenarios in my post, yea? These analytical models do as well.

And you're an absolute fool if you think results don't mean anything in the argument. It's just a small data set. Correlation = / = causation, lol. That works both ways. The entire point of the rule set is to give both teams a possession and even the playing field in OT. You guys just aren't capable of thinking your way through it, or doing any research to help yourself understand.

Originally posted by genus49:
You don't understand how going from the 29th scoring defense to the 13th scoring defense despite the injuries we had there impacts wins and losses?

Is this a serious question? They retooled their defense for a reason. And yes we all understood Sorensen hire was a mistake and getting Saleh back was a big step in the right direction.

Yet it didn't stop people from claiming this was a rebuild season and the 49ers wouldn't compete regardless of the schedule. Now suddenly it's the schedule and Kyle didn't do any better job of coaching.

Does the same apply for Andy Reid? He's the same coach right? So what happened this season?

Andy avg 12pts and went 0-4 when Mahomes went down. His play calling was nothing special. He didn't lift up that team even though they were still hanging on for a playoff spot.

When Stafford missed significant time back in 2022 McVay went 5-12.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Regular season is different. There's a 10 minute cap

If you dont understand how win/loss data doesn't mean anything when it comes to this argument, then there's really no helping you. Correlation ≠ causation

You saw where I differentiated between the two scenarios in my post, yea? These analytical models do as well.

And you're an absolute fool if you think results don't mean anything in the argument. It's just a small data set. Correlation = / = causation, lol. That works both ways. The entire point of the rule set is to give both teams a possession and even the playing field in OT. You guys just aren't capable of thinking your way through it, or doing any research to help yourself understand.

The win loss data means nothing. Based on the scenarios that can pop up, you kick the ball. Does it mean you automatically win? No

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Fumbles, injuries and the way the ball bounces have nothing to do with being unprepared. s**t happens in the moment at full speed

There's no excuse for Kyle. He had already been in OT in the sb before and he completely overlooked it. It's a classic Kyle loss

It has everything to do with a win or a loss in a OT game…Forgot to add missed extra pt as well.

Let's stop being arrogant and stupid about it for once. It only makes your debate less believable.

Never said it doesn't matter, just said it has nothing to do with being unprepared. You seem to have a problem with reading

Kyle and his team were unprepared for the biggest moment. Something he's seen before and he still overlooked it. Terrible coaching brother

Preparing your team for a scenario that you may not see is not critical. There is no difference in what their job is in OT. Score as many points as you can on offense and stop the other team on defense.

You all b***hing about the OT stuff are making up things to complain about. It's not going to change what happened. Like I said, there are real issues that are current and important heading into the offseason as we look to catch up with Seattle and the Rams and you all are stuck in the past to the point where you have to be completely irrational about those conversations on top of it.

Forget about on field Kyle, is anyone going to argue against the horrible decision if Kyle bypasses all the available candidates and hands over the DC job to Gus Bradley ? Gus Bradley whose defenses have consistently ranked 20 or worse this decade and bottom half after he left Seattle ?

this might be the kill shot for Kyle as a Niner if he decides to go this route…

Originally posted by DrEll:
Forget about on field Kyle, is anyone going to argue against the horrible decision if Kyle bypasses all the available candidates and hands over the DC job to Gus Bradley ? Gus Bradley whose defenses have consistently ranked 20 or worse this decade and bottom half after he left Seattle ?

this might be the kill shot for Kyle as a Niner if he decides to go this route…

Bradley was brought in specifically to take over if and when Saleh left. Bradley is gonna be the guy.

Originally posted by genus49:

Preparing your team for a scenario that you may not see is not critical. There is no difference in what their job is in OT. Score as many points as you can on offense and stop the other team on defense.

You all b***hing about the OT stuff are making up things to complain about. It's not going to change what happened. Like I said, there are real issues that are current and important heading into the offseason as we look to catch up with Seattle and the Rams and you all are stuck in the past to the point where you have to be completely irrational about those conversations on top of it.

I've already accepted it for what it is man. It's the guys who can't that keep this topic alive

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
The win loss data means nothing. Based on the scenarios that can pop up, you kick the ball. Does it mean you automatically win? No

Again, your thought is not supported by statistical modeling or results. It's not about 'automatically winning', it's about giving yourself the best probability to win. This is a 50/50 decision. The fact that it's 50/50 is supported by analytics and results. This was the entire point of implementing this set of rules in the first place. To even the f**king playing field lol.

And DrEll's claim that you are parroting… that no other coach has chosen to receive…is incorrect.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

The win loss data means nothing. Based on the scenarios that can pop up, you kick the ball. Does it mean you automatically win? No

Again, your thought is not supported by statistical modeling or results. It's not about 'automatically winning', it's about giving yourself the best probability to win. This is a 50/50 decision. The fact that it's 50/50 is supported by analytics and results. This was the entire point of implementing this set of rules in the first place. To even the f**king playing field lol.

And DrEll's claim that you are parroting… that no other coach has chosen to receive…is incorrect.

Has any coach chose to receive in the playoffs? This 50/50 is based on win/loss and not analytics of playoff OT. When you analyze the situation, the team that gets the ball second has a strategic advantage. The two teams this weekend lost that advantage by turning the ball over. That doesn't mean that they didn't have a strategic advantage

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Again, your thought is not supported by statistical modeling or results. It's not about 'automatically winning', it's about giving yourself the best probability to win. This is a 50/50 decision. The fact that it's 50/50 is supported by analytics and results. This was the entire point of implementing this set of rules in the first place. To even the f**king playing field lol.

And DrEll's claim that you are parroting… that no other coach has chosen to receive…is incorrect.

"Kyle Made The Wrong Move"

"The data actually shows its a 50/50 proposition"

"The Data Doesn't Actually Matter"

Originally posted by DrEll:
Forget about on field Kyle, is anyone going to argue against the horrible decision if Kyle bypasses all the available candidates and hands over the DC job to Gus Bradley ? Gus Bradley whose defenses have consistently ranked 20 or worse this decade and bottom half after he left Seattle ?

this might be the kill shot for Kyle as a Niner if he decides to go this route…

It would be disappointing.

Reality is you will trash whoever he hires though as you want losses to happen so he gets fired.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Again, your thought is not supported by statistical modeling or results. It's not about 'automatically winning', it's about giving yourself the best probability to win. This is a 50/50 decision. The fact that it's 50/50 is supported by analytics and results. This was the entire point of implementing this set of rules in the first place. To even the f**king playing field lol.

And DrEll's claim that you are parroting… that no other coach has chosen to receive…is incorrect.

"Kyle Made The Wrong Move"

"The data actually shows its a 50/50 proposition"

"The Data Doesn't Actually Matter"

We literally lost because one of the scenarios popped up. We had to kick a FG without knowing what KC was going to do. We put ourselves in that situation by receiving. It literally affected our game and you guys are celebrating because it didn't affect others

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by genus49:
You don't understand how going from the 29th scoring defense to the 13th scoring defense despite the injuries we had there impacts wins and losses?

Is this a serious question? They retooled their defense for a reason. And yes we all understood Sorensen hire was a mistake and getting Saleh back was a big step in the right direction.

Yet it didn't stop people from claiming this was a rebuild season and the 49ers wouldn't compete regardless of the schedule. Now suddenly it's the schedule and Kyle didn't do any better job of coaching.

Does the same apply for Andy Reid? He's the same coach right? So what happened this season?

Andy avg 12pts and went 0-4 when Mahomes went down. His play calling was nothing special. He didn't lift up that team even though they were still hanging on for a playoff spot.

When Stafford missed significant time back in 2022 McVay went 5-12.

Reid didn't have a good backup QB. Minshew isn't vwery good and then he got hurt. They wer eon their 3rd string QB by ther end of the season. Mahomes isn't easy to replace because of the unusual aspects of hus game. Not many can make plays out of nothing like he does.

When Purdy got injured the Niners had an experienced backup that was a similar type of QB. Not as good and not as agile but similar arm strength and ability to read defenses. We didn't see a drastic dropoff.