49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
He has had 10 years now, bill Walsh was fired after 10 years with 3 titles, at some point you gotta say it ain't working, as much as I love kyle

Bill Walsh resigned, not that it has anything to do with Kyle Shanahan.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
He has had 10 years now, bill Walsh was fired after 10 years with 3 titles, at some point you gotta say it ain't working, as much as I love kyle

Bill Walsh resigned, not that it has anything to do with Kyle Shanahan.

Idk man I see this year as a big year for Kyle, someone getting fired if we don't make the title game atleast in my opinion, John lynch probably gets it for sure before Kyle but Kyle on the hot seat too, I expect us to have a big free agency and may move up in draft

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Idk man I see this year as a big year for Kyle, someone getting fired if we don't make the title game atleast in my opinion, John lynch probably gets it for sure before Kyle but Kyle on the hot seat too, I expect us to have a big free agency and may move up in draft

Shanahan will never get fired as long as he keeps making the playoffs 2 out of 3 years. Sadly.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49erF90:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by 49erF90:
Fire Shanahan and replace him with who? In the revolving world of these recycling head coaches, I don't find anyone who is at least interesting.

Lol I love it every time this pops up...

Just sign shanahan to a lifetime contract at this point because nobody could ever replace him or come close.

With all due respect, I will appreciate it if anyone can just skip the platitude and just come up with an answer to who's coach is considered a viable replacement for Shanahan.

Agree.

1. We have a coach that won 13 games, missing almost half of his opening day roster.

2. Defense gives up points like crazy but teams still want to interview Saleh, coming off his Jets tenure. Steve Spagnuolo during the Chiefs dynasty couldn't even get an interview.

3. Our non playcalling OC gets interview requests.

4. Teams keep signing our free agents (see Denver and the Colts).

5. Teams keep poaching the front office.

6. 9 - 5 playoff record.

So the league respects our front office, coaching staff, and players. But yeah- fire Shanahan.

+ 1. These arrogant fans that think they know more than a majority of highly paid NFL executives make me laugh. And 9-5 in the playoffs is outstanding.

We all want to win it all every year. But it's beyond unrealistic to just expect it because of what happened in the 80s. He's a GREAT coach. No matter what anyone says, he gives us as good a chance anyone we can realistically get to win going forward.

But it just doesn't matter to a % of this board that feels superior for only accepting titles. Because they feel entitled to something that we KNOW requires great luck to achieve.

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
Think this his last year if we don't make it to the nfc championship game atleast

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by niner4life21:
I'm gonna say this again.

It seems like Rams and Bills both won after taking the ball first in overtime this weekend. How come people are using that against Shanahan?

Note I am not defending Shanahan's decision to receive the ball in the SB overtime, just confused why the Rams and Bills victories would somehow prove he was wrong.

Broncos received the ball in that game and won.

Funny enough I missed the Rams/Bears game in my previous post. Including it, receiving teams would be 9-6-1 in this OT format this season (reg season and playoffs)

3 of the 16 games went to a 3rd possession. Receiving teams won all of them.

Sample size too small. Come back after 500 games and see where it stands.

Having flexibility because you deferred is a minor advantage maybe a couple percent.

The reason people are annoyed is because there is an expectation that the head coach would take every advantage he can and even some that are questionable (ie deflategate).

People are annoyed because shanahan keeps doing these little things that add up to losses... Poor time management, wrong personnel, can't find a way to incorporate rookies, missed challenges, putting everything on CMC.

You have all that, then add in the poor drafting and you see where the team stands now vs the Seahawks and rams.

It's one thing If you think your getting the best players and product on the field, and the simple coaching things on the sidelines aren't missed, and lose. It's another when the coach routinely makes the same mistakes.

The Seahawks game could have been competitive but we had to get cute on the first drive on 3rd and 4th and one and give them a two score lead. Then tonges makes a mistake and the games over in the first 5 minutes.

You get some bad luck on the kickoff, then a terrible coaching mistake, then an injury issue and now the games over.

Shanahan is in trouble next year...Kittle is aging and injured, CMC is not the same, who is to say what the WR core will look like next year. Pearsall is not dependable to be healthy and he is not a #1. Most importantly Saleh is gone. Shanahan needs a good DC to succeed. The schedule is also not as favorable as this year as well.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Sample size too small. Come back after 500 games and see where it stands.

Having flexibility because you deferred is a minor advantage maybe a couple percent.

The reason people are annoyed is because there is an expectation that the head coach would take every advantage he can and even some that are questionable (ie deflategate).

People are annoyed because shanahan keeps doing these little things that add up to losses... Poor time management, wrong personnel, can't find a way to incorporate rookies, missed challenges, putting everything on CMC.

You have all that, then add in the poor drafting and you see where the team stands now vs the Seahawks and rams.

It's one thing If you think your getting the best players and product on the field, and the simple coaching things on the sidelines aren't missed, and lose. It's another when the coach routinely makes the same mistakes.

The Seahawks game could have been competitive but we had to get cute on the first drive on 3rd and 4th and one and give them a two score lead. Then tonges makes a mistake and the games over in the first 5 minutes.

You get some bad luck on the kickoff, then a terrible coaching mistake, then an injury issue and now the games over.

Yea, I'm going to pass on waiting 30+ years to hit a 'sample' of 500 OT games, lol. The 9-6-1 record for the receiving team accounts for every game ever played under this set of rules, except for our Super Bowl loss. So 9-7-1 total. You can compare those results to the analytical modeling that indicates the decision is 50/50.

I think that's more reliable information to form an opinion than what effectively boils down to a feeling that you want your team's hand forced on 4th down. Nothing is stopping an aggressive 4th down approach on the initial drive, when it's the same or lower risk.

our SB was a defensive battle, and the teams traded field goals to end the 4th.

I think Shanahan had reasonable basis to trust the defense. It didn't end up as planned.

people saying "there was never going to be a 3rd possession because Reid would've gone for the win". OK, and what if Reid fails on a 4th down and we got the ball? That would've been a 3rd possession.

Chiefs were holding the f**k out of our pass rushers on the last couple drives. Jet McKinnon literally spear tackled Warner.

That game will forever haunt me.

Originally posted by niner4life21:
our SB was a defensive battle, and the teams traded field goals to end the 4th.

I think Shanahan had reasonable basis to trust the defense. It didn't end up as planned.

people saying "there was never going to be a 3rd possession because Reid would've gone for the win". OK, and what if Reid fails on a 4th down and we got the ball? That would've been a 3rd possession.

Chiefs were holding the f**k out of our pass rushers on the last couple drives. Jet McKinnon literally spear tackled Warner.

That game will forever haunt me.

Aiyuk wide open while the OL gives Chris Jones a free pass.....

Originally posted by JaggedJ:
Aiyuk wide open while the OL gives Chris Jones a free pass.....

I've never seen this team win a SB. I think the hope is no longer there like it used to be. That SB is a primary reason for that. I just don't see them ever being able to do it. There's always something that gets in the way.

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by PRIMETIME21:
He has had 10 years now, bill Walsh was fired after 10 years with 3 titles, at some point you gotta say it ain't working, as much as I love kyle

Bill Walsh resigned, not that it has anything to do with Kyle Shanahan.

Idk man I see this year as a big year for Kyle, someone getting fired if we don't make the title game atleast in my opinion, John lynch probably gets it for sure before Kyle but Kyle on the hot seat too, I expect us to have a big free agency and may move up in draft

We did a roster reset this year won 13 games and knocked off the Super Bowl champs. Our front office personnel and coaches are being raided by clubs trying to emulate us. What are you thinking? Jed ain't trying to go back to the Erickson Nolan Singletary Tomsula and Kelly days

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Yea, I'm going to pass on waiting 30+ years to hit a 'sample' of 500 OT games, lol. The 9-6-1 record for the receiving team accounts for every game ever played under this set of rules, except for our Super Bowl loss. So 9-7-1 total. You can compare those results to the analytical modeling that indicates the decision is 50/50.

I think that's more reliable information to form an opinion than what effectively boils down to a feeling that you want your team's hand forced on 4th down. Nothing is stopping an aggressive 4th down approach on the initial drive, when it's the same or lower risk.

It was the wrong decision. None of this win/loss data changes that. A tennis player doesn't automatically win because he gets the advantage, and football teams don't automatically win when they get the advantage of receiving second in OT. The Bears and Bills lost because they turned the ball over, not because of the Rams/Broncos getting the ball first

We lost kicking a FG on our first possession. We are the example of why you never receive in playoff OT

Originally posted by ComeOnDeberg:
Shanahan is in trouble next year...Kittle is aging and injured, CMC is not the same, who is to say what the WR core will look like next year. Pearsall is not dependable to be healthy and he is not a #1. Most importantly Saleh is gone. Shanahan needs a good DC to succeed. The schedule is also not as favorable as this year as well.

He better find himself the next Raheem Mostert / Christian McCaffrey. Without a cheat code, his offenses tend to fall apart. CMC is not going to hold up next year.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Yea, I'm going to pass on waiting 30+ years to hit a 'sample' of 500 OT games, lol. The 9-6-1 record for the receiving team accounts for every game ever played under this set of rules, except for our Super Bowl loss. So 9-7-1 total. You can compare those results to the analytical modeling that indicates the decision is 50/50.

I think that's more reliable information to form an opinion than what effectively boils down to a feeling that you want your team's hand forced on 4th down. Nothing is stopping an aggressive 4th down approach on the initial drive, when it's the same or lower risk.

It was the wrong decision. None of this win/loss data changes that. A tennis player doesn't automatically win because he gets the advantage, and football teams don't automatically win when they get the advantage of receiving second in OT. The Bears and Bills lost because they turned the ball over, not because of the Rams/Broncos getting the ball first

We lost kicking a FG on our first possession. We are the example of why you never receive in playoff OT

Again, records aside, who ELSE has done it. Smokey out here throwing analytics and records trying to spin it so it seems Kyle made the right decision yet no other team that has won the toss in OT has decided to take the ball first except if Kyle. There is no mythical third possession that you play for lol.