49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

So, you people who are sold on shanny and always say, well, who would we get who's better?
how did the Seahawks fire Carrol, and found a young guy who's gonna have them in the Super Bowl in his second year with the team? Is their front office that much better than ours? Are you guys saying you have zero confidence in our FO doing the same? So that's why you want to go into year 11, 12, and maybe 13 with a coach who's already proven that he can't win a Super Bowl with the best roster in the NFL?

I think they should have fired him after he screwed up the last Super Bowl, but we all knew the Yorks wouldn't. And they won't fire him now. IMO, he's gonna be here at least another 8 years. But if the Yorks really wanted to win like the hawks and the rams, they would move on from him and lynch and start over. I just want to know the opinions of those who love Kyle and how they think the hawks found carolls replacement so quick. I guess they got lucky?

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
So, you people who are sold on shanny and always say, well, who would we get who's better?
how did the Seahawks fire Carrol, and found a young guy who's gonna have them in the Super Bowl in his second year with the team? Is their front office that much better than ours? Are you guys saying you have zero confidence in our FO doing the same? So that's why you want to go into year 11, 12, and maybe 13 with a coach who's already proven that he can't win a Super Bowl with the best roster in the NFL?

I think it's a big advantage for them.

Our coaching covers up for managerial shortcomings IMO.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
So, you people who are sold on shanny and always say, well, who would we get who's better?
how did the Seahawks fire Carrol, and found a young guy who's gonna have them in the Super Bowl in his second year with the team? Is their front office that much better than ours? Are you guys saying you have zero confidence in our FO doing the same? So that's why you want to go into year 11, 12, and maybe 13 with a coach who's already proven that he can't win a Super Bowl with the best roster in the NFL?

I think they should have fired him after he screwed up the last Super Bowl, but we all knew the Yorks wouldn't. And they won't fire him now. IMO, he's gonna be here at least another 8 years. But if the Yorks really wanted to win like the hawks and the rams, they would move on from him and lynch and start over. I just want to know the opinions of those who love Kyle and how they think the hawks found carolls replacement so quick. I guess they got lucky?

Yeah we could also be like the Titans and fire our coach who everyone in the football world says is a good coach and watch that coach look great with another team.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
So, you people who are sold on shanny and always say, well, who would we get who's better?
how did the Seahawks fire Carrol, and found a young guy who's gonna have them in the Super Bowl in his second year with the team? Is their front office that much better than ours? Are you guys saying you have zero confidence in our FO doing the same? So that's why you want to go into year 11, 12, and maybe 13 with a coach who's already proven that he can't win a Super Bowl with the best roster in the NFL?

I think it's a big advantage for them.

Our coaching covers up for managerial shortcomings IMO.

Our coaching staff is a big part of our FO. Big part of the original problem of letting Kyle pick his GM.

Kyle postgame said "don't make more of the loss than what it was, it was a loss" in other words "please don't state it like the blowout it was and make me look like i had no game plan"

I like Kyle.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
So, you people who are sold on shanny and always say, well, who would we get who's better?
how did the Seahawks fire Carrol, and found a young guy who's gonna have them in the Super Bowl in his second year with the team? Is their front office that much better than ours? Are you guys saying you have zero confidence in our FO doing the same? So that's why you want to go into year 11, 12, and maybe 13 with a coach who's already proven that he can't win a Super Bowl with the best roster in the NFL?

I think they should have fired him after he screwed up the last Super Bowl, but we all knew the Yorks wouldn't. And they won't fire him now. IMO, he's gonna be here at least another 8 years. But if the Yorks really wanted to win like the hawks and the rams, they would move on from him and lynch and start over. I just want to know the opinions of those who love Kyle and how they think the hawks found carolls replacement so quick. I guess they got lucky?

Yeah we could also be like the Titans and fire our coach who everyone in the football world says is a good coach and watch that coach look great with another team.

Great post, so much more likely

Originally posted by jcs:
Our coaching staff is a big part of our FO. Big part of the original problem of letting Kyle pick his GM.

I agree with your first sentence, and I would include Kyle in my criticism of the teams management.

The second is not accurate. Jed and Paraag could not land their GM targets in 2017. The top candidates refused interviews or dropped out of contention after interviewing. What Kyle did was use leverage to gain control of the final roster. There's a hell of a lot more to front office management than that.

Originally posted by bud49:
Kyle postgame said "don't make more of the loss than what it was, it was a loss" in other words "please don't state it like the blowout it was and make me look like i had no game plan"

I like Kyle.

Sometimes the other team is just better. I don't think there was some magic adjustment or gameplan he could have thought up to change this outcome.

The fact is, this team was devastated by injuries in a year that they had already conceded from the salary cap decisions. Its a miracle we made it this far. Its easy to lose sight of the big picture and call Kyle all the usual names when he fails, but it was a masterful job keeping this team of backups and rookies focused and contending all season. Never once in his 9 years here has the team checked out, even when the season was shot. Thats a rarity.

Originally posted by Niners99:

Originally posted by bud49:
Kyle postgame said "don't make more of the loss than what it was, it was a loss" in other words "please don't state it like the blowout it was and make me look like i had no game plan"

I like Kyle.

Sometimes the other team is just better. I don't think there was some magic adjustment or gameplan he could have thought up to change this outcome.

The fact is, this team was devastated by injuries in a year that they had already conceded from the salary cap decisions. Its a miracle we made it this far. Its easy to lose sight of the big picture and call Kyle all the usual names when he fails, but it was a masterful job keeping this team of backups and rookies focused and contending all season. Never once in his 9 years here has the team checked out, even when the season was shot. Thats a rarity.

I agree with what you said on the injuries etc etc, but it was a blowout to me I'm just saying Kyle needs to not make it any less than what it was. Nothing wrong with the blowout due to being down several players just don't try to smooth it out.

And part of it is they have drafted better than we have in several of the last drafts. Plus this team is getting older.

The only thing I blame Kyle for in this game is not receiving to start the game. If you review my previous posts I stated the significance of not falling behind with these "good" teams. I brought up how previously the Rams and Seattle both at home brought it right to us to start the game in their opening drives and it was downhill from there. I said we had the ball first at Philly and scored a TD which I think helped us.

I think Kyle is a good coach but not great. At this point, I do not think he should be even considered for the Hall of Fame. I also hope he stays with us because he does help create a winning culture here in SF.

But he struggles with strategic decisions that can change games.

1. Should have deferred in overtime against KC in last SB AND
2. Should have received opening kickoff at Seattle last night.

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
So, you people who are sold on shanny and always say, well, who would we get who's better?
how did the Seahawks fire Carrol, and found a young guy who's gonna have them in the Super Bowl in his second year with the team? Is their front office that much better than ours? Are you guys saying you have zero confidence in our FO doing the same? So that's why you want to go into year 11, 12, and maybe 13 with a coach who's already proven that he can't win a Super Bowl with the best roster in the NFL?

I think they should have fired him after he screwed up the last Super Bowl, but we all knew the Yorks wouldn't. And they won't fire him now. IMO, he's gonna be here at least another 8 years. But if the Yorks really wanted to win like the hawks and the rams, they would move on from him and lynch and start over. I just want to know the opinions of those who love Kyle and how they think the hawks found carolls replacement so quick. I guess they got lucky?

Yorks like money. Kyle will all his glitz and magic dust sells seats and merchandise. Who doesn't want to see the Niners throttle the Titans ? Or pummel the Cardinals ? Or beat up on the Giants ? It's an illusion and the fans have bought into the "if you try hard enough, eventually you'll break through". Kyle Shanahan could be the coach here for the next 30 years, and finally win a SB in year 31 and ppl would celebrate like it was the plan all along.

the reality ? In today's NFL, where the league wants every team vying for a playoff spot in week 18, and referees can decide a game or tilt it in favor of one team on one erroneous call, it's easy for a team to go free bottom feeder to championship contender in one season.

Kyle Shanahan had his moment. He came into this league and had a good 5 year window with all his fluff and swagger to make himself into a demi-god. But he squandered that opportunity to Andy Reid x 2, and Sean McVay, and Nick Sirrianni (lol). The league has caught on to his shtick, and good teams enter games with a counterpunch Kyle just can't seem to shake off. This is not new. It's been going on for 2 seasons now. We're just quick to point fingers at refs, weather, injuries without looking at the real issue at hand. It's become a stale process. Good enough to beat mediocre teams and make the playoffs. Get beat by a real team with a real coach. Make excuses. Go into offseason. Rinse and repeat.

this cycle has to be broken. Since the fanbase is unable to hold him accountable, and Jed York clearly doesn't care as long as the money is coming in, our only hope is that it all catches up to him at some point and he throws in the towel. It's how the Eagles rid themselves of Andy Reid —- by forcing him out of town despite all the accolades and participation trophies he brought to Philadelphia. And guess what ? They've won 2 more SBs in the last decade because of it. You think they would have 2 SB trophies if Andy Reid was still head coach ?

I was on the fire Kyle bandwagon after the last superbowl loss. But now.. I see this guy can out coach 95% of the league most Sunday's. His biggest problem is personnel management. He only plays players he 100% trust and rarely allows them to learn on the fly. Not playing the rookie offensive players all year is unacceptable. Relying on old slow vets can only get you so far. But Kyle is stubborn and will probably do the same thing next season 🤷🏾‍♂?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
So, you people who are sold on shanny and always say, well, who would we get who's better?
how did the Seahawks fire Carrol, and found a young guy who's gonna have them in the Super Bowl in his second year with the team? Is their front office that much better than ours? Are you guys saying you have zero confidence in our FO doing the same? So that's why you want to go into year 11, 12, and maybe 13 with a coach who's already proven that he can't win a Super Bowl with the best roster in the NFL?

I think they should have fired him after he screwed up the last Super Bowl, but we all knew the Yorks wouldn't. And they won't fire him now. IMO, he's gonna be here at least another 8 years. But if the Yorks really wanted to win like the hawks and the rams, they would move on from him and lynch and start over. I just want to know the opinions of those who love Kyle and how they think the hawks found carolls replacement so quick. I guess they got lucky?

Yeah we could also be like the Titans and fire our coach who everyone in the football world says is a good coach and watch that coach look great with another team.

Who cares ? Let him be great somewhere else. Andy Reid left and won 3 SBs in KC. Guess what ? The team that dumped him won 2 with 2 different coaches. You guys hang on to Kyle like he's the next coming of Jesus. It's a fallacy to claim that losing Kyle automatically puts us in the Dennis Erickson / Mike Nolan years. It sounds even more preposterous when you see guys like Ben Johnson and Mike Macdonald turn bottom feeders into contenders in 1-2 years. Kyle is not the be-all and end-all that you guys claim him to be…

Originally posted by bud49:
Kyle postgame said "don't make more of the loss than what it was, it was a loss" in other words "please don't state it like the blowout it was and make me look like i had no game plan"

I like Kyle.

Where was he wrong though?

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
So, you people who are sold on shanny and always say, well, who would we get who's better?
how did the Seahawks fire Carrol, and found a young guy who's gonna have them in the Super Bowl in his second year with the team? Is their front office that much better than ours? Are you guys saying you have zero confidence in our FO doing the same? So that's why you want to go into year 11, 12, and maybe 13 with a coach who's already proven that he can't win a Super Bowl with the best roster in the NFL?

I think they should have fired him after he screwed up the last Super Bowl, but we all knew the Yorks wouldn't. And they won't fire him now. IMO, he's gonna be here at least another 8 years. But if the Yorks really wanted to win like the hawks and the rams, they would move on from him and lynch and start over. I just want to know the opinions of those who love Kyle and how they think the hawks found carolls replacement so quick. I guess they got lucky?

their front office is better than ours. We don't have anyone who can evaluate talent like John Schneider, he's been doing that for a long time