49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

I read the comments both pro and con about Kyle. For the re4cord I think he's done a good job but he seems to have a problem when he has to go off script. As long as ther Niners are able to move the ball and score it's fine. When they have to play catchup they struggle. Other than that he's done a good job.

As for the debate about whether he should stay or be replaced I think it's a joke. Every site I see and every ranking of coaches has him always at least in the top 5. Usually in the top 3. Replace him? With who?

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I read the comments both pro and con about Kyle. For the re4cord I think he's done a good job but he seems to have a problem when he has to go off script. As long as ther Niners are able to move the ball and score it's fine. When they have to play catchup they struggle. Other than that he's done a good job.

As for the debate about whether he should stay or be replaced I think it's a joke. Every site I see and every ranking of coaches has him always at least in the top 5. Usually in the top 3. Replace him? With who?

Not wrong. Championship Coaches dont grow trees but at this point Shanny is a tease.

Originally posted by Montana:
What sucks is that I feel that Kyle is hot n cold.. and idk which one is gunna show up Before the Bears game, he looked locked TF in and he was..then he looks almost lost at other times..why? Lol
What was it? 1-39 if down by whatever in the 4th? I mean, that's kinda bad. He falls apart. When he looks lost, it makes me uncomfortable lol and it's like here we go, the Kaepernick eyes ..the game gets too big..or the thoughts in the head..short circuit lol

I mean, yeah, I remember when Reid was kinda mid. But the dude is smart..and he just became more refined over time..hopefully, that happens with Kyle..I dnt like waiting tho lol

Where was that smart dude this yr when he lost his generational QB? 12 pts per game and going 0-4? talk about looking lost.

Niners had 3 4th QR comeback wins just this yr, folks keep tweaking that stat over and over for confirmation bias. Like he's never come back from 7 pts or 10 pts with 2mins left blah blah blah…they also leave out every other head coach in those same situations who have an abysmal record all the same.

Then we get into the "old days" in SF. You know who was there for some of it? Kyle. Dude wore his sanders jersey for weeks. Rooted for this team and watched his dad help this team win a SB. He's one of us. He has this team ready to play every freaking week, regardless of who on the field. He might not be perfect, no HC is

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I read the comments both pro and con about Kyle. For the re4cord I think he's done a good job but he seems to have a problem when he has to go off script. As long as ther Niners are able to move the ball and score it's fine. When they have to play catchup they struggle. Other than that he's done a good job.

As for the debate about whether he should stay or be replaced I think it's a joke. Every site I see and every ranking of coaches has him always at least in the top 5. Usually in the top 3. Replace him? With who?

What does going off script even mean? So after his first 15 scripted plays it sucks? not following there.

I would say most teams that don't have some generational level QB find it hard to play catch up…especially when your defense is literally last in everything.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Consistency does mean something and Shany has shown he can win in this league and be competitive. The agrument is can he win it all and in 11 years the answer is no. So this opens up the convo of why that is the case and it deserves criticisms. He has certainly had the roster to do so.

I see your point, there are plenty of webzoners that have views when it comes to players and coaches that align with participation trophies more than championships. No question.

If it comes down to if you've won a SB ring or not, then you're gonna be upset 99% of the time. 40% of the league hasn't even won one SB. The list of HCs with a ring isn't substantial.

Took Andy 20 yrs as a HC to win a ring. I'm not saying we need to hold onto Kyle no matter what, but this constant battle where you can only be a great HC if you win one more game is just weird to me. I don't think Doug Peterson is a better HC than Kyle.

But that is the goal. Win a SB, nothing else. Yes, those moments are few and some none but that is the goal. If it werent no one would get fired and football would be a utopia. Not worth watching.

We all understand the goal. Do you watch the 49ers play football during the season or do you basically just tune in when they make the SB to see if they'll win it?

Does the journey not matter? Do you not enjoy meaningful wins? You can't win the SB if you don't make the playoffs. You can't win the SB if you don't win at least 2 games in the playoffs and you can't win the SB if you're not in the SB to play that game.

Acting like getting to the SB isn't any accomplishment worth being proud of is dumb IMO. You can be disappointed not to get that final win but acting like a SB losing season is the same, if not worse than a 4-13 season is insanity IMO.

I dont think "we all do understand the goal"

I have enjoyed this season and the journey does matter but eventually the journey needs to end with a SB.

Losing a SB is devastating. Just look at the teams record the following year. Generally not great.

The way we lost agsinst Balt and KCx2 was worst then a 4 -12 record. The losing record doesnt hold expectations.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

But that is the goal. Win a SB, nothing else. Yes, those moments are few and some none but that is the goal. If it werent no one would get fired and football would be a utopia. Not worth watching.

Literally Kyle has put SF in a position where that goal is attainable every yr. You can't say that for most teams in the NFL right now, you just can't.

It's why he won't win COTY this yr because his expectations exceed the other candidates, regardless of all these injuries.

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I dont think "we all do understand the goal"

I have enjoyed this season and the journey does matter but eventually the journey needs to end with a SB.

Losing a SB is devastating. Just look at the teams record the following year. Generally not great.

The way we lost agsinst Balt and KCx2 was worst then a 4 -12 record. The losing record doesnt hold expectations.

Being a consistent losing franchise that has zero expectations year after year is devastating. We've been there prior and that's what a majority of the league is. Every yr you got 6-10 HCs openings, most of them don't get it right and start over every couple yrs.

Losing a couple SBs because of one or two plays sucks, but it shows that it attainable with this staff and roster.

being a s**tty ass team yr after yr is worse, pretending it not is a lie. Go ask giant fans.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Because it's simply not true. SF had the 15th overall SOS this yr. We played in a division that had 3 12+ records, which has never happened before.

And again you toss out crap like Vrabel and Payton are better, yet in the same breath talk about how "easy" Kyle's schedule is….Pats beat one team with a winning record and had the easiest schedule in football. Broncos second easiest schedule in football this yr. I mean Vrabel has been coaching for 7 yrs and is 3-5 in the playoffs. He's never sniffed a SB to even try to lose.

You're critical of his past playoff failures? He has a .667 play record, which is one of the highest among current HCs… that's why we're calling you and others out. Double standards and crazy expectations for Kyle that you clearly don't apply to anyone else. It's all hypocritical crap.

So many assumptions about me.

I hate Kyle? Well that's news to me? I think Payton and Vrabel are better? Again, news for me.

But thank you for telling me how I feel about certain things. Appreciate it.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

But that is the goal. Win a SB, nothing else. Yes, those moments are few and some none but that is the goal. If it werent no one would get fired and football would be a utopia. Not worth watching.

Literally Kyle has put SF in a position where that goal is attainable every yr. You can't say that for most teams in the NFL right now, you just can't.

It's why he won't win COTY this yr because his expectations exceed the other candidates, regardless of all these injuries.

Every year?....not quite but yes he has been mostly competitive.

If you go back and look at the greatest coaches in the NFL, how many are mentioned as great that havent won. The NFL is about winners not consolation prizes.

I will be clear, i am not in the camp of fire Shanny at this point but the rosy glasses that wbzers wear in viewing Shanny and players is ridiculous. He is a good coach that still deserves criticism.

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
Consistency does mean something and Shany has shown he can win in this league and be competitive. The agrument is can he win it all and in 11 years the answer is no. So this opens up the convo of why that is the case and it deserves criticisms. He has certainly had the roster to do so.

I see your point, there are plenty of webzoners that have views when it comes to players and coaches that align with participation trophies more than championships. No question.

If it comes down to if you've won a SB ring or not, then you're gonna be upset 99% of the time. 40% of the league hasn't even won one SB. The list of HCs with a ring isn't substantial.

Took Andy 20 yrs as a HC to win a ring. I'm not saying we need to hold onto Kyle no matter what, but this constant battle where you can only be a great HC if you win one more game is just weird to me. I don't think Doug Peterson is a better HC than Kyle.

But that is the goal. Win a SB, nothing else. Yes, those moments are few and some none but that is the goal. If it werent no one would get fired and football would be a utopia. Not worth watching.

We all understand the goal. Do you watch the 49ers play football during the season or do you basically just tune in when they make the SB to see if they'll win it?

Does the journey not matter? Do you not enjoy meaningful wins? You can't win the SB if you don't make the playoffs. You can't win the SB if you don't win at least 2 games in the playoffs and you can't win the SB if you're not in the SB to play that game.

Acting like getting to the SB isn't any accomplishment worth being proud of is dumb IMO. You can be disappointed not to get that final win but acting like a SB losing season is the same, if not worse than a 4-13 season is insanity IMO.

I dont think "we all do understand the goal"

I have enjoyed this season and the journey does matter but eventually the journey needs to end with a SB.

Losing a SB is devastating. Just look at the teams record the following year. Generally not great.

The way we lost agsinst Balt and KCx2 was worst then a 4 -12 record. The losing record doesnt hold expectations.

I agree.

And I've said it before, there is no difference of losing the Super Bowl or going 4-12. At the end of the day both team lost and they both start the next year with the same record but only one team is the defending Champions.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:
I dont think "we all do understand the goal"

I have enjoyed this season and the journey does matter but eventually the journey needs to end with a SB.

Losing a SB is devastating. Just look at the teams record the following year. Generally not great.

The way we lost agsinst Balt and KCx2 was worst then a 4 -12 record. The losing record doesnt hold expectations.

Being a consistent losing franchise that has zero expectations year after year is devastating. We've been there prior and that's what a majority of the league is. Every yr you got 6-10 HCs openings, most of them don't get it right and start over every couple yrs.

Losing a couple SBs because of one or two plays sucks, but it shows that it attainable with this staff and roster.

being a s**tty ass team yr after yr is worse, pretending it not is a lie. Go ask giant fans.

Not saying a pereninial loser is a better position. That is stupid.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TD49ers:

But that is the goal. Win a SB, nothing else. Yes, those moments are few and some none but that is the goal. If it werent no one would get fired and football would be a utopia. Not worth watching.

Literally Kyle has put SF in a position where that goal is attainable every yr. You can't say that for most teams in the NFL right now, you just can't.

It's why he won't win COTY this yr because his expectations exceed the other candidates, regardless of all these injuries.

"Literally every year"?

Except for 4 out of the 9 years that we have had a losing season. But those don't count.

Double post

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Being a consistent losing franchise that has zero expectations year after year is devastating. We've been there prior and that's what a majority of the league is. Every yr you got 6-10 HCs openings, most of them don't get it right and start over every couple yrs.

Losing a couple SBs because of one or two plays sucks, but it shows that it attainable with this staff and roster.

being a s**tty ass team yr after yr is worse, pretending it not is a lie. Go ask giant fans.

Is it attainable to get there again with these guys? Possibly. Winning it is another story and backed by their 0-2 record in Super Bowls and 2-4 record in NFCCG's.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
"Literally every year"?

Except for 4 out of the 9 years that we have had a losing season. But those don't count.

There you go with the disingenous/bad faith takes again. He inherited a bottom-dwelling roster and had losing seasons in 2017 and 2018. An objective assessment of the 49ers and Shanahan would take those rebuilding years into strong consideration. You're a joke, dude.