49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Oh here we go again.

Better QB skill wise no? More successful QB? Yes, because he won a ring and Marino didn't.

Also, nice to see guys can insult other guys as long as you don't say anything negative about the team.

Always can tell the guys that never played team sports

Oh here's another one too. Add it to the list. You criticize the team and it means you're not a fan AND you have never played sports.

Im 46 years old. I have been playing competetive hockey since I was 4 years old. Played AAA baseball. I still play hockey and baseball. Played high school basketball and football. Golf and tennis nearly every weekend. Gym and strength training 5 times a week.

You can always tell who has never played COMPETETIVE sports because it's clear you guys don't care about winning.

This is actually an interesting post. IMO it helps to understand everyone has different mindsets. It appears you are viewing this more as a combatant and not so much as a fan. Where the majority here including myself view this more as entertainment from a fan perspective.

Different POVs.

There is nothing entertaining about watching a team you have rooted for for over 30 years lose in a Championship game.

Aren't you 46?

Yup. I started cheering for the 49ers in 1989 when I was 10.

I used to record the games on VHS tape and re-watch them all and walk to the corner store Monday to get the morning paper to check the stats and box scores.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Yes, I realize that. It's all you guys say.

We played 5 quality opponents all year and had a 3-4 record vs them.

Rams x 2
Seattle x 2
Jacksonville
Houston
Chicago

In all the other games we played Spencer Rattler, Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Michael Penix, Jaxon Dart, Jacoby Brissett, Bryce Young, Shedeur Sanders, Cam Ward, Phillip Rivers and Caleb Williams.

Not exactly a murderers row of starting QBs. And even half those mediocre QBs ate up this subpar D of ours.

lol all we're saying is he won a bunch of games despite having half a roster for most to the season…yet here you are trying so f**king hard to downplay any of it. The ignorance is next level imo.

I just saw another post where you propped up Vrabel, easiest record in football. They beat ONE team with a winning record. Payton second easiest record in football this yr.

your boy Andy Reid couldn't muster up more than 12 pts per game once they lost their QB, 0-4 and two of those games was vs the Raiders and titans.

you talk about SBs without any nuance, tell us you played sports, but in turn push wins and losses on a HC vs understanding how sports actually works lol. You toss out a list of current HCs that you think are better, yet only 4 of them won a SB (one like 15 yrs ago) and the rest either lost a SB or haven't even sniffed a championship game as a HC, let alone SB win.

The reason I don't take a single thing you or any of the Kyle haters say seriously is because you're all hypocrites. They're unserious debates, the ignorance is spectacular. Oh and the beta/alpha corny b******t 🤣

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Yup. I started cheering for the 49ers in 1989 when I was 10.

I used to record the games on VHS tape and re-watch them all and walk to the corner store Monday to get the morning paper to check the stats and box scores.

First full season I remember watching was 1988/89, seeing Joe do his thing in crunch time was unbelievable and got to see the drive against the Bengals live to win it all, 20-16

I just want some SB win highlights with Purdy, damn it!

Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol all we're saying is he won a bunch of games despite having half a roster for most to the season…yet here you are trying so f**king hard to downplay any of it. The ignorance is next level imo.

I just saw another post where you propped up Vrabel, easiest record in football. They beat ONE team with a winning record. Payton second easiest record in football this yr.

your boy Andy Reid couldn't muster up more than 12 pts per game once they lost their QB, 0-4 and two of those games was vs the Raiders and titans.

you talk about SBs without any nuance, tell us you played sports, but in turn push wins and losses on a HC vs understanding how sports actually works lol. You toss out a list of current HCs that you think are better, yet only 4 of them won a SB (one like 15 yrs ago) and the rest either lost a SB or haven't even sniffed a championship game as a HC, let alone SB win.

The reason I don't take a single thing you or any of the Kyle haters say seriously is because you're all hypocrites. They're unserious debates, the ignorance is spectacular. Oh and the beta/alpha corny b******t 🤣

Strong post brother. 💪

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol all we're saying is he won a bunch of games despite having half a roster for most to the season…yet here you are trying so f**king hard to downplay any of it. The ignorance is next level imo.

I just saw another post where you propped up Vrabel, easiest record in football. They beat ONE team with a winning record. Payton second easiest record in football this yr.

your boy Andy Reid couldn't muster up more than 12 pts per game once they lost their QB, 0-4 and two of those games was vs the Raiders and titans.

you talk about SBs without any nuance, tell us you played sports, but in turn push wins and losses on a HC vs understanding how sports actually works lol. You toss out a list of current HCs that you think are better, yet only 4 of them won a SB (one like 15 yrs ago) and the rest either lost a SB or haven't even sniffed a championship game as a HC, let alone SB win.

The reason I don't take a single thing you or any of the Kyle haters say seriously is because you're all hypocrites. They're unserious debates, the ignorance is spectacular. Oh and the beta/alpha corny b******t 🤣

Strong post brother. 💪

Thanks! I'm just so tired of reading all the hypocritical f**kery….Id rather you just say you hate Kyle and your thought process is based off emotions vs trying to do mental gymnastics on why you're right lol. IMO it's just makes you look ignorant & stupid.

too much of this dumb s**t going on across social media over everything.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol all we're saying is he won a bunch of games despite having half a roster for most to the season…yet here you are trying so f**king hard to downplay any of it. The ignorance is next level imo.

I just saw another post where you propped up Vrabel, easiest record in football. They beat ONE team with a winning record. Payton second easiest record in football this yr.

your boy Andy Reid couldn't muster up more than 12 pts per game once they lost their QB, 0-4 and two of those games was vs the Raiders and titans.

you talk about SBs without any nuance, tell us you played sports, but in turn push wins and losses on a HC vs understanding how sports actually works lol. You toss out a list of current HCs that you think are better, yet only 4 of them won a SB (one like 15 yrs ago) and the rest either lost a SB or haven't even sniffed a championship game as a HC, let alone SB win.

The reason I don't take a single thing you or any of the Kyle haters say seriously is because you're all hypocrites. They're unserious debates, the ignorance is spectacular. Oh and the beta/alpha corny b******t 🤣

Strong post brother. 💪

Thanks! I'm just so tired of reading all the hypocritical f**kery….Id rather you just say you hate Kyle and your thought process is based off emotions vs trying to do mental gymnastics on why you're right lol. IMO it's just makes you look ignorant & stupid.

too much of this dumb s**t going on across social media over everything.

Aren't you the same hypocrite for doing just the opposite? Everytime his team loses it's because of circumstances outside of his coaching. Won't win the SB this year, it's because of injuries. Didn't win it all in 2023 despite a stacked roster, it was because of player mistakes in the Super Bowl. Didn't win in 2022 because of injuries. Didn't win in 2021 because if players made mistakes. Couldn't win in 2020 because of injuries. Couldn't win in 2019 because refs were against us.

Same list of excuses just plug it in for convenience. Don't look deeper into the real issues such as lack of depth, poor personnel choices, conservative play calling. Just blame anything and everything but the head coach who is in charge of fixing those issues…

Originally posted by DrEll:
Aren't you the same hypocrite for doing just the opposite? Everytime his team loses it's because of circumstances outside of his coaching. Won't win the SB this year, it's because of injuries. Didn't win it all in 2023 despite a stacked roster, it was because of player mistakes in the Super Bowl. Didn't win in 2022 because of injuries. Didn't win in 2021 because if players made mistakes. Couldn't win in 2020 because of injuries. Couldn't win in 2019 because refs were against us.

Same list of excuses just plug it in for convenience. Don't look deeper into the real issues such as lack of depth, poor personnel choices, conservative play calling. Just blame anything and everything but the head coach who is in charge of fixing those issues…

It doesn't work that way around here. We aren't supposed to criticize a coach or player until they are gone.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Rice-a-Ronnie:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
lol all we're saying is he won a bunch of games despite having half a roster for most to the season…yet here you are trying so f**king hard to downplay any of it. The ignorance is next level imo.

I just saw another post where you propped up Vrabel, easiest record in football. They beat ONE team with a winning record. Payton second easiest record in football this yr.

your boy Andy Reid couldn't muster up more than 12 pts per game once they lost their QB, 0-4 and two of those games was vs the Raiders and titans.

you talk about SBs without any nuance, tell us you played sports, but in turn push wins and losses on a HC vs understanding how sports actually works lol. You toss out a list of current HCs that you think are better, yet only 4 of them won a SB (one like 15 yrs ago) and the rest either lost a SB or haven't even sniffed a championship game as a HC, let alone SB win.

The reason I don't take a single thing you or any of the Kyle haters say seriously is because you're all hypocrites. They're unserious debates, the ignorance is spectacular. Oh and the beta/alpha corny b******t 🤣

Strong post brother. 💪

Thanks! I'm just so tired of reading all the hypocritical f**kery….Id rather you just say you hate Kyle and your thought process is based off emotions vs trying to do mental gymnastics on why you're right lol. IMO it's just makes you look ignorant & stupid.

too much of this dumb s**t going on across social media over everything.

Aren't you the same hypocrite for doing just the opposite? Everytime his team loses it's because of circumstances outside of his coaching. Won't win the SB this year, it's because of injuries. Didn't win it all in 2023 despite a stacked roster, it was because of player mistakes in the Super Bowl. Didn't win in 2022 because of injuries. Didn't win in 2021 because if players made mistakes. Couldn't win in 2020 because of injuries. Couldn't win in 2019 because refs were against us.

Same list of excuses just plug it in for convenience. Don't look deeper into the real issues such as lack of depth, poor personnel choices, conservative play calling. Just blame anything and everything but the head coach who is in charge of fixing those issues…

He asks:

"Id rather you just say you hate Kyle and your thought process is based off emotions vs trying to do mental gymnastics on why you're right lol. IMO it's just makes you look ignorant & stupid."

People give reasons like you just listed and it still doesn't matter. It falls on deaf ears and we still aren't fans, we should cheer for other teams, we are hypocrites, we don't know football, we have never played sports etc.

And for the record, I don't hate Shanahan as a playcaller. As a head coach it's a different story.

-I'm tiring of him sticking with players who are mediocre like Brendel because they are veterans.

-I'm tired of him being so stubborn and not mixing it up or giving players chances. Seattle didn't have one player past 10 yards last week because Jennings and Bourne don't threaten deep. Why not put in Skyy Moore who has looked electric or Jordan Watkins who can push it deep? Why not play two TE sets with Kittle and Tonges? Why not play a two RB set? CMC has lost his burst as a runner. Why not play Robinson in the backfield and have CMC in the slot where he thrives?

-I'm tiring of him overthinking things.

-I'm tired of him being ultra conservative although he has been better this year

-I'm tired of his personnel decisions like Davis Price and Sermon in back to back drafts, a kicker in the 3rd, Dante Pettis, Jalen Hurd, Joe Williams. The list is extensive

Originally posted by niner4life21:
The reason we're tired of the Kyle hater trolls is because, of all the seasons to non-stop complain and whine, they chose this one, in which the coaching and overall team focus/discipline has been top notch despite the less than ideal circumstances.

We all remember how much we hated Eagles fans for mocking and demeaning the Niners for losing despite not having any QBs. Getting similar energy from your fans towards the head coach who has led an inspired and resilient team is weird, to say the least, and in the context of a dedicated fan forum, annoying AF.

Good post. I've actually seen a few anti Kyle folks on twitter change their tune this year with what he's been doing. But here on the webzone the select few have dug in and no rhyme or reason will matter.

Then they're shocked why people think they're just trolling.

Probably because it's easier for people to suspect trolling in today's internet than to think someone is so narrow minded that they cannot see when a coach is doing something really impressive.

Curious to see what Kyle does on Sunday.

Originally posted by genus49:
Good post. I've actually seen a few anti Kyle folks on twitter change their tune this year with what he's been doing. But here on the webzone the select few have dug in and no rhyme or reason will matter.

Then they're shocked why people think they're just trolling.

Probably because it's easier for people to suspect trolling in today's internet than to think someone is so narrow minded that they cannot see when a coach is doing something really impressive.

Yes, he's coaching well this year. But does that excuse all the other past mistakes?

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Aren't you the same hypocrite for doing just the opposite? Everytime his team loses it's because of circumstances outside of his coaching. Won't win the SB this year, it's because of injuries. Didn't win it all in 2023 despite a stacked roster, it was because of player mistakes in the Super Bowl. Didn't win in 2022 because of injuries. Didn't win in 2021 because if players made mistakes. Couldn't win in 2020 because of injuries. Couldn't win in 2019 because refs were against us.

Same list of excuses just plug it in for convenience. Don't look deeper into the real issues such as lack of depth, poor personnel choices, conservative play calling. Just blame anything and everything but the head coach who is in charge of fixing those issues…

It doesn't work that way around here. We aren't supposed to criticize a coach or player until they are gone.

lol you guys are hilarious. Just complete lack of awareness.

You weren't around for that thread but DrEll put many a post in the rebuild or retool thread that was started last year and was a big hit during the offseason where he claimed we would be a rebuild team that basically wouldn't go anywhere.

The team is 12-5 with impact injuries and in the playoffs. If the team was so bad that even assuming they're healthy was considered a rebuild roster then what exactly allowed them to go 12-5 and make the playoffs? The schedule was available. Maybe not the specific dates but we knew in the offseason every team we would be playing and if anything the SOS became harder.

So what made the difference?

I'll wait...

You too are doing some Olympic level mental gymnastics trying to act like Shanahan isn't doing a great job of coaching. Every loss - Shanahan. Every win - someone else or terrible opponent. Meanwhile Rams and DrEll's golden boy McVay has them losing to Carolina and Atlanta with a healthy roster and an MVP QB.

Logic not even once. I'll give you credit...at least you're more vocal about the talent acquisition part even if over the top in the criticism but aligning yourself with guys who are straight up hypocrites who have been caught in having different logic for other coaches/players to suit their point...maybe not the way to go.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
Good post. I've actually seen a few anti Kyle folks on twitter change their tune this year with what he's been doing. But here on the webzone the select few have dug in and no rhyme or reason will matter.

Then they're shocked why people think they're just trolling.

Probably because it's easier for people to suspect trolling in today's internet than to think someone is so narrow minded that they cannot see when a coach is doing something really impressive.

Yes, he's coaching well this year. But does that excuse all the other past mistakes?

Which mistakes are you talking about?

And are people not allowed to learn from their mistakes?

It might be helpful to learn to express some of these things in an emotional framework rather than trying to present them as facts.

E.g. "I am upset/disappointed with Kyle and will be until he wins a Super Bowl."

Vs.

"Kyle is not a good coach because he hasn't won a Super Bowl."

The first statement no one can argue with: they're your feelings. We can't tell you what they are. The second, while having elements of truth (Kyle has indeed not won the SB), is an attempt to state something objective that upon analysis isn't true: when you look at his body of work with this team, he is a very good head coach. It only gets more muddled with all the spurious comparisons to other coaches in the attempt to justify this claim.

This is assuming, in good faith, that it's not a troll job (which is much harder to assume when the argument is "I know for a fact Kyle will never win the SB so we should just fire him now").

Originally posted by swayze:
It might be helpful to learn to express some of these things in an emotional framework rather than trying to present them as facts.

E.g. "I am upset/disappointed with Kyle and will be until he wins a Super Bowl."

Vs.

"Kyle is not a good coach because he hasn't won a Super Bowl."

The first statement no one can argue with: they're your feelings. We can't tell you what they are. The second, while having elements of truth (Kyle has indeed not won the SB), is an attempt to state something objective that upon analysis isn't true: when you look at his body of work with this team, he is a very good head coach. It only gets more muddled with all the spurious comparisons to other coaches in the attempt to justify this claim.

This is assuming, in good faith, that it's not a troll job (which is much harder to assume when the argument is "I know for a fact Kyle will never win the SB so we should just fire him now").

Very well put. It will fall on deaf ears though.