49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
Does insulting someone questioning their football knowledge or belittling them because they have a different opinion and saying they should go cheer for another team not count?

Anyways, I don't care. I have my opinions and I will stick to them. Question my knowledge or fandom all you want. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

What does bother me is the preferential treatment of posters. But it is what it is. That's how it goes with mob mentality where everyone is so desperate to fit in and 'different' if not accepted.

Back on topic:

All I hear is 12-5. Yes, that's great and wonderful when we are about to get stomped by the Eagles.

I don't put a lot of credit into this record considering we have played 5 playoff calibre teams and have a 3-4 record vs them and all the rest of the teams we played had average to below average QBs

So I don't really care about the 12-5 record because there isn't a lot of substance to it. I knew coming into the year we had a cake walk schedule and was very critical of Lynch for gutting the team and not going all in one last time when we had a home Super Bowl.

As for why I wonder how these guys have a job well it's been pointed out countless times the massive mistakes they have made. Two Super Bowl losses, 2 NFCCG loses, Drafting Solomon Thomas, trading Buckner and taking Kinlaw, passing on Brady for Garrapolo, the Lance trade, multiple draft busts, resigning Aiuyk instead of taking the Steelers trade and now 95 mil in dead money with a top heavy, aging and injury prone team.

The mistakes they have made gives me no hope they will be able to rebuild it again.

These aren't some little mistakes that get shoved under the rug. No other team has even close to this amount of MASSIVE failures and the Lance trade alone would be enough to get most GM's fired.

A 12-5 record vs inferior teams this year does not erase all the massive mistakes these guys have made.

all of those "mistakes" you point out and yet, Kyle's team made 4 NFC championship games in 5 years, and two Superbowl appearances. IN the NFL that is considered wildly successful. So is a 12-5 record, no matter the strength of schedule. It's a tough league.

You are stuck in a fantasy football, Madden video game, fan driven level of hindsight criticism; very easy to do posting on a 49er fan forum from your parent's basement.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
Can you not read? Vent away just give people something behind the venting. Examples, facts, logic/reasoning.

And yes those posts are allowed. Once again this is a 49ers forum. The threads are here to have discussions. As long as personal attacks aren't included we're not going to dish out warnings or timeouts for back and forth interactions.

It's not complicated. Feel free to post any venting you want - just put in your reasoning and make it rational.

12-5 team in the playoffs with impact injuries all over and a take of "These guys should be fired, I'm shocked they have a job still" or your exact wording is not rational in the least bit.

And once again...you didn't get a warning or timeout from me. So what exactly are you crying about?

Now if we can get to Kyle Shanahan that would be great. If you have any more things to discuss with how I or we mod, then send a PM.

Does insulting someone questioning their football knowledge or belittling them because they have a different opinion and saying they should go cheer for another team not count?

Anyways, I don't care. I have my opinions and I will stick to them. Question my knowledge or fandom all you want. It doesn't bother me in the slightest.

What does bother me is the preferential treatment of posters. But it is what it is. That's how it goes with mob mentality where everyone is so desperate to fit in and 'different' if not accepted.

Back on topic:

All I hear is 12-5. Yes, that's great and wonderful when we are about to get stomped by the Eagles.

I don't put a lot of credit into this record considering we have played 5 playoff calibre teams and have a 3-4 record vs them and all the rest of the teams we played had average to below average QBs

So I don't really care about the 12-5 record because there isn't a lot of substance to it. I knew coming into the year we had a cake walk schedule and was very critical of Lynch for gutting the team and not going all in one last time when we had a home Super Bowl.

As for why I wonder how these guys have a job well it's been pointed out countless times the massive mistakes they have made. Two Super Bowl losses, 2 NFCCG loses, Drafting Solomon Thomas, trading Buckner and taking Kinlaw, passing on Brady for Garrapolo, the Lance trade, multiple draft busts, resigning Aiuyk instead of taking the Steelers trade and now 95 mil in dead money with a top heavy, aging and injury prone team.

The mistakes they have made gives me no hope they will be able to rebuild it again.

These aren't some little mistakes that get shoved under the rug. No other team has even close to this amount of MASSIVE failures and the Lance trade alone would be enough to get most GM's fired.

A 12-5 record vs inferior teams this year does not erase all the massive mistakes these guys have made.

Most of what you call massive mistakes weren't ever going to happen. Passing on Brady? They didn't have a real shot at getting him. Losing in NFC title games and in the SB? Those aren't mistakes. They just got beat by better teams. It happens. Thomas was considered a good pick at the time. Unfortunately he didn't pan out. Same for Kinlaw. Multuple draft busts? Every team has them. Even first round picks only have about a 50% chance of ever becoming an impact player. When you finish high and draft late in the round the chances are even lower.

I agree that they overpaid for Aiyuk but it's not a mistake that he tore his knee up. Just bad luck. The one massive mistake was the Lance deal. I'm sure they would love to take that back but unlike the fans they don't have that luxury. They have to move on because there's always another game to prepare for.

The narrative that we had an easy schedule this year is objectively false at this point.

Our SOS was .498.

Literally exactly the same as the Seahawks and much more difficult than the Bears, Eagles and Packers schedules.

You can **** on your own team if you want to but "only went 12-5 and made the playoffs because easy schedule" is not a valid argument at this point.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Steelers weren't offering anything of value. They agreed to trades with Cleveland and New England that Aiyuk shot down.

Always great that when the 9ers win its always luck while when everyone else wins it's great coaching and talent.

So you are disputing that we had a damn near perfect road to a home Super Bowl with an easy schedule vs inferior teams? The Patriots had a damn easy schedule too and their record reflects it. Thats not luck, it's facts.

A 2nd and 3rd was the agreed upon trade after we asked for George Pickens, Pat Freiermuth or safety Minkah Fitzpatrick and they said no.

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/onsi/news/pittsburgh-steelers-trade-offer-brandon-aiyuk-revealed

The Steelers got DK Metcalf for that 2nd and took Kaleb Johnson with the 3rd and we are left with nothing.

It's yet another failed personnel move by this regime.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Mike McDaniel now fired.

I remember early in 2022 when half this site was saying he was the real genius and Kyle was getting exposed without him. Good times.

I'm trying to understand this thought process.

This doesn't prove anything except the owner made a move that he deemed necessary.

when browns fired belicheck did that mean he was a s**t coach?

when the raiders fired gruden did that mean he was a s**t coach?

when the bucs fired dungy did that mean he was a s**t coach?

when the eagles fired Reid did that mean he was a s**t coach?

when saleh was fired by the jets did that mean he was a s**t coach?

the argument is so flawed.

Originally posted by BP13:
all of those "mistakes" you point out and yet, Kyle's team made 4 NFC championship games in 5 years, and two Superbowl appearances. IN the NFL that is considered wildly successful. So is a 12-5 record, no matter the strength of schedule. It's a tough league.

You are stuck in a fantasy football, Madden video game, fan driven level of hindsight criticism; very easy to do posting on a 49er fan forum from your parent's basement.

Made those 4 games and lost them all and you're content with that. Like I said, loser mentality. Being happy with 2nd place.

I want winners and you're ok with losers. Noted.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
Mike McDaniel now fired.

I remember early in 2022 when half this site was saying he was the real genius and Kyle was getting exposed without him. Good times.

I'm trying to understand this thought process.

This doesn't prove anything except the owner made a move that he deemed necessary.

when browns fired belicheck did that mean he was a s**t coach?

when the raiders fired gruden did that mean he was a s**t coach?

when the bucs fired dungy did that mean he was a s**t coach?

when the eagles fired Reid did that mean he was a s**t coach?

when saleh was fired by the jets did that mean he was a s**t coach?

the argument is so flawed.

He's a worse head coach than Kyle despite what everyone was trying to claim in Week 3 of 2022. Period. Full stop. There's no debating this after today. Dolphins owner decided it was worth firing him just for a CHANCE at John Harbaugh. Nobody would decide that if they already had Kyle.

Your boy might still make a good OC though. Hang in there!

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Koldo:
So much for the "Shanahan coaching tree"

How's the McVay tree doing?

Last time I heard they have a Super Bowl ring

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by BP13:
all of those "mistakes" you point out and yet, Kyle's team made 4 NFC championship games in 5 years, and two Superbowl appearances. IN the NFL that is considered wildly successful. So is a 12-5 record, no matter the strength of schedule. It's a tough league.

You are stuck in a fantasy football, Madden video game, fan driven level of hindsight criticism; very easy to do posting on a 49er fan forum from your parent's basement.

Made those 4 games and lost them all and you're content with that. Like I said, loser mentality. Being happy with 2nd place.

I want winners and you're ok with losers. Noted.

Obviously nobody wants to lose. The Superbowl is always the goal. It's not that black and white though. Your head coach is paid to put the team in position to win. Ask other coaches in this league if they think Kyle is a loser and should be fired. They would laugh you out of the room.
Your take is just an internet forum- fan take. It means nothing outside of fan forums.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
The narrative that we had an easy schedule this year is objectively false at this point.

Our SOS was .498.

Literally exactly the same as the Seahawks and much more difficult than the Bears, Eagles and Packers schedules.

You can **** on your own team if you want to but "only went 12-5 and made the playoffs because easy schedule" is not a valid argument at this point.

We played 5 quality opponents all year and had a 3-4 record vs them.

Rams x 2
Seattle x 2
Jacksonville
Houston
Chicago

In all the other games we played Spencer Rattler, Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Michael Penix, Jaxon Dart, Jacoby Brissett, Bryce Young, Shedeur Sanders, Cam Ward, Phillip Rivers and Caleb Williams.

Not exactly a murderers row of starting QBs. And half those mediocre QBs ate up this subpar D of ours.

If you think our schedule was anything BUT easy then I don't know what to say. 12-5 is great but put some perspective it that record. Let's see what happens when we face an Eagles team this weekend.

That said, if we lose, I'm positive there will be a laundry list of excuses.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
So you are disputing that we had a damn near perfect road to a home Super Bowl with an easy schedule vs inferior teams? The Patriots had a damn easy schedule too and their record reflects it. Thats not luck, it's facts.

A 2nd and 3rd was the agreed upon trade after we asked for George Pickens, Pat Freiermuth or safety Minkah Fitzpatrick and they said no.

https://www.si.com/nfl/steelers/onsi/news/pittsburgh-steelers-trade-offer-brandon-aiyuk-revealed

The Steelers got DK Metcalf for that 2nd and took Kaleb Johnson with the 3rd and we are left with nothing.

It's yet another failed personnel move by this regime.

I dont remember ever seeing that trade talked about. Even so was Aiyuk agreeing to go there or did he only want Washington?

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
We played 5 quality opponents all year and had a 3-4 record vs them.

Rams x 2
Seattle x 2
Jacksonville
Houston
Chicago

In all the other games we played Spencer Rattler, Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Michael Penix, Jaxon Dart, Jacoby Brissett, Bryce Young, Shedeur Sanders, Cam Ward, Phillip Rivers and Caleb Williams.

Not exactly a murderers row of starting QBs. And half those mediocre QBs ate up this subpar D of ours.

If you think our schedule was anything BUT easy then I don't know what to say. 12-5 is great but put some perspective it that record. Let's see what happens when we face an Eagles team this weekend.

That said, if we lose, I'm positive there will be a laundry list of excuses.

The real question is, what excuses will YOU make to undermine this team and its coaching if they beat the Eagles?

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Koldo:
So much for the "Shanahan coaching tree"

How's the McVay tree doing?

Last time I heard they have a Super Bowl ring

Lol what does that have to do with the coaching tree part?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
I dont remember ever seeing that trade talked about. Even so was Aiyuk agreeing to go there or did he only want Washington?

He agreed to go and we had a deal in place. They had a contract agreed to as well.

Then Shanahan backed out at the last minute and the rest is history.

Originally posted by niner4life21:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:
We played 5 quality opponents all year and had a 3-4 record vs them.

Rams x 2
Seattle x 2
Jacksonville
Houston
Chicago

In all the other games we played Spencer Rattler, Kyler Murray, Baker Mayfield, Michael Penix, Jaxon Dart, Jacoby Brissett, Bryce Young, Shedeur Sanders, Cam Ward, Phillip Rivers and Caleb Williams.

Not exactly a murderers row of starting QBs. And half those mediocre QBs ate up this subpar D of ours.

If you think our schedule was anything BUT easy then I don't know what to say. 12-5 is great but put some perspective it that record. Let's see what happens when we face an Eagles team this weekend.

That said, if we lose, I'm positive there will be a laundry list of excuses.

The real question is, what excuses will YOU make to undermine this team and its coaching if they beat the Eagles?

I will be just as happy as all the rest but I'm not holding my breath.

Im a realist, not a 49er homer and I realize that the Eagles are a superior team. If we win it will be a huge upset but the chances of that happening on the road are very slim.

I think Barkley and Hurts will cave this D in on the ground.

This regime has left me disappointed enough times to not expect anything from them.