49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Stop posting your nonsense seriously.
The team was 12-5 with almost everyone injured. The defense was decimated. The starting QB played 9 games.
There's a big game at Philly Sunday.
And you're talking like the Niners are in the same situation as 10 years ago when they had just fired Jim Tomsula.
Can you please stop being a fortywhiner for just a week?
Why don't you go back to RamsWebzone and laugh with your friends about how dysfunctional the Niners are right?

Originally posted by pdc20:
Stop posting your nonsense seriously.
The team was 12-5 with almost everyone injured. The defense was decimated. The starting QB played 9 games.
There's a big game at Philly Sunday.
And you're talking like the Niners are in the same situation as 10 years ago when they had just fired Jim Tomsula.
Can you please stop being a fortywhiner for just a week?
Why don't you go back to RamsWebzone and laugh with your friends about how dysfunctional the Niners are right?

🚫 it really is that simple.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Ok let's repeat this slowly. Sean McVay has a Super Bowl ring. He put up 3 points, took the hit, went out and wooed a future HOF QB and went on to win a Super Bowl.

Kyle Shanahan lost a Super Bowl where he was up by 10 points half way through the 4th. He took th hit, went out and traded 3 FIRST ROUND picks for Trey Lance, only to find out he's a bust. Oh, and then he lost another Super Bowl.

See the difference ? Or are you still enamored with Kyle's regular season 10-5 record vs McVay ?

I know you don't have much to work with when pressed for logic and facts so you have to reach like this but giving a HC credit for a move like that is pure cope.

McVay was handed a #1 overall QB who after being the #2 overall offense the whole season managed to score 3 on the Patriots who weren't even a juggernaut of a defense. McVay was simply outcoached in a major way. He admitted it.

Yet to you that's not an issue because the Genius that is McVay simply decided - let's go get Matt Stafford and "wooed" him. And boom he got it done cuz he's just the best.

Or...how about reality comes in and says that they had a simple relationship from run ins before and McVay being friends with Stafford's brother in law. The biggest factor in that trade going down for the Rams was Stafford wanted out, Lions wanted to start fresh and their GM came from the Rams front office and was a big fan of Jared Goff.

Everything that you've posted trying to claim Kyle Shanahan blew the opportunity to get Stafford actually showed the Lions were not serious about trading with SF. It's no different than saying the nerd in HS didn't get to take the most popular girl in school to the prom because he didn't try hard enough. Sometimes it's just not going to happen.

But back in reality one other thing you like to ignore was Kyle tried to trade for Aaron Rodgers. They called before moving up to #3 overall and they tried again right before the draft and even tried to get Aaron to push things from his side. It soured a close relationship he had with Matt LaFleur.

So Kyle most certainly tried to get a QB like Stafford. Difference was GB wasn't willing to offload a stud QB. The Lions were.

Giving McVay credit for that to up his value as a HC is just as irrational as your theory that somehow losing in the SB is worse than not making it at all.

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by genus49:
Dak Prescott has never seen a conference title. If you're going to put so much emphasis on winning then at least be consistent with the analogies.

Kyle Shanahan is in year 9 as a HC.
Dan Marino played for 17 seasons as a QB.

Kyle Shanahan can coach a lot longer than Marino was able to play QB.

If you want to make the QB to HC analogy then accomplishment wise he's a lot close to Marino than Prescott.

Will Shanahan still be considered a great coach if he doesn't win a SB after 17 years?

It depends on circumstances. If he's constantly getting to conference games and SBs but losing to other elite QBs/HCs or with teams decimated by injury then I'm sure a lot of people will consider him great because most people can think rationally and understand that one game doesn't define a coach who can't control the players on the team doing their job.

Is Doug Pederson a better HC cuz he beat Belichick in the SB?
Is Tom Coughlin a better HC?

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Marino is a consensus top 10 QB of all time even without a SB win.

Shanahans not even in the same ballpark.

Prescotts an okay game manager QB. You can win games with him with a good stacked roster. He's a franchise QB.

The reality is shanahans basically the same. This year was his best year coaching. He actually won games he shouldn't have because this teams a pretender that should have been like 6-11, however, Saleh pulled out a ton of the wins this year making adjustments in the second half allowing the offense to average like 20 pts a game and win. He gets some credit for bringing him in.

The niners had an easy schedule. The SB niners rosters were stacked. Part of that's just getting bosa. Lately the drafts have been pretty mediocre outside minor bright spots.

There's not much to look forward to going forward though and that's why 9 years in he's just a good but not great coach.

You guys need to understand. The 49ers aren't the Seahawks. There's not going to be a light bulb moment next year with bosa back, mcaffrey a year older, Trent a year older etc... we are more like the warriors. An aging dynasty that keeps trying to hold on thinking these dudes are going to turn back time...

Basically already at the purging point where you have to turn the roster again. Ie rebuild 2-3 years before were SB contenders again. This year was wide open. Injuries ruined it so now we're talking 12-13 years of shanahan before maybe having another SB chance if they draft good.

The QB to HC analogies were made to try to reason with some of you guys...clearly it still failed. The whole point was one game, even if it's the SB shouldn't overshadow a vast resume.

As for the rest of your post I find it laughable that you give credit to Saleh and then put in the little "he gets some credit for bringing him in" does he? Do we need to go back to 2018 Saleh thread days? Cuz it was probably like 80% FIRE SALEH!!!

Shanahan brought him in with no coordinator experience and stuck with him. Saleh owes just as much to Kyle as Kyle owes to him this season, if not more. Shanahan identified two great coordinators in Saleh and Demeco. Unfortunately due to being right on them he lost them at one of the most critical times. I have 0 doubt that if Saleh or Demeco were coaching defense for us in 2023 we win that SB. Heck if they were just coaching in OT for us.

But I love when you guys pick and choose when to credit the other coordinators. Don't see you blaming Wilks for the SB loss. And I would certainly say Kyle's offense when healthy was more than able to carry their weight this season. Saleh was brought in for big $ and allowed to run the defense as he saw fit. The moves we made were ok'd by him and he clearly had majority say in the draft.

As for the 49ers not being the Seahawks...ok? What light bulb moment did Seattle have exactly? They were a 9-8 team in Pete Carroll's last season. They were never terrible. They got lucky to trade away Russell Wilson before he collapsed and received a major haul for him. Got even more lucky in 2024 when the draft shook out the way it did(Rams as well) with the first half of the first round being all offense with Seattle and Rams both needing help on defense.

Clearly where we fall to the back is in the front office department and I will agree there. It has to improve. We're having a tough time letting vets go at the right moment. The only guy we allowed to leave was Buckner and we blew that pick with Kinlaw. The other guys we can't seem to get value for them. Deebo tailed off and walked for peanuts. Aiyuk totally f'd us and we'll be lucky to get anything for him.

Kyle and John simply haven't been able to get that type of trade where we move a piece for a big return to infuse lots of talent onto the roster. Having said that we're not behind Seattle because of their QB situation. Seahawk and Ram fans know if our team wasn't beat to a pulp missing key pieces on both sides of the ball we're hosting the playoffs at Levis.

The team is older yes, we have some glaring holes to fill and god forbid one of our heavy hitters retire. But I still trust Shanahan to keep the team winning because he's shown the ability to do that.

What worries me is our drafting...specifically with Kyle pulling the strings early and I talked about it. THAT to me is a legit conversation. Not Kyle's coaching.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Stop posting your nonsense seriously.
The team was 12-5 with almost everyone injured. The defense was decimated. The starting QB played 9 games.
There's a big game at Philly Sunday.
And you're talking like the Niners are in the same situation as 10 years ago when they had just fired Jim Tomsula.
Can you please stop being a fortywhiner for just a week?
Why don't you go back to RamsWebzone and laugh with your friends about how dysfunctional the Niners are right?

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Arm was special. So was Jamarus Russel. Milton, Kap, Vick etc….That system he was in was not conducive to NFL offenses at the time. s**t load of backyard football, pretty big projection.

There was some back yard ball for sure. I cant speak to what you saw in comparison to the guys you named but I can assure my take away from Mahomes was clearly different than yours. Those guys was not in the same realm throwing the football in my eyes.

NY, honest brah... did you even watch games of Jamarcus, Milton, Kap and Vick in college ??

those bazooka arms of theirs are god given, but they are not REAL QBs when I saw them in college.. KAP, brah, he can't event complete a slant !! dude a pitcher !!

You guys can do this hindsight scouting all you want. The reality is Mahomes himself will tell you he wasn't ready for Kyle's system. Hell he wasn't ready for Andy.

This is what you guys fail to acknowledge. Andy Reid was a tenured HC whose team was stuck in the mud.

Andy was a 19 year HC who hadn't won a SB. In his 4 seasons with KC he made the playoffs 3 out of 4 times but only won 1 playoff game.

Heading into that 2017 draft the Chiefs were coming off a 12-4 season where they lost at home after a bye week 16-18. Alex Smith was a good QB for them but he was the Alex Smith we knew. Safe, consistent but won't take you to the next level.

After failing to get his chosen QB of the future in Paxton Lynch(thanks Denver for consistently f'ing us with bad QB moves) his front office convinced him to go in on Mahomes.

Mahomes had Alex Smith to show him how to be an NFL QB, something Patrick talked about a LOT and himself said if he had to start right away he wouldn't be where he is now. And he also talked about how he didn't learn to read defenses until midway into year 3 in 2019(how lucky for us again...)

Meanwhile Kyle Shanahan was brought in to be a first time HC here. He was brought in for his system. We had Brian Hoyer as our vet QB.

So what you guys are expecting is Shanahan in his first HC opportunity take a chance on a guy who HIMSELF said he wasn't NFL ready. Take him #2 or #3 overall, let Brian Hoyer mentor him and expect him to do well in Kyle Shanahan's system which requires the ability to read a defense, throw with anticipation and play within structure?

That sounds like a smart move to you? Oh that's right Kyle should've changed his system...which he was hired for cuz Mahomes was a rare prospect which is why several QB needy teams passed on him and the NFL world was shocked when KC took him as early as they did.

Logical as always...

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Why is shanahan the Dan Marino of coaches?

We're saying he's the consensus best coach to never win a SB? Are we for real here?

He's a hell of a lot closer to dak Prescott than Dan Marino in my book.

Shanny is today's modern

Norv Turner
Mike Martz
Norm Chow
Air Coryell
June Jones

I'm tempted to give you a timeout for obvious trolling with this...

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Honestly if he somehow pulls out this eagles game he deserves credit.

Even though it's all doom and gloom there is a path to having purdy out shoot them.

I just don't see him being able to put it all together.

If you put tonges with kittle and get cowing or watkins on the field you have some real weapons for purdy to throw to. Even without Trent or pearsall.

Then you need to lean at least 10 carries to robinson and give mcaffrey half as many.

Purdy is that good that if you actually gave him decent players who can get open he will find them.

Most of the Seahawks success wasn't because the oline was absolutely terrible (it was) or mcaffrey is on the downhill (he is) it was because purdy actually didn't have anyone open.

Purdy is that good he could have made it work if he had fast receivers to throw to.

I highly doubt kyles willing to shift the offense completely to try to get watkins and cowing some explosive plays and actually let a younger RB maybe break one.

That's why he's just good and not great.

Otherwise we can just watch the eagles smoke us on both sides.

It would be great if we can run the ball 20+ times or take some deep shots but the fact of the matter is Shanahan won't play Cowing or Watkins. He won't have two TE sets with Tonges and we won't see the ball that much because our D doesn't really have one starting calibre player in the front 7.

I fully expect the Eagles Oline to dominate our D and Barkley and Hurts will run wild for 200+

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Honestly if he somehow pulls out this eagles game he deserves credit.

Even though it's all doom and gloom there is a path to having purdy out shoot them.

I just don't see him being able to put it all together.

If you put tonges with kittle and get cowing or watkins on the field you have some real weapons for purdy to throw to. Even without Trent or pearsall.

Then you need to lean at least 10 carries to robinson and give mcaffrey half as many.

Purdy is that good that if you actually gave him decent players who can get open he will find them.

Most of the Seahawks success wasn't because the oline was absolutely terrible (it was) or mcaffrey is on the downhill (he is) it was because purdy actually didn't have anyone open.

Purdy is that good he could have made it work if he had fast receivers to throw to.

I highly doubt kyles willing to shift the offense completely to try to get watkins and cowing some explosive plays and actually let a younger RB maybe break one.

That's why he's just good and not great.

Otherwise we can just watch the eagles smoke us on both sides.

It would be great if we can run the ball 20+ times or take some deep shots but the fact of the matter is Shanahan won't play Cowing or Watkins. He won't have two TE sets with Tonges and we won't see the ball that much because our D doesn't really have one starting calibre player in the front 7.

I fully expect the Eagles Oline to dominate our D and Barkley and Hurts will run wild for 200+

I want to see Cowing and Watkins out there as well unlike you guys I don't believe Kyle is holding out players for no good reason. I think he's trying to put out the guys he trusts to be where they need to be.

Maybe the loss to Seattle will push him to change things up. I hope so cuz we need all the help we can get against that defense but I also think it will more come down to the OL play. Their DL is incredibly tough. Jalen Carter is a monster and Jordan Davis is having a heck of a season as well. Have to keep them contained and keep their hands down...punish them for jumping. Nothing sucks more than having an open receiver...and the ball gets batted down.

I'm not a fan of shanahan. Everybody knows this.

one thing I will say is that after 9 years I've never seen him lose the locker room.

Originally posted by pdc20:
Stop posting your nonsense seriously.
The team was 12-5 with almost everyone injured. The defense was decimated. The starting QB played 9 games.
There's a big game at Philly Sunday.
And you're talking like the Niners are in the same situation as 10 years ago when they had just fired Jim Tomsula.
Can you please stop being a fortywhiner for just a week?
Why don't you go back to RamsWebzone and laugh with your friends about how dysfunctional the Niners are right?

This roster isn't far off from the 2017 roster.

We have maybe 5 or 6 guys on D who should be starters next year. Bosa has missed two years. Mykel Williams is coming off a major injury. We have no pass rushing DT's. Fred Warner will be 30 and coming off a major injury and has maybe 3 or 4 quality years left. We have no-one other than him at LB. The secondary needs two safeties.

On offense we have no receivers if Jennings leaves. Pearsall can't stay healthy. Kittle will be 33 and can't stay healthy. Trent Williams might be a cap casualty. CMC last lost a step as a RB and will probably be hurt next year as is his trend after a heavy workload season. The Oline needs work and is in serious trouble if Trent leaves.

It's a top heavy, injury prone roster.

We have glaring weaknesses at over half the positions. Do we have the drafting record or personnel decision makers to rebuild it again?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Ok let's repeat this slowly. Sean McVay has a Super Bowl ring. He put up 3 points, took the hit, went out and wooed a future HOF QB and went on to win a Super Bowl.

Kyle Shanahan lost a Super Bowl where he was up by 10 points half way through the 4th. He took th hit, went out and traded 3 FIRST ROUND picks for Trey Lance, only to find out he's a bust. Oh, and then he lost another Super Bowl.

See the difference ? Or are you still enamored with Kyle's regular season 10-5 record vs McVay ?

I know you don't have much to work with when pressed for logic and facts so you have to reach like this but giving a HC credit for a move like that is pure cope.

McVay was handed a #1 overall QB who after being the #2 overall offense the whole season managed to score 3 on the Patriots who weren't even a juggernaut of a defense. McVay was simply outcoached in a major way. He admitted it.

Yet to you that's not an issue because the Genius that is McVay simply decided - let's go get Matt Stafford and "wooed" him. And boom he got it done cuz he's just the best.

Or...how about reality comes in and says that they had a simple relationship from run ins before and McVay being friends with Stafford's brother in law. The biggest factor in that trade going down for the Rams was Stafford wanted out, Lions wanted to start fresh and their GM came from the Rams front office and was a big fan of Jared Goff.

Everything that you've posted trying to claim Kyle Shanahan blew the opportunity to get Stafford actually showed the Lions were not serious about trading with SF. It's no different than saying the nerd in HS didn't get to take the most popular girl in school to the prom because he didn't try hard enough. Sometimes it's just not going to happen.

But back in reality one other thing you like to ignore was Kyle tried to trade for Aaron Rodgers. They called before moving up to #3 overall and they tried again right before the draft and even tried to get Aaron to push things from his side. It soured a close relationship he had with Matt LaFleur.

So Kyle most certainly tried to get a QB like Stafford. Difference was GB wasn't willing to offload a stud QB. The Lions were.

Giving McVay credit for that to up his value as a HC is just as irrational as your theory that somehow losing in the SB is worse than not making it at all.

This is getting old. As we've established McVay was with Stafford and his wife eating dinner having contract talks while Kyle was getting some beauty rest. His friend told him that he needs to talk to Stafford NOW and he went to bed instead. Few months later traded 3 FIRST ROUND PICKS FOR A BUST !

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by pdc20:
Stop posting your nonsense seriously.
The team was 12-5 with almost everyone injured. The defense was decimated. The starting QB played 9 games.
There's a big game at Philly Sunday.
And you're talking like the Niners are in the same situation as 10 years ago when they had just fired Jim Tomsula.
Can you please stop being a fortywhiner for just a week?
Why don't you go back to RamsWebzone and laugh with your friends about how dysfunctional the Niners are right?

This roster isn't far off from the 2017 roster.

We have maybe 5 or 6 guys on D who should be starters next year. Bosa has missed two years. Mykel Williams is coming off a major injury. We have no pass rushing DT's. Fred Warner will be 30 and coming off a major injury and has maybe 3 or 4 quality years left. We have no-one other than him at LB. The secondary needs two safeties.

On offense we have no receivers if Jennings leaves. Pearsall can't stay healthy. Kittle will be 33 and can't stay healthy. Trent Williams might be a cap casualty. CMC last lost a step as a RB and will probably be hurt next year as is his trend after a heavy workload season. The Oline needs work and is in serious trouble if Trent leaves.

It's a top heavy, injury prone roster.

We have glaring weaknesses at over half the positions. Do we have the drafting record or personnel decision makers to rebuild it again?

This is spot on. I don't see how anyone can look at the roster and feel good about the team's future.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by pdc20:
Stop posting your nonsense seriously.
The team was 12-5 with almost everyone injured. The defense was decimated. The starting QB played 9 games.
There's a big game at Philly Sunday.
And you're talking like the Niners are in the same situation as 10 years ago when they had just fired Jim Tomsula.
Can you please stop being a fortywhiner for just a week?
Why don't you go back to RamsWebzone and laugh with your friends about how dysfunctional the Niners are right?

This roster isn't far off from the 2017 roster.

We have maybe 5 or 6 guys on D who should be starters next year. Bosa has missed two years. Mykel Williams is coming off a major injury. We have no pass rushing DT's. Fred Warner will be 30 and coming off a major injury and has maybe 3 or 4 quality years left. We have no-one other than him at LB. The secondary needs two safeties.

On offense we have no receivers if Jennings leaves. Pearsall can't stay healthy. Kittle will be 33 and can't stay healthy. Trent Williams might be a cap casualty. CMC last lost a step as a RB and will probably be hurt next year as is his trend after a heavy workload season. The Oline needs work and is in serious trouble if Trent leaves.

It's a top heavy, injury prone roster.

We have glaring weaknesses at over half the positions. Do we have the drafting record or personnel decision makers to rebuild it again?

This is spot on. I don't see how anyone can look at the roster and feel good about the team's future.

Much of what you say is true but sometimes teams need to get to this point before they can rebuild or restock. Bite the bullet and let some high priced players move on or trade them if possible. A couple of bad or below average years and you can get higher draft picks. No team stays on top forever.

Kyle and John built this team from the trash heap. It too them 2 years to reach the SB. If they can rebuild the team in 2 years again I'll be happy.