49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay took over a team who had no identity on offense but a pretty solid defense in place. He had his #1 overall QB in place. He had a stud RB in place and he had a defensive cornerstone in one of the best defensive players of ALL TIME in place with Aaron Donald.

Shanahan took over a team which was a dumpster fire on both sides of the ball. A ton of talent left the team just 2 years prior to him coming on board several HOF level players lost in a flash



2 terrible drafts overall by Baalke followed. We were lucky enough that his love of size paid off with Buckner and Armstead.

The situations each HC took over are miles apart. You can claim all you want how Shanahan had his opportunities to bring in top level QBs and didn't do so but the fact is McVay hasn't done a damn thing without Stafford as his QB. Even with Goff all he got was a 3 point result against a defense that was 21st in yards allowed that season and 7th in points allowed. Far cry from dominance.

Those aren't excuses. Those are facts. Deal with them.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay has never put up 3 points in the biggest game of the season. Why hes so amazing.

Can you imagine the b***h fit that would have ensued had that happened here in the SB?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
McVay IS a better coach than Kyle Shanahan. That's not even a debate…

Ah yes...look at all this evidence you're brought to the conversation. As always riveting stuff from you.

McVay had the worst offensive performance in SB history when he didn't have a first ballot QB.

Had one of the worst meltdowns this yr, where if that was Kyle it would be a whine fest for a month.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Fair points. What I find nuts is how many high picks they miss on vs how many mid to later picks they hit on. If they hit on 1st rounders like 5th rounders we would be a dynasty. I really don't know how much weight Kyle has with drafting. It sounds like they have a pretty collaborative system and he isn't some bully, but I have never read anything concrete.

Kyle should turn a blind eye on WR and RB and see what the scouts/Lynch come up with lol (for all we know they've tried this already)

We haven't really hit on a 4th/5th round guy since 2021 with Lenoir unless you count Mustapha who looks average at best.

Originally posted by genus49:
McVay took over a team who had no identity on offense but a pretty solid defense in place. He had his #1 overall QB in place. He had a stud RB in place and he had a defensive cornerstone in one of the best defensive players of ALL TIME in place with Aaron Donald.

Shanahan took over a team which was a dumpster fire on both sides of the ball. A ton of talent left the team just 2 years prior to him coming on board several HOF level players lost in a flash



2 terrible drafts overall by Baalke followed. We were lucky enough that his love of size paid off with Buckner and Armstead.

The situations each HC took over are miles apart. You can claim all you want how Shanahan had his opportunities to bring in top level QBs and didn't do so but the fact is McVay hasn't done a damn thing without Stafford as his QB. Even with Goff all he got was a 3 point result against a defense that was 21st in yards allowed that season and 7th in points allowed. Far cry from dominance.

Those aren't excuses. Those are facts. Deal with them.

The facts are that McVay has won a Super Bowl and Shanahan has lost two NFCCG and two Super Bowls.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay took over a team who had no identity on offense but a pretty solid defense in place. He had his #1 overall QB in place. He had a stud RB in place and he had a defensive cornerstone in one of the best defensive players of ALL TIME in place with Aaron Donald.

Shanahan took over a team which was a dumpster fire on both sides of the ball. A ton of talent left the team just 2 years prior to him coming on board several HOF level players lost in a flash



2 terrible drafts overall by Baalke followed. We were lucky enough that his love of size paid off with Buckner and Armstead.

The situations each HC took over are miles apart. You can claim all you want how Shanahan had his opportunities to bring in top level QBs and didn't do so but the fact is McVay hasn't done a damn thing without Stafford as his QB. Even with Goff all he got was a 3 point result against a defense that was 21st in yards allowed that season and 7th in points allowed. Far cry from dominance.

Those aren't excuses. Those are facts. Deal with them.

What was Stafford before McVay ? McVay deserves just as much credit as Stafford does. Here's a fact. McVay has a SB ring. Kyle does not. McVay made the right decision in finding a franchise QB. Kyle passed on Mahomes, waited for Cousins, traded for Garropolo, traded the future for Trey, passed on Tom Brady, and luckily landed on Brock Purdy who only got a chance because QB1 and QB2 got injured in the same season.

Sorry can't take anything away from McVay because he has Stafford. He made the right decision and pursued th right player for his team. Kyle has a history of hit and misses when it comes to quarterbacks, and that's why he does not and probably will not win a Super Bowl for this team.

I love my coach

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay took over a team who had no identity on offense but a pretty solid defense in place. He had his #1 overall QB in place. He had a stud RB in place and he had a defensive cornerstone in one of the best defensive players of ALL TIME in place with Aaron Donald.

Shanahan took over a team which was a dumpster fire on both sides of the ball. A ton of talent left the team just 2 years prior to him coming on board several HOF level players lost in a flash



2 terrible drafts overall by Baalke followed. We were lucky enough that his love of size paid off with Buckner and Armstead.

The situations each HC took over are miles apart. You can claim all you want how Shanahan had his opportunities to bring in top level QBs and didn't do so but the fact is McVay hasn't done a damn thing without Stafford as his QB. Even with Goff all he got was a 3 point result against a defense that was 21st in yards allowed that season and 7th in points allowed. Far cry from dominance.

Those aren't excuses. Those are facts. Deal with them.

What was Stafford before McVay ? McVay deserves just as much credit as Stafford does. Here's a fact. McVay has a SB ring. Kyle does not. McVay made the right decision in finding a franchise QB. Kyle passed on Mahomes, waited for Cousins, traded for Garropolo, traded the future for Trey, passed on Tom Brady, and luckily landed on Brock Purdy who only got a chance because QB1 and QB2 got injured in the same season.

Sorry can't take anything away from McVay because he has Stafford. He made the right decision and pursued th right player for his team. Kyle has a history of hit and misses when it comes to quarterbacks, and that's why he does not and probably will not win a Super Bowl for this team.

To be fair Stafford was a great QB prior to McVay. McVay took Goff to a SB. They were just a perfect match. I think KS has flaws and they keep coming back over and over but frankly I don't think anyone other than McVay is clearly better than KS. Your distain for KS is a bit much lol. This teams biggest issue is simply talent. They don't have it. They need someone else calling the draft picks.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I love my coach

Agreed!

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I love my coach

Shanahan is a great coach. Given 5 of the 6 coaches preceding him with the 49ers I wouldn't trade Shanny for any other coach today.

The onus is on the FO to continue to draft well.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
I love my coach

Shanahan is a great coach. Given 5 of the 6 coaches preceding him with the 49ers I wouldn't trade Shanny for any other coach today.

The onus is on the FO to continue to draft well.

Continue?

They've been s**t at drafting the last five years.

Originally posted by 49er-from-Yavin-IV:
Shanahan is a great coach. Given 5 of the 6 coaches preceding him with the 49ers I wouldn't trade Shanny for any other coach today.

The onus is on the FO to continue to draft well.

I'm pretty sure it was Shanahan making all the personnel decisions. Lynch is a mouth piece. He talks well, former player, HOF safety. He isn't a GM.

Pete Carroll is available if we want a Superbowl Winning coach....

Originally posted by ninersrule4:
To be fair Stafford was a great QB prior to McVay. McVay took Goff to a SB. They were just a perfect match. I think KS has flaws and they keep coming back over and over but frankly I don't think anyone other than McVay is clearly better than KS. Your distain for KS is a bit much lol. This teams biggest issue is simply talent. They don't have it. They need someone else calling the draft picks.

But they did have talent. Everyone blamed the 2019 loss on JimmyG. So we replaced him with an upgrade and went back in 2023. Then we move the goal posts and say well it was injuries. Or the refs. Or missed assignments.

It shouldn't be that you go into a game and all the stars have to be aligned for you to show your true potential. In a Superbowl every team has injuries. Every team makes mistakes on offense defense special teams. Every team gets bad calls. It's the ability to game plan around those shortcomings what defines a true champion. Guys like genus point to Greenlaw's injury and Burford's missed block as to why we lost the Super Bowl. They're quick to lay blame at Jimmy for not closing in 2019. Yet you have a supposedly top 5 head coach who couldn't over come those barriers. All it takes to shake the 49ers is to throw a wrench into Kyle's gameplan. He can't adapt. Unless players take matters into their own hands eg Brock Purdy in the NFCC game where he started running for his life, Kyle's coaching philosophy is too rigid. Perfect example last week. Look how Seattle played us defensively from opening whistle to final drive. Tell me Kyle changed up the scheme to adapt to move the ball. Where was BRob? Tonges ? Watkins for speed ? 2 TE sets against a team that struggles against covering TEs ?

Originally posted by Sask49erFan:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Fair points. What I find nuts is how many high picks they miss on vs how many mid to later picks they hit on. If they hit on 1st rounders like 5th rounders we would be a dynasty. I really don't know how much weight Kyle has with drafting. It sounds like they have a pretty collaborative system and he isn't some bully, but I have never read anything concrete.

Kyle should turn a blind eye on WR and RB and see what the scouts/Lynch come up with lol (for all we know they've tried this already)

We haven't really hit on a 4th/5th round guy since 2021 with Lenoir unless you count Mustapha who looks average at best.

This is true. I do like Mustapha as our SS/box guy. but I do think the last two drafts have been better. I do not understand why they draft guys and never play them (watkins and james) So that's a real gripe.