49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
this guys start every press conference with a laundry list of the latest players that are injured. and usually including at least one a week that will be out for the year.

all our answers to all our problems lie right there. until that changes they wont win the big game.

Starts with talent acquisition and unfortunately Kyle and lynch haven't had issues with taking a chance on oft injured players over the 9 years here

If we're going to have serious conversations about issues with Kyle it's talent acquisition IMO.

I don't think the issue is drafting injury concern players(at least at this point). It was a problem for a bit for sure - Foster(on top of his off the field stuff), Deebo, Hurd, Kinlaw and a few others I can't think of right now. Some worked out like Deebo and some were major whiffs.

I think the last few drafts they've made a concerned effort to target guys who haven't missed a lot of time or if they got injured they showed their toughness in playing through those injuries like Mykel.

The bigger issue and I hope and pray it gets addressed in the offseason somehow is our training staff. Too many hamstring, groin and other soft tissue injuries. I don't know what needs to be done, it's above my knowledge level but SOMETHING has to be done.

But I do want to talk about the talent acquisition in general. That is my biggest concern with Kyle and I've brought it up before. I worry about when he falls in love with certain players and the rest of the front office may not share that love. We may never know of course when those situations come up...but we have some examples that I think are easy to figure out.

Joe Williams - we had the guy off the draft board. Suddenly Kyle wants him and not only do we draft him, we trade up for him. Guy was a complete nothing.
CJ Beathard - he's still out there as a backup I believe so not a total whiff but another guy Kyle identified as wanting and we trade up into the bottom of the 3rd to grab him so Kyle could sleep better. Bad...

We'll likely never know who really pushed for Trey Lance to be the guy but I find it hard to believe that Shanahan if he's able to make moves like the two above wouldn't get HIS guy. Which makes me scared because we all know Brock Purdy wasn't a guy Kyle pushed for. Those later picks are not usually HC favorites. He may like them but they're going late for a reason. We've clearly seen if Kyle wants someone draft board and predictions be damned. We're getting his guys.

I think Dante Pettis, Jalen Hurd were also Kyle's guys. Hard to know what Hurd would've become since he did look good in camp and that first preseason game but...we all know how that career went down.

Obviously it's not all bad from Kyle - Deebo and Aiyuk despite how those situations ended were very talented and great players for us. And really WR is probably the one position I'd give Kyle approval to push for...even if he hates their guts as rookies lol. Even Ricky looks pretty good if he can just avoid injury(which to be fair was something he did in college having 0 missed games)

But overall I do worry about his push in the draft. I thought it was a big step forward for him to give Saleh control of the defensive picks and I hope he grows from that because I think the results are positive ones.

I love John Lynch but I would love for a way to bring in a proven GM with Kyle giving up some of his power. Work together but Kyle should admit he hasn't been sharp on that front and let someone else take more control of the draft. Don't want a Baalke/Harbaugh situation of course but I'd love to start hitting on more of our picks in the early rounds and be more mindful of the overall consensus so we're not taking guys like TDP or Cameron Latu long before anyone else would have.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
this guys start every press conference with a laundry list of the latest players that are injured. and usually including at least one a week that will be out for the year.

all our answers to all our problems lie right there. until that changes they wont win the big game.

Starts with talent acquisition and unfortunately Kyle and lynch haven't had issues with taking a chance on oft injured players over the 9 years here

If we're going to have serious conversations about issues with Kyle it's talent acquisition IMO.

I don't think the issue is drafting injury concern players(at least at this point). It was a problem for a bit for sure - Foster(on top of his off the field stuff), Deebo, Hurd, Kinlaw and a few others I can't think of right now. Some worked out like Deebo and some were major whiffs.

I think the last few drafts they've made a concerned effort to target guys who haven't missed a lot of time or if they got injured they showed their toughness in playing through those injuries like Mykel.

The bigger issue and I hope and pray it gets addressed in the offseason somehow is our training staff. Too many hamstring, groin and other soft tissue injuries. I don't know what needs to be done, it's above my knowledge level but SOMETHING has to be done.

But I do want to talk about the talent acquisition in general. That is my biggest concern with Kyle and I've brought it up before. I worry about when he falls in love with certain players and the rest of the front office may not share that love. We may never know of course when those situations come up...but we have some examples that I think are easy to figure out.

Joe Williams - we had the guy off the draft board. Suddenly Kyle wants him and not only do we draft him, we trade up for him. Guy was a complete nothing.
CJ Beathard - he's still out there as a backup I believe so not a total whiff but another guy Kyle identified as wanting and we trade up into the bottom of the 3rd to grab him so Kyle could sleep better. Bad...

We'll likely never know who really pushed for Trey Lance to be the guy but I find it hard to believe that Shanahan if he's able to make moves like the two above wouldn't get HIS guy. Which makes me scared because we all know Brock Purdy wasn't a guy Kyle pushed for. Those later picks are not usually HC favorites. He may like them but they're going late for a reason. We've clearly seen if Kyle wants someone draft board and predictions be damned. We're getting his guys.

I think Dante Pettis, Jalen Hurd were also Kyle's guys. Hard to know what Hurd would've become since he did look good in camp and that first preseason game but...we all know how that career went down.

Obviously it's not all bad from Kyle - Deebo and Aiyuk despite how those situations ended were very talented and great players for us. And really WR is probably the one position I'd give Kyle approval to push for...even if he hates their guts as rookies lol. Even Ricky looks pretty good if he can just avoid injury(which to be fair was something he did in college having 0 missed games)

But overall I do worry about his push in the draft. I thought it was a big step forward for him to give Saleh control of the defensive picks and I hope he grows from that because I think the results are positive ones.

I love John Lynch but I would love for a way to bring in a proven GM with Kyle giving up some of his power. Work together but Kyle should admit he hasn't been sharp on that front and let someone else take more control of the draft. Don't want a Baalke/Harbaugh situation of course but I'd love to start hitting on more of our picks in the early rounds and be more mindful of the overall consensus so we're not taking guys like TDP or Cameron Latu long before anyone else would have.

Fair points. What I find nuts is how many high picks they miss on vs how many mid to later picks they hit on. If they hit on 1st rounders like 5th rounders we would be a dynasty. I really don't know how much weight Kyle has with drafting. It sounds like they have a pretty collaborative system and he isn't some bully, but I have never read anything concrete.

Kyle should turn a blind eye on WR and RB and see what the scouts/Lynch come up with lol (for all we know they've tried this already)

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Already 20% of the league is looking for a new HC and there's probably gonna be more. Yet in here we have the same half dozen whiners saying our COTY candidate stinks lol. Ya'll are unserious and insufferable.

personally I don't think you deserve a HC like Kyle. IMO you should be banished to be NY fans.

Kyle's top 10 but he's slowly turning into the class of HC like M.Levey, M.Schottenheimer, D.Green. All good coaches but not "" enough to take your team all the way

First of all I hate stuff like this.

Levy....ok I get that one.

Schottenheimer? He's been to one conference game his whole coaching career and he lost by 17 points to Levy's Bills(ironically with Joe Montana) The guy has a 5-13 playoff record in 21 seasons as an NFL HC. That's 3 LESS playoff wins than Kyle already has...in 9 years as an NFL HC

Green? He's been to two conference games as a HC. He lost to the Falcons the year everyone expected them to win the SB after going 15-1 and then to the Giants by 41 points lol. He's 4-8 in the playoffs in 13 years as an NFL HC. Kyle is 8-4.

If you're going to make comparisons at least make them legitimate. This is why it's hard to take some of you guys seriously. You either don't care of simply have a crazy clouded view of what Kyle actually is.

Originally posted by Ajinsc:

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
I will roll with Kyle any day. When we can keep a competent QB healthy we have been in the playoffs annually and even this year with the bandaid crew we still here. What are we complaining about?

How about always being a bandaid team

It's a problem that does need to be addressed but the scary reality is that our biggest injuries this season have nothing to do with training staff.

Bosa, Warner, Mykel, Purdy - all injuries that are just terrible luck due to field and stepping the wrong way or being tackled awkwardly.

Even Pearsall with his injury was a fluke - diving for a ball and landing on his knee on the sidelines then gets hip dropped to mess up the ankle and likely not do much good to the PCL as well.

The injuries that can be improved upon would've saved us Kittle - hamstring, Trent - hamstring, Cowing, Watkins...etc we had a lot of damn hamstrings this year.

Bunch of calf injuries as well.

But the fact that those impact injuries couldn't be helped just shows how crazy our luck is. Seriously...are we cursed?

Originally posted by DrEll:
McVay IS a better coach than Kyle Shanahan. That's not even a debate…

Ah yes...look at all this evidence you're brought to the conversation. As always riveting stuff from you.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
this guys start every press conference with a laundry list of the latest players that are injured. and usually including at least one a week that will be out for the year.

all our answers to all our problems lie right there. until that changes they wont win the big game.

Starts with talent acquisition and unfortunately Kyle and lynch haven't had issues with taking a chance on oft injured players over the 9 years here

If we're going to have serious conversations about issues with Kyle it's talent acquisition IMO.

I don't think the issue is drafting injury concern players(at least at this point). It was a problem for a bit for sure - Foster(on top of his off the field stuff), Deebo, Hurd, Kinlaw and a few others I can't think of right now. Some worked out like Deebo and some were major whiffs.

I think the last few drafts they've made a concerned effort to target guys who haven't missed a lot of time or if they got injured they showed their toughness in playing through those injuries like Mykel.

The bigger issue and I hope and pray it gets addressed in the offseason somehow is our training staff. Too many hamstring, groin and other soft tissue injuries. I don't know what needs to be done, it's above my knowledge level but SOMETHING has to be done.

But I do want to talk about the talent acquisition in general. That is my biggest concern with Kyle and I've brought it up before. I worry about when he falls in love with certain players and the rest of the front office may not share that love. We may never know of course when those situations come up...but we have some examples that I think are easy to figure out.

Joe Williams - we had the guy off the draft board. Suddenly Kyle wants him and not only do we draft him, we trade up for him. Guy was a complete nothing.
CJ Beathard - he's still out there as a backup I believe so not a total whiff but another guy Kyle identified as wanting and we trade up into the bottom of the 3rd to grab him so Kyle could sleep better. Bad...

We'll likely never know who really pushed for Trey Lance to be the guy but I find it hard to believe that Shanahan if he's able to make moves like the two above wouldn't get HIS guy. Which makes me scared because we all know Brock Purdy wasn't a guy Kyle pushed for. Those later picks are not usually HC favorites. He may like them but they're going late for a reason. We've clearly seen if Kyle wants someone draft board and predictions be damned. We're getting his guys.

I think Dante Pettis, Jalen Hurd were also Kyle's guys. Hard to know what Hurd would've become since he did look good in camp and that first preseason game but...we all know how that career went down.

Obviously it's not all bad from Kyle - Deebo and Aiyuk despite how those situations ended were very talented and great players for us. And really WR is probably the one position I'd give Kyle approval to push for...even if he hates their guts as rookies lol. Even Ricky looks pretty good if he can just avoid injury(which to be fair was something he did in college having 0 missed games)

But overall I do worry about his push in the draft. I thought it was a big step forward for him to give Saleh control of the defensive picks and I hope he grows from that because I think the results are positive ones.

I love John Lynch but I would love for a way to bring in a proven GM with Kyle giving up some of his power. Work together but Kyle should admit he hasn't been sharp on that front and let someone else take more control of the draft. Don't want a Baalke/Harbaugh situation of course but I'd love to start hitting on more of our picks in the early rounds and be more mindful of the overall consensus so we're not taking guys like TDP or Cameron Latu long before anyone else would have.

Fair points. What I find nuts is how many high picks they miss on vs how many mid to later picks they hit on. If they hit on 1st rounders like 5th rounders we would be a dynasty. I really don't know how much weight Kyle has with drafting. It sounds like they have a pretty collaborative system and he isn't some bully, but I have never read anything concrete.

Kyle should turn a blind eye on WR and RB and see what the scouts/Lynch come up with lol (for all we know they've tried this already)

I wouldn't mind Kyle calling the shots at WR. I think he's gotten more right than not(after I think learning his lesson with Pettis to make sure they're all in love with the game vs cats and soccer) but RBs we need to strap Kyle into his chair if he's calling for a RB to be drafted in the first 3 rounds who isn't the second coming of CMC or Barry Sanders.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
How's it feel to b***h to strangers on the internet and have zero effect on what you're b***hing about?

Hahaha

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
McVay IS a better coach than Kyle Shanahan. That's not even a debate…

Ah yes...look at all this evidence you're brought to the conversation. As always riveting stuff from you.

I suspect your tune will change in about a month from now.

.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
McVay IS a better coach than Kyle Shanahan. That's not even a debate…

Ah yes...look at all this evidence you're brought to the conversation. As always riveting stuff from you.

I suspect your tune will change in about a month from now.

your obsession with Kyle is one thing. what I don't get is you consistently pulling down your pants and bending over for the LA Rams and their coach. Embarrassing behavior for a so called 49ers fan. Has your blue and yellow jersey arrived in the mail yet?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Already 20% of the league is looking for a new HC and there's probably gonna be more. Yet in here we have the same half dozen whiners saying our COTY candidate stinks lol. Ya'll are unserious and insufferable.

personally I don't think you deserve a HC like Kyle. IMO you should be banished to be NY fans.

Kyle's top 10 but he's slowly turning into the class of HC like M.Levey, M.Schottenheimer, D.Green. All good coaches but not "" enough to take your team all the way

First of all I hate stuff like this.

Levy....ok I get that one.

Schottenheimer? He's been to one conference game his whole coaching career and he lost by 17 points to Levy's Bills(ironically with Joe Montana) The guy has a 5-13 playoff record in 21 seasons as an NFL HC. That's 3 LESS playoff wins than Kyle already has...in 9 years as an NFL HC

Green? He's been to two conference games as a HC. He lost to the Falcons the year everyone expected them to win the SB after going 15-1 and then to the Giants by 41 points lol. He's 4-8 in the playoffs in 13 years as an NFL HC. Kyle is 8-4.

If you're going to make comparisons at least make them legitimate. This is why it's hard to take some of you guys seriously. You either don't care of simply have a crazy clouded view of what Kyle actually is.

Dan Reeves?

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
McVay IS a better coach than Kyle Shanahan. That's not even a debate…

Ah yes...look at all this evidence you're brought to the conversation. As always riveting stuff from you.

I suspect your tune will change in about a month from now.

your obsession with Kyle is one thing. what I don't get is you consistently pulling down your pants and bending over for the LA Rams and their coach. Embarrassing behavior for a so called 49ers fan. Has your blue and yellow jersey arrived in the mail yet?

Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Already 20% of the league is looking for a new HC and there's probably gonna be more. Yet in here we have the same half dozen whiners saying our COTY candidate stinks lol. Ya'll are unserious and insufferable.

personally I don't think you deserve a HC like Kyle. IMO you should be banished to be NY fans.

Kyle's top 10 but he's slowly turning into the class of HC like M.Levey, M.Schottenheimer, D.Green. All good coaches but not "" enough to take your team all the way

First of all I hate stuff like this.

Levy....ok I get that one.

Schottenheimer? He's been to one conference game his whole coaching career and he lost by 17 points to Levy's Bills(ironically with Joe Montana) The guy has a 5-13 playoff record in 21 seasons as an NFL HC. That's 3 LESS playoff wins than Kyle already has...in 9 years as an NFL HC

Green? He's been to two conference games as a HC. He lost to the Falcons the year everyone expected them to win the SB after going 15-1 and then to the Giants by 41 points lol. He's 4-8 in the playoffs in 13 years as an NFL HC. Kyle is 8-4.

If you're going to make comparisons at least make them legitimate. This is why it's hard to take some of you guys seriously. You either don't care of simply have a crazy clouded view of what Kyle actually is.

Dan Reeves?

For now that's more accurate than those he made even though Kyle already has more playoff wins than Dan had with his whole time in Denver...with John Elway.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Nah. I don't like or support the Rams. But I do respect them. What McVay has done for that franchise even with a mini rebuild is remarkable. It's a good blueprint to follow. You guys get upset bc he is what we wanted Shanahan to be. So it irks you guys when he's successful while Kyle puts up 3 points in the biggest game if the season.

Cue the excuses in 3….2….1…

McVay has never put up 3 points in the biggest game of the season. Why hes so amazing.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
McVay IS a better coach than Kyle Shanahan. That's not even a debate…

Ah yes...look at all this evidence you're brought to the conversation. As always riveting stuff from you.

I suspect your tune will change in about a month from now.

Here is the difference. I respect Sean McVay and think he's right up there with Kyle Shanahan but him winning with arguably the healthiest and most talented team(in large part to having the best QB in the playoffs) won't move me like it apparently does for you.

They're playing a piss poor excuse for a playoff squad in the wild card and likely get to avoid Seattle in the divisional round. We'll see how it ends for them.

Now if Matt Stafford gets injured early in the playoffs and Jimmy G has to take over and they win the SB, then I'll be impressed.

That's the difference between you and me. I actually care about the details. You just check the box score results and make your analysis off that.