49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Sark learned Shanny's playbook, terminolgy opposed to implementing his own. They really don't do things that much differently it's just you have an inferior guy running the system.

Originally posted by Joecool:

Looks like Kyle just jumped off of Team Tank.

Tank Carradine?

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Last year was just an aberration for Matt Ryan. He's just returned to who he's always been. This year is on par with his career average. Not even sure if you can blame it on losing Shanahan since he didn't play any better his first year under Shanahan.

Well he won the MVP with Shanahan as his OC.

Yeah, that would never happen first year in the WCO. I hope 9er fans temper expectations for Jimmy G Spot for next year as well.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Last year was just an aberration for Matt Ryan. He's just returned to who he's always been. This year is on par with his career average. Not even sure if you can blame it on losing Shanahan since he didn't play any better his first year under Shanahan.

Well he won the MVP with Shanahan as his OC.

And his QB coach was Matt LaFleur who is the OC in LA were Goff has 20 TDs and 6 INTs.

Originally posted by Jcool:

And his QB coach was Matt LaFleur who is the OC in LA were Goff has 20 TDs and 6 INTs.

Where he has McVay calling the offense and calling out all the protections for Goff. Great playcalling makes a tremendous difference.

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Sark learned Shanny's playbook, terminolgy opposed to implementing his own. They really don't do things that much differently it's just you have an inferior guy running the system.

This.

Playcalling is a skill like anything else. You can learn a playbook top to bottom and still not be able to apply it well.


Some guys are better at playing chess than others. Sark isn't great at it.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by tjd808185:

Sark learned Shanny's playbook, terminolgy opposed to implementing his own. They really don't do things that much differently it's just you have an inferior guy running the system.

This.

Playcalling is a skill like anything else. You can learn a playbook top to bottom and still not be able to apply it well.


Some guys are better at playing chess than others. Sark isn't great at it.

Kyle's dad is a perfect example of it working out great. When he came to us in 1992, our playbook didn't change substantially. It was still rooted in Bill's book with any tweaks Holmgren had made. I'm sure Mike made tweaks (we seemed to detach the TE more especially '94 and would go empty with motion quite a bit more than in the past). When Mike went to Denver adapted it even more(5 wide gun was one thing he did with Denver that never appeared with us here).

Originally posted by Niners816:

Kyle's dad is a perfect example of it working out great. When he came to us in 1992, our playbook didn't change substantially. It was still rooted in Bill's book with any tweaks Holmgren had made. I'm sure Mike made tweaks (we seemed to detach the TE more especially '94 and would go empty with motion quite a bit more than in the past). When Mike went to Denver adapted it even more(5 wide gun was one thing he did with Denver that never appeared with us here).

You also got to remember Sark is coming from college and has 1 year of pro experience under his belt. You're going from a Jedi master of running his offense to a guy who's finding his way. You wouldn't think you'd see this drop off with Matty Ice at the helm but it's there.

Totally subjective, but Kyle stacks up favorably here:

https://www.headcoachranking.com/

Not sure how you figure this in but to be fair and relevant, somehow the tools you were given to start with should play a big part in the rating. Most likely why Kyle is rated as high as he is, top 1/3, because the doo-doo he was given for talent was, well, incomprehensible bad...and as it turns out, the draft + FA for the first yr, now 3/4 done, has been a smashing success with winners all across the board and at different rounds. Top 3 look pretty darn good, TT later, garçon in FA, Adrian in 7th...i mean to rank a HC you have to look at how he coached...all facets of it. But it would be silly to say a HC is based on coaching only. He also has to be an astute grader of talent, as well as a guy who can coach up that talent. With Kyle it is QB, RB, TE, WR, OL...not so much on D, but he knows value there (Reuben and Solomon), and he can coach up the talent he very carefully picked out. That is part of HC also. We all knew him for his clever play calling and game mgmt. But his valuation of talent at the O slots is just as remarkable and the guy can coach all of them up besides. That is a goodly part of his remarkable upper 1/3 ranking, or # 12 or so overall. Sounds impossible for a guy with 2 Ws with 4 games remaining to play...but if the foo schitz , wear it.

Originally posted by FL9er:

Totally subjective, but Kyle stacks up favorably here:

https://www.headcoachranking.com/

Not as favorably as McVay.

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by FL9er:
Totally subjective, but Kyle stacks up favorably here:

https://www.headcoachranking.com/

Not as favorably as McVay.

Rams have quite a bit more to work with. They've had Goff, Gurley, Watkins. We've had Beathard, Hyde, Goodwin.

Originally posted by jrg:

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:

Originally posted by FL9er:

Totally subjective, but Kyle stacks up favorably here:

https://www.headcoachranking.com/

Not as favorably as McVay.

Rams have quite a bit more to work with. They've had Goff, Gurley, Watkins. We've had Beathard, Hyde, Goodwin.

Take that up with the people that created the rankings. I don't know how they're calculated. It's not purely by wins, because they have Pete Carrol and Ron Rivera in the 20s.

Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Take that up with the people that created the rankings. I don't know how they're calculated. It's not purely by wins, because they have Pete Carrol and Ron Rivera in the 20s.

so i guess mcvay and shanahan are better head coaches than carroll

Originally posted by jrg:

Rams have quite a bit more to work with. They've had Goff, Gurley, Watkins. We've had Beathard, Hyde, Goodwin.

Dont forget Kupp and Woods...OL who has been starting together since week 1 i believe.