49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
No one questions his offensive playcalling. It's his overall coaching of the team in general that irks fans. Take a step back and look at the team. Awesome offense but missing a number one receiver because Kyle pushed to pay a guy that didn't want to be here. No pass rush bc we didnt think guys like Buckner or Armstead were worth the money. Stuck with Moody when he should never have been drafted. This is all part of the job as a HEAD COACH. He'll have his offense steamrolling into the post season but we can't expect Morstead to not punt until September 2026. What happens then ? You don't think the lack of pass rush and mid LB/corner play will cost us at some point ? Do you think it was a safe strategy going into the season so top heavy on defense that losing 2 players pretty much shut one entire unit on the team down?

Cant keep finding excuses every year as to why the team sucks. If they don't win it this year, the masses will come out and blame injuries. Well that was the excuse in 2024. Oh, and that was the excuse in 2023 bc Greenlaw went down (of course we decided that Al-Shair was a commodity not needed the year before). Oh in 2022, it was injuries bc Brock got hurt. And the years before that, it was bc Jimmy G wasn't good enough.

All of these issues stem from player choices made by the head coach. Kyle kept JimmyG around and drafted Trey. Kyle gets to be part of decisions on who we keep and resign during the offseason. And if the team falters, you have to go back and wonder why we're not deep enough on the roster to make up for lost players. Lose Buckner for Kinlaw ? Lose Al Shair for Bethune ? Lose Ward x 2 for Brown and Green ?

Lol. The hyperbole can kill legitimate arguments you might have.

Your complaints are really more centered around FO decision making… where Kyle obviously has a role… but it isn't coaching.

I don't disagree with some of the things you say, but I think your criticism is pointed in the wrong direction. Recognize what we actually have that's good.

What we have is good, but it's incomplete. We win a SB and the discussion is moot. Until we do, can't keep circling around the "well if this didn't happen we would win a SB". You're never going to have a perfect season. No team wins a SB without some type of adversity. Didn't Mahomes win a SB a couple years ago with a high ankle sprain ?

Originally posted by DrEll:
What we have is good, but it's incomplete. We win a SB and the discussion is moot. Until we do, can't keep circling around the "well if this didn't happen we would win a SB". You're never going to have a perfect season. No team wins a SB without some type of adversity. Didn't Mahomes win a SB a couple years ago with a high ankle sprain ?

I'm just not sure what this has to do with my post.

Like I said, I can agree with some of what you are saying. I question your target of the criticism.

Originally posted by DrEll:
No one questions his offensive playcalling. It's his overall coaching of the team in general that irks fans. Take a step back and look at the team. Awesome offense but missing a number one receiver because Kyle pushed to pay a guy that didn't want to be here. No pass rush bc we didnt think guys like Buckner or Armstead were worth the money. Stuck with Moody when he should never have been drafted. This is all part of the job as a HEAD COACH. He'll have his offense steamrolling into the post season but we can't expect Morstead to not punt until September 2026. What happens then ? You don't think the lack of pass rush and mid LB/corner play will cost us at some point ? Do you think it was a safe strategy going into the season so top heavy on defense that losing 2 players pretty much shut one entire unit on the team down?

Cant keep finding excuses every year as to why the team sucks. If they don't win it this year, the masses will come out and blame injuries. Well that was the excuse in 2024. Oh, and that was the excuse in 2023 bc Greenlaw went down (of course we decided that Al-Shair was a commodity not needed the year before). Oh in 2022, it was injuries bc Brock got hurt. And the years before that, it was bc Jimmy G wasn't good enough.

All of these issues stem from player choices made by the head coach. Kyle kept JimmyG around and drafted Trey. Kyle gets to be part of decisions on who we keep and resign during the offseason. And if the team falters, you have to go back and wonder why we're not deep enough on the roster to make up for lost players. Lose Buckner for Kinlaw ? Lose Al Shair for Bethune ? Lose Ward x 2 for Brown and Green ?

So you wanted to keep everyone except BA. No hindsight detected here lol. Are you one of the same fans who think we should've moved on from Kittle, CMC, Trent, Juice and Brock? Surely you're not one of those guys who kept complaining we were spending cap space on old players.

Everyone makes bad decisions but it's how you recover from those bad decisions that define you. Sitting at 11-4 makes me think he's doing just fine.

just look what injuries have done to the Colts, Chiefs, Ravens this year. All of them are likely to miss the playoffs. Can you honestly sit here and tell me the Rams would be where they are today if they had to play without Stafford for 8 games? And missing Jared Verse and their best LB? Hell no.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
What we have is good, but it's incomplete. We win a SB and the discussion is moot. Until we do, can't keep circling around the "well if this didn't happen we would win a SB". You're never going to have a perfect season. No team wins a SB without some type of adversity. Didn't Mahomes win a SB a couple years ago with a high ankle sprain ?

I'm just not sure what this has to do with my post.

Like I said, I can agree with some of what you are saying. I question your target of the criticism.

Target is Kyle Shanahan. You guys think he has a lot less power when it comes to players and roster makeup. I think he has a lot more power. If he can push the front office to resign BA, he can certainly push them to keep guys like Al-Shair and Buckner around. If much rather invest in home grown talent that is playing well then shell out millions to guys like Hargrave who just eat into the salary cap without offering much. You think if we had Greenlaw or Al Shair around maybe the defense looks better ? Maybe instead of using a 3rd round pick in Moody we draft a lineman that in year 3 could have been a staple on this team ?

this is Shanahan's team, can't keep using excuses everything that happens has nothing to do with his decisions on or off season…

Originally posted by miked1978:

Originally posted by DrEll:
No one questions his offensive playcalling. It's his overall coaching of the team in general that irks fans. Take a step back and look at the team. Awesome offense but missing a number one receiver because Kyle pushed to pay a guy that didn't want to be here. No pass rush bc we didnt think guys like Buckner or Armstead were worth the money. Stuck with Moody when he should never have been drafted. This is all part of the job as a HEAD COACH. He'll have his offense steamrolling into the post season but we can't expect Morstead to not punt until September 2026. What happens then ? You don't think the lack of pass rush and mid LB/corner play will cost us at some point ? Do you think it was a safe strategy going into the season so top heavy on defense that losing 2 players pretty much shut one entire unit on the team down?

Cant keep finding excuses every year as to why the team sucks. If they don't win it this year, the masses will come out and blame injuries. Well that was the excuse in 2024. Oh, and that was the excuse in 2023 bc Greenlaw went down (of course we decided that Al-Shair was a commodity not needed the year before). Oh in 2022, it was injuries bc Brock got hurt. And the years before that, it was bc Jimmy G wasn't good enough.

All of these issues stem from player choices made by the head coach. Kyle kept JimmyG around and drafted Trey. Kyle gets to be part of decisions on who we keep and resign during the offseason. And if the team falters, you have to go back and wonder why we're not deep enough on the roster to make up for lost players. Lose Buckner for Kinlaw ? Lose Al Shair for Bethune ? Lose Ward x 2 for Brown and Green ?

So you wanted to keep everyone except BA. No hindsight detected here lol. Are you one of the same fans who think we should've moved on from Kittle, CMC, Trent, Juice and Brock? Surely you're not one of those guys who kept complaining we were spending cap space on old players.

Everyone makes bad decisions but it's how you recover from those bad decisions that define you. Sitting at 11-4 makes me think he's doing just fine.

just look what injuries have done to the Colts, Chiefs, Ravens this year. All of them are likely to miss the playoffs. Can you honestly sit here and tell me the Rams would be where they are today if they had to play without Stafford for 8 games? And missing Jared Verse and their best LB? Hell no.

I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl felt we need to find a way to keep Greenlaw. The Niners played with fire letting him test the free market. A lot of ppl were against losing guys like Buckner and Al Shair. A lot of ppl were against letting Laken Tomlinson go.

Cant keep everyone but letting good talent walk even if it's depth. Of course its hindsight it's just brought to light bc everyone knows the 49ers are top heavy. You lose CMC and this team is probably not even playoff worthy.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Target is Kyle Shanahan. You guys think he has a lot less power when it comes to players and roster makeup. I think he has a lot more power. If he can push the front office to resign BA, he can certainly push them to keep guys like Al-Shair and Buckner around. If much rather invest in home grown talent that is playing well then shell out millions to guys like Hargrave who just eat into the salary cap without offering much. You think if we had Greenlaw or Al Shair around maybe the defense looks better ? Maybe instead of using a 3rd round pick in Moody we draft a lineman that in year 3 could have been a staple on this team ?

this is Shanahan's team, can't keep using excuses everything that happens has nothing to do with his decisions on or off season…

I don't think Shanahan didn't have power (prior to the Aiyuk deal especially). I fully understand that he did.

Why did he gain that power as a first time HC?

Originally posted by DrEll:
I'm pretty sure a lot of ppl felt we need to find a way to keep Greenlaw. The Niners played with fire letting him test the free market. A lot of ppl were against losing guys like Buckner and Al Shair. A lot of ppl were against letting Laken Tomlinson go.

Cant keep everyone but letting good talent walk even if it's depth. Of course its hindsight it's just brought to light bc everyone knows the 49ers are top heavy. You lose CMC and this team is probably not even playoff worthy.

Greenlaw didn't want to be Pippen to Fred's Jordan

But he wanted to be a captain, as Early said. And Early, the man who'd watched a wild 15-year-old boy grow into a self-assured man, encouraged Greenlaw to spread his wings.

"Hey, man, you stay in San Francisco, you're Scottie Pippen," Early recalled telling Greenlaw. "And Fred Warner is MJ."

"Go be frickin' MJ."

https://archive.ph/6gMLo

Al Shair didn't want to be Horace Grant either.

Reason they moved Buckner was they were paying Jimmy too much and felt it was better to keep two FAs in Arik and Ward vs just one in Buckner.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Al Shair didn't want to be Horace Grant either.

Reason they moved Buckner was they were paying Jimmy too much and felt it was better to keep two FAs in Arik and Ward vs just one in Buckner.

To me, the biggest issue with the Buckner move was that they drafted a disappointing player to replace him with a 1st round pick.

DrEll, why don't you go to RamsWebzone and enjoy the season of your team with your friends.
"I've been a 49ers fan since the seventies. True fans don't settle for anything less than Superbowl victories duh.".
Yeah, you and the others are just f**king lame. The Niners had a hell of a game yesterday and here we are talking about bad draft picks, bad free agents signings or departures as if every teams in the league except the Niners were perfect in the draft or the FA.
Kyle Shanahan has changed everything for this Franchise and you have to be an absolute moron to not see it.

Originally posted by pdc20:
DrEll, why don't you go to RamsWebzone and enjoy the season of your team with your friends.
"I've been a 49ers fan since the seventies. True fans don't settle for anything less than Superbowl victories duh.".
Yeah, you and the others are just f**king lame. The Niners had a hell of a game yesterday and here we are talking about bad draft picks, bad free agents signings or departures as if every teams in the league except the Niners were perfect in the draft or the FA.
Kyle Shanahan has changed everything for this Franchise and you have to be an absolute moron to not see it.

It's a broken record of b******t. Whinefest because it's all they know how to do 😭

11-4 with zero pro bowlers on defense is impressive.

Originally posted by riverrunzthruit:
I think Saleh is coach of the year, with what he has done with these young players and midseason additions

Kyle

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
To me, the biggest issue with the Buckner move was that they drafted a disappointing player to replace him with a 1st round pick.

100%

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Al Shair didn't want to be Horace Grant either.

Reason they moved Buckner was they were paying Jimmy too much and felt it was better to keep two FAs in Arik and Ward vs just one in Buckner.

To me, the biggest issue with the Buckner move was that they drafted a disappointing player to replace him with a 1st round pick.

That's part of it. The odds of finding a player as good or as consistent as Buckner with that pick were pretty low though.