49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9moon:
ACTUALLY... the Giants out coached both 49ers and the Bills the year they won their 2nd Super Bowl... they knew they needed to slow down the game and keep it close because we and the Bills were not going to be patient enough if we don't score often...

to make a long story short... YES, THE GAME PLANNING COUNTS A LOT AND SHANNY'S YET TO LEARN THAT..

by the way... The Bengals (2nd Super Bowl) was a better team than us... they just did not have the better coach..

Roger Craig fumbled and gave the game away. We had that NFCCG won. I wouldn't say we got out coached

Originally posted by Silky:
Hmmm Marv Levy is pretty well regarded and respected by analysts and fans alike. I'm sure Bills fans are super sad they lost 4 straight, but don't regret hiring him. There's a lot of happiness even during losing seasons sometimes.

Take this year for example. I'm super happy today....at this very moment. The Niners gave me a lot of hell yeas this year. It has not been a miserable season. I don't think we're good enough for a SB because of the injuries, but I can still feel joy in the moment. Maybe the Niners can capture lightning in a bottle and win it all. Who knows. But I won't be miserable and be a pout pout fish like some of our fans here who simply cannot enjoy life

This is a great post and this is why the lazy narrative by some here of "people celebrating 2nd place" is so ridiculously stupid.

The idea that you can't enjoy the season unless you win the SB is just so obnoxious. The reality is only one fanbase will get to celebrate the ultimate prize at the end.

After that there are various levels of fandom.

The teams who are miserable during the season and may be rooting for their team to lose to better their draft pick at the end of the season.
The teams who are mediocre enough where they can't even enjoy the thought of a playoff possibility and don't get to fantasize about adding a franchise changing prospect in that upcoming draft.
The teams who are fighting for the playoffs but just fall short.
The teams who make the playoffs but don't see their team make the SB. When those two weeks prior to the SB are happening they have 0 hope of winning it all.
The two teams who make the SB. Those fanbases are the only two left who can actually say we may be SB champs this season.

I will take being in that last group EVERY season. Even if you told me our odds to actually win were 10%. Cuz for the fans of 30 other teams. Those odds are 0%.

No matter how much heartbreak you get losing that final game I have a hell of a lot more fun in those seasons than I did in 2016 or 2004.

Yes it SUCKS to lose that game and have that hope burst. It's awful to go that far and come away empty but I'm not changing it for any of those other options because the ride there was so great and just hope the next run like that we finish with the win.

Originally posted by Afrikan:
The same was said here (maybe by you with an older username) about Mike Nolan... about Dingleberry.. and Erickson... about Tomsula.

Yeah Kyle knew to recieve in OT at the Super Bowl right? He's so smart and perfect right? Forcing Jimmy G upon us until he lucked into Brock. Would have Kirk Cousins over as well, if he had it his way.

Yall are giving more energy to call out Kyle's BS, thank you.

I'm sorry what are you babbling about?

There is something called a track record. Look into it.

Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Roger Craig fumbled and gave the game away. We had that NFCCG won. I wouldn't say we got out coached

This.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Silky:
This thread has so many things that make me scratch my head. Why are we comparing Kyle to Singletary, Nolan, Erickson, and Tomsula? Are we serious right now. I'd take 100 lost SBs then to ever see those guys coach the Niners again.

And still upset about the OT decision? There actually is no wrong decision there. If you take the ball, you have to score a TD. If you don't, you f'd up. But the original decision is not wrong. If you elect to kick it away, you need to stop them or hold them to a FG. If you give up a TD, you f'd up. But the initial decision is not wrong. People who believe in right and wrong, especially given a scenario where both teams get the ball anyway, are just scared fans. Scared of what ifs. The OT thing is much more simpler than that. You can scrutinize why we got 3pts instead of 7 or 8 all you want. The Niners are responsible, not the OT rules.

And the Jimmy slander is getting out of control. He had his limitations for sure, but he had some clutch throws and moments for us. Not gonna get into it too much, but it's like people clump him into the Brian Hoyer category when in reality he was much, much better than that. Jimmy played in a SB and a couple NFCCGs. Was he always his best? No. But you simply cannot be a scrub and lead a team that far.

And the original point about Watkins...let him sit. Kyle sees him every day and hears reports about him. You don't think he wants to add a wrinkle and throw a burner in the offense? He's simply not ready. Coaches can tell. It's ok to criticize the draft pick if it takes Jordan forever to become ready. But I trust the decision to not play him yet if he's not ready.

Maybe I'm wrong about everything and taking crazy pills. This forum has reached new heights in its haterism

Kicking the ball puts you at a strategic advantage. Doesn't mean you will win, but it is the right choice if you want the strategic advantage

Sure there's two perfect decisions and two perfect scenarios. You kick the ball off and then stop them for 0 pts. Perfect scenario. You receive and score 8 points. Perfect scenario. It's more about making reality happen. I didn't mind the decision to receive as long as we capitalized on it. Which we did not

Originally posted by Afrikan:
You call that blunder in OT a "mistake"? Just a mistake?

The problem with Kyle is, he is untouchable... he answers to no one. Jed is scared s**t less he might lose him after f**king up the Harbaugh relationship. The media have no f**king spines. (I know some of them might be reading this right now, Hi and f**k YOU!).

I'm not perfect. It's ok to make mistakes, if you learn from them. Kyle is a narcissist. He doesn't have it in him to accept he's made mistakes. He has his Alcohol to help him stay in denial.

What you're not going to do is throw out accusations like this like they're factual.

Your post is filled with stuff you're throwing out there like they're facts when they're simply opinions.

And what is the blunder in OT? Please do enlighten us. I'm sure it will be brand new information and something we haven't talked about before until now.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
You call that blunder in OT a "mistake"? Just a mistake?

The problem with Kyle is, he is untouchable... he answers to no one. Jed is scared s**t less he might lose him after f**king up the Harbaugh relationship. The media have no f**king spines. (I know some of them might be reading this right now, Hi and f**k YOU!).

I'm not perfect. It's ok to make mistakes, if you learn from them. Kyle is a narcissist. He doesn't have it in him to accept he's made mistakes. He has his Alcohol to help him stay in denial.

What you're not going to do is throw out accusations like this like they're factual.

Your post is filled with stuff you're throwing out there like they're facts when they're simply opinions.

And what is the blunder in OT? Please do enlighten us. I'm sure it will be brand new information and something we haven't talked about before until now.

Kyle isn't some 4 Star General during wartime. The alcohol thing was too much. This is football, not real life. I think he is smart enough to know his own faults and mistakes, but he won't let you know it.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
Marquez Valdes-Scantling couldn't "practice" his way in front of others for us, but he and his speed just made a huge TD catch for the Steelers to help keep their playoff hopes alive.

We have a better record than the Steelers.

Why does everyone on this site worship every other team in an effort to bash our own? It's so strange. Even saw some ****-sucking for the Cowboys the past few weeks and THEY HAVE A LOSING RECORD.

I'm not worshipping them... I pointing out how they some how are finding a way to use him (in his first game for them I believe), yet we couldn't keep him and find a way to use him for big plays here or there?

This of course relates to Kyle's comments on Watkins.

I just feel we should be ready come playoff time...be versatile with our personnel....able to adjust to what playoff defenses do to us, ESPECIALLY with us going into the playoffs without Deebo or Aiyuk for the first time.

I don't feel a bunch of Jennings, Bournes, Robinsons will be enough.

Wrong again..shocking. Almost like you love to make over the top statements based on opinions you have that aren't actually rooted in reality.

How about you check something like that?

Second...quick how many games has Aaron Rodgers and MVS play together?

49ers signed MVS after preseason cuts because they were decimated at WR. He's a veteran. Watkins is a rookie who was the last pick in the 4th round. MVS is able to reunite with a long time QB of his and after a month+ on the roster he made 1 catch, which just happened to be for a TD and you're acting like the 49ers made a mistake to let him go or that Shanhan doesn't know what he's doing.

Shanahan despite what you believe knows what he's doing when it comes to his offense. Rookie WRs tend to get this type of treatment from him because his offense requires a lot of them, from the timing of their routes, the blocking, the ability to know where you're supposed to line up, etc.

If anything Watkins' is being held back because of Sky Moore. We'll see if Jacob Cowing will be activated in any game to add the speed factor.

Originally posted by Afrikan:

Originally posted by swoosh6996:

Originally posted by Afrikan:
You call that blunder in OT a "mistake"? Just a mistake?

The problem with Kyle is, he is untouchable... he answers to no one. Jed is scared s**t less he might lose him after f**king up the Harbaugh relationship. The media have no f**king spines. (I know some of them might be reading this right now, Hi and f**k YOU!).

I'm not perfect. It's ok to make mistakes, if you learn from them. Kyle is a narcissist. He doesn't have it in him to accept he's made mistakes. He has his Alcohol to help him stay in denial.

How is Kyle a narcissist?

Would you say he has any faults? As a Coach, as a person? If so, can you list some?

Do you know what narcissism means? If so why are you asking swoosh for Kyle's flaws?

Answer the question.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Kicking the ball puts you at a strategic advantage. Doesn't mean you will win, but it is the right choice if you want the strategic advantage

We're not doing this again. We spent months talking about that decision.

Reality is the decision wasn't wrong. The execution was the issue. Analytics and that specific game situation says the decision wasn't anything to b***h about and yet here we are...

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:
McDermott will be fired within the next 2 seasons guaranteed if the Bills don't win it. Their fans aren't as fickle as ours, celebrating 2nd place trophies as crowning achievements.

Ok. Give me one example of someone celebrating losing the SB as a crowning achievement. I'm tired of you spamming the board with this garbage. If you can find it then you can keep going.

If you can't then you take a break. How's that sound?

DrEll,

I'm still waiting.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by Silky:

This thread has so many things that make me scratch my head. Why are we comparing Kyle to Singletary, Nolan, Erickson, and Tomsula? Are we serious right now. I'd take 100 lost SBs then to ever see those guys coach the Niners again.

And still upset about the OT decision? There actually is no wrong decision there. If you take the ball, you have to score a TD. If you don't, you f'd up. But the original decision is not wrong. If you elect to kick it away, you need to stop them or hold them to a FG. If you give up a TD, you f'd up. But the initial decision is not wrong. People who believe in right and wrong, especially given a scenario where both teams get the ball anyway, are just scared fans. Scared of what ifs. The OT thing is much more simpler than that. You can scrutinize why we got 3pts instead of 7 or 8 all you want. The Niners are responsible, not the OT rules.

And the Jimmy slander is getting out of control. He had his limitations for sure, but he had some clutch throws and moments for us. Not gonna get into it too much, but it's like people clump him into the Brian Hoyer category when in reality he was much, much better than that. Jimmy played in a SB and a couple NFCCGs. Was he always his best? No. But you simply cannot be a scrub and lead a team that far.

And the original point about Watkins...let him sit. Kyle sees him every day and hears reports about him. You don't think he wants to add a wrinkle and throw a burner in the offense? He's simply not ready. Coaches can tell. It's ok to criticize the draft pick if it takes Jordan forever to become ready. But I trust the decision to not play him yet if he's not ready.

Maybe I'm wrong about everything and taking crazy pills. This forum has reached new heights in its haterism

Kicking the ball puts you at a strategic advantage. Doesn't mean you will win, but it is the right choice if you want the strategic advantage

Sure there's two perfect decisions and two perfect scenarios. You kick the ball off and then stop them for 0 pts. Perfect scenario. You receive and score 8 points. Perfect scenario. It's more about making reality happen. I didn't mind the decision to receive as long as we capitalized on it. Which we did not

You still get the strategic advantage if you kick first. If we had already seen the Chiefs TD drive, then we use 4 downs instead of kicking a FG

We threw that advantage away and had to kick the FG without knowing if it's the right choice or not

Originally posted by Silky:
Sure there's two perfect decisions and two perfect scenarios. You kick the ball off and then stop them for 0 pts. Perfect scenario. You receive and score 8 points. Perfect scenario. It's more about making reality happen. I didn't mind the decision to receive as long as we capitalized on it. Which we did not

What the guys bringing up that decision as some cardinal sin fail to acknowledge is analytics had that being a near 50/50 decision and I believe it's actually fractional points in favor of kicking off.

The other part of that is the information Kyle had at THAT time. All of these guys are using the end result to do their analysis. Unfortunately Kyle doesn't have ability to see the future and base his decisions off of that.

Things he knew at the time.
Chiefs hadn't scored a TD in 6 quarters of football when the ball wasn't handed to them inside our 20 yard line.
Our defense spent a lot of time on the field in the 4th quarter and were clearly struggling and needed a moment to get it together.

Those two things alone push to us taking the ball first with obviously the goal being scoring a TD and protecting that lead.

If KC is able to score a TD and kicks the XP, then our offense has a chance to win with a FG. If they go for the 2pt conversion then you have a chance to end it on defense.

Either way there are more pros than cons given how that game unfolded up that point.

As you said...we didn't capitalize on that. Failed to score the wide open TD cuz of Burford and then the defense couldn't hold. Some of the same guys killing Kyle for that, praise McVay for winning his SB when the only difference is McVay's defense held their 3 point lead.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
You still get the strategic advantage if you kick first. If we had already seen the Chiefs TD drive, then we use 4 downs instead of kicking a FG

We threw that advantage away and had to kick the FG without knowing if it's the right choice or not

It's only a strategic advantage if you need it. The defense was getting gashed and couldn't hold a 3 point lead twice in the 4th quarter.

Putting them back out there to start and you're not giving them much of a fighting chance.

That was a mediocre Chiefs offense out there. You're all acting like we were facing the 2018 version.

How about you score a TD and then stop KC from doing the same? We certainly had the opportunity to do that and failed on both sides. It has nothing to do with the decision to take the ball first or kick it.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

You still get the strategic advantage if you kick first. If we had already seen the Chiefs TD drive, then we use 4 downs instead of kicking a FG

We threw that advantage away and had to kick the FG without knowing if it's the right choice or not

It's only a strategic advantage if you need it. The defense was getting gashed and couldn't hold a 3 point lead twice in the 4th quarter.

Putting them back out there to start and you're not giving them much of a fighting chance.

That was a mediocre Chiefs offense out there. You're all acting like we were facing the 2018 version.

How about you score a TD and then stop KC from doing the same? We certainly had the opportunity to do that and failed on both sides. It has nothing to do with the decision to take the ball first or kick it.

Lol you always want the strategic advantage. That's a huge part of what the coach is there to do-put the team at a strategic advantage. Why do you think the Chiefs sideline got excited? We were handing a strategic advantage away