49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by JEP83:
OMG.

Am I the only one who is tired of hearing yall debate about crap for 3-6 years ago.

No, not at all.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Alex was a bad qb imo. Your qb has to be willing to throw past 10 yards more than 1-2 times a game. It's really hard to win with Alex style in the playoffs

It wasn't amazing offensive coaching that got us there with Jimmy. That was just great defense and luck. We will never have a year where we can just run the ball all the way to the SB again. Brock had to ball out and ditch Kyle's plays to get us there. There are no qb shortcomings if Kyle just calls a simple read like Andy. I see how easy Andy makes it for Mahomes, so why shouldn't Kyle be doing the same for our QB?

Lol. There's that common thread again.

There's really no excuse for a lot of his mistakes. Your making millions of dollars and have pretty much unlimited funding to do whatever you want with your staff.

Bad at knowing when to sub a guy out because you don't remember who has carried the ball the last 5 times. Hire a guy to tell you to give mcaffrey a rest.

Bad at challenging plays. Hire a guy to tell you when to challenge.

Bad at making adjustments. Hire a guy to tell you when you need to adjust.

Bad at analyzing a teams weaknesses. Hire a guy to watch all the opponents games and identify weaknesses. Hell hire multiple guys to do this every week.

Bad at deciding when to go for it or punt then hire a guy to tell you when to punt or go for it...

There's no excuse with unlimited funding to make high school level errors in game... Hell half this stuff could be done with AI analyzing the other teams and situations.

Good bosses delegate.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
There's really no excuse for a lot of his mistakes. Your making millions of dollars and have pretty much unlimited funding to do whatever you want with your staff.

Bad at knowing when to sub a guy out because you don't remember who has carried the ball the last 5 times. Hire a guy to tell you to give mcaffrey a rest.

Bad at challenging plays. Hire a guy to tell you when to challenge.

Bad at making adjustments. Hire a guy to tell you when you need to adjust.

Bad at analyzing a teams weaknesses. Hire a guy to watch all the opponents games and identify weaknesses. Hell hire multiple guys to do this every week.

Bad at deciding when to go for it or punt then hire a guy to tell you when to punt or go for it...

There's no excuse with unlimited funding to make high school level errors in game... Hell half this stuff could be done with AI analyzing the other teams and situations.

Good bosses delegate.

You should apply since you're able to see the future on when guys will be fumbling.

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by genus49:
That's the issue ignoring everything outside of who won and who lost.

What did Seifert do after leaving SF? Having Joe Montana and Steve Young with Jerry Rice and no salary cap goes a long way.

As I've mentioned several times in here Shanahan would have a SB win right now playing with the rules Walsh and Seifert had. That FG in OT would've won the game only a few years prior.

So many mistakes in that game that had nothing to do with coaching but player mistakes and you all can't comprehend that if Purdy throws to Aiyuk at the 2 minute mark we win that SB. That if Burford does his job we're at least protecting a TD in OT. If Luter is called off properly or simply isn't hit by the punt or McCloud falls on the ball we likely win the SB. If Greenlaw or Feliciano don't get hurt we win it.

Shanahan had nothing to do with those. No matter how many people in the business praise Kyle you'd rather ignore that and just pretend Kyle lost it all himself as if he's out there playing chess without real humans having to perform on the field.

We can't keep blaming the players when we see how Andy did it in the same game. The 4th down Mahomes keeper and Hardman game winner were great playcalls. They took it to us before we could even react. Kyle just doesn't seem to have that in his bag, and it's a massive reason he doesn't have ring as OC or HC. I guarantee Mahomes doesn't have as many rings trying to execute offense the way Kyle does in crunch time. The difference in that game was literally coaching

Andy runs plays in those situations to hit a specific player and that player usually gets wide open. With Kyle it's like "yea somebody out there ended up being open and they just didn't execute" lol

100% Agreed.

Originally posted by genus49:
You should apply since you're able to see the future on when guys will be fumbling.

It's not even difficult statistics. It's literally the same as calculating probably of a coin flipping heads or tails. Take his historical fumble rate per carry then the last time he fumbled and you can calculate the likelihood of him fumbling in the next x carries. You can make it more and more complicated by adding in more factors like his injury and it the defensive forced fumble rate, first time SB appearance RB fumble rate etc...

Or you can just look at how he had a critical fumble in almost the same situation earlier in the year....

You knew it was high risk to try to have him run it down their throat.

The point is it's basic analytics... Shanahan and staff is paid millions of dollars... Yet they miss on basic stuff.

He's the best at drafting up a play. The roster is decent but in-game it's subpar. Very subpar. The team cannot even effectively manage the clock or run the hurry up... It's 9 years in and we're still screaming at the tv to get to the line and hike the ball when the teams down two scores...

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
It's not even difficult statistics. It's literally the same as calculating probably of a coin flipping heads or tails. Take his historical fumble rate per carry then the last time he fumbled and you can calculate the likelihood of him fumbling in the next x carries. You can make it more and more complicated by adding in more factors like his injury and it the defensive forced fumble rate, first time SB appearance RB fumble rate etc...

Or you can just look at how he had a critical fumble in almost the same situation earlier in the year....

You knew it was high risk to try to have him run it down their throat.

The point is it's basic analytics... Shanahan and staff is paid millions of dollars... Yet they miss on basic stuff.

He's the best at drafting up a play. The roster is decent but in-game it's subpar. Very subpar. The team cannot even effectively manage the clock or run the hurry up... It's 9 years in and we're still screaming at the tv to get to the line and hike the ball when the teams down two scores...

Just for laughs, let's see the calculations you've done.

*I can't get over how dumb this is, lol.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:
You should apply since you're able to see the future on when guys will be fumbling.

It's not even difficult statistics. It's literally the same as calculating probably of a coin flipping heads or tails. Take his historical fumble rate per carry then the last time he fumbled and you can calculate the likelihood of him fumbling in the next x carries. You can make it more and more complicated by adding in more factors like his injury and it the defensive forced fumble rate, first time SB appearance RB fumble rate etc...

Or you can just look at how he had a critical fumble in almost the same situation earlier in the year....

You knew it was high risk to try to have him run it down their throat.

The point is it's basic analytics... Shanahan and staff is paid millions of dollars... Yet they miss on basic stuff.

He's the best at drafting up a play. The roster is decent but in-game it's subpar. Very subpar. The team cannot even effectively manage the clock or run the hurry up... It's 9 years in and we're still screaming at the tv to get to the line and hike the ball when the teams down two scores...

If I flip a fair and normal coin 49 times and every flip comes up heads and then flip it again, the odds of the 50th flip coming up heads are the same as any of the other individual flips (50%). The fact that the prior 49 flips all came up heads has no bearing on the odds of the next flip.

Similarly, if a football player has historically fumbled the ball on 1% of their carries, it doesn't mean that if they go 99 carries without fumbling that they're more likely to fumble on their 100th carry. The odds of them fumbling on their next carry is still 1% regardless of when their last fumble was.

The other factors don't even matter considering every other RB on our team was also in their first Super Bowl and going against the same defense.

Originally posted by 49ersRing:


If I flip a fair and normal coin 49 times and every flip comes up heads and then flip it again, the odds of the 50th flip coming up heads are the same as any of the other individual flips (50%). The fact that the prior 49 flips all came up heads has no bearing on the odds of the next flip.

Similarly, if a football player has historically fumbled the ball on 1% of their carries, it doesn't mean that if they go 99 carries without fumbling that they're more likely to fumble on their 100th carry. The odds of them fumbling on their next carry is still 1% regardless of when their last fumble was.

The other factors don't even matter considering every other RB on our team was also in their first Super Bowl and going against the same defense.

Did you chase this mind numbing crap down a rabbit hole, or was this just a good guess for purposes of the post, lol?

Originally posted by 49ersRing:


If I flip a fair and normal coin 49 times and every flip comes up heads and then flip it again, the odds of the 50th flip coming up heads are the same as any of the other individual flips (50%). The fact that the prior 49 flips all came up heads has no bearing on the odds of the next flip.

Similarly, if a football player has historically fumbled the ball on 1% of their carries, it doesn't mean that if they go 99 carries without fumbling that they're more likely to fumble on their 100th carry. The odds of them fumbling on their next carry is still 1% regardless of when their last fumble was.

The other factors don't even matter considering every other RB on our team was also in their first Super Bowl and going against the same defense.

...and then there is the matter that some players have a higher rate of fumbles than others...

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49ersRing:


If I flip a fair and normal coin 49 times and every flip comes up heads and then flip it again, the odds of the 50th flip coming up heads are the same as any of the other individual flips (50%). The fact that the prior 49 flips all came up heads has no bearing on the odds of the next flip.

Similarly, if a football player has historically fumbled the ball on 1% of their carries, it doesn't mean that if they go 99 carries without fumbling that they're more likely to fumble on their 100th carry. The odds of them fumbling on their next carry is still 1% regardless of when their last fumble was.

The other factors don't even matter considering every other RB on our team was also in their first Super Bowl and going against the same defense.

Did you chase this mind numbing crap down a rabbit hole, or was this just a good guess for purposes of the post, lol?

I have to admit tho, a good handicapper might find a stat like that useful when two teams are too close in strengths

Originally posted by 49ersRing:


If I flip a fair and normal coin 49 times and every flip comes up heads and then flip it again, the odds of the 50th flip coming up heads are the same as any of the other individual flips (50%). The fact that the prior 49 flips all came up heads has no bearing on the odds of the next flip.

Similarly, if a football player has historically fumbled the ball on 1% of their carries, it doesn't mean that if they go 99 carries without fumbling that they're more likely to fumble on their 100th carry. The odds of them fumbling on their next carry is still 1% regardless of when their last fumble was.

The other factors don't even matter considering every other RB on our team was also in their first Super Bowl and going against the same defense.

Haha okay go flip a coin until you get 49 heads in a row then come back and tell us your done...

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Alex was a bad qb imo. Your qb has to be willing to throw past 10 yards more than 1-2 times a game. It's really hard to win with Alex style in the playoffs

It wasn't amazing offensive coaching that got us there with Jimmy. That was just great defense and luck. We will never have a year where we can just run the ball all the way to the SB again. Brock had to ball out and ditch Kyle's plays to get us there. There are no qb shortcomings if Kyle just calls a simple read like Andy. I see how easy Andy makes it for Mahomes, so why shouldn't Kyle be doing the same for our QB?

Lol. There's that common thread again.

I know it hurts, but if Kyle could call a play like this we would be SB champs. Sam Howell could make this throw with his eyes closed



Where's our plays like this when we need them?

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CharlieSheen:
Alex was a bad qb imo. Your qb has to be willing to throw past 10 yards more than 1-2 times a game. It's really hard to win with Alex style in the playoffs

It wasn't amazing offensive coaching that got us there with Jimmy. That was just great defense and luck. We will never have a year where we can just run the ball all the way to the SB again. Brock had to ball out and ditch Kyle's plays to get us there. There are no qb shortcomings if Kyle just calls a simple read like Andy. I see how easy Andy makes it for Mahomes, so why shouldn't Kyle be doing the same for our QB?

Lol. There's that common thread again.

I know it hurts, but if Kyle could call a play like this we would be SB champs. Sam Howell could make this throw with his eyes closed



Where's our plays like this when we need them?

What you fail to understand is that those plays are designed to attack a deficiency in that defensive scheme. Andy Reid wasn't even the guy who spotted it. They talked about it. Doug Pederson got the Eagles with that play. They ran that twice on the Eagles and they didn't adjust.

That's not some "this play will be open no matter what" that is a call for a specific look the Eagles gave them. Shanahan does that all the time.

Also posting up a defense biting for a hard playaction pass like it's some kind of brilliant playcalling just shows you're talking out of your you know what.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:
You should apply since you're able to see the future on when guys will be fumbling.

It's not even difficult statistics. It's literally the same as calculating probably of a coin flipping heads or tails. Take his historical fumble rate per carry then the last time he fumbled and you can calculate the likelihood of him fumbling in the next x carries. You can make it more and more complicated by adding in more factors like his injury and it the defensive forced fumble rate, first time SB appearance RB fumble rate etc...

Or you can just look at how he had a critical fumble in almost the same situation earlier in the year....

You knew it was high risk to try to have him run it down their throat.

The point is it's basic analytics... Shanahan and staff is paid millions of dollars... Yet they miss on basic stuff.

He's the best at drafting up a play. The roster is decent but in-game it's subpar. Very subpar. The team cannot even effectively manage the clock or run the hurry up... It's 9 years in and we're still screaming at the tv to get to the line and hike the ball when the teams down two scores...

There is absolutely nothing behind this comment save insane logic. I can't believe I even have to waste the time getting into it...but here I am.

First the injury wasn't anything serious. It was said had the 49ers needed him to play last week he would have. So he had 2 weeks to recover from injury.

Then the so called AFTER injury game which happens 20 days later
17 rushes 98 yards 2 TD 12 targets 7 receptions 30 yards 0 FUMBLES

Game 28 days post injury
20 rushes 90 yards 2 TDs 5 targets 4 receptions 42 yards 0 FUMBLES

Game 42 days post injury
FUMBLE! CMC's first since week 7 that season.

You: It was clearly going to happen!

Like I said...insane leap of logic.

That's not even talking about your "the playcall to Sanders was stupid cuz it would've been scoring too early" on 3rd and 10 take...