49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

The NFL has so many rules now that it's not surprising that everyone doesn't know them all. Even the officials get confused. It gets even worse when they use differfent rules for the playoffs. Now they use instant replay to determine the outcome of so many plays that it make the games drag out even longer.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Kyle's decision NOT to go for it on both 4th downs (4th and OT) is what cost us the game. Knowing that you're giving the ball back to Mahomes with 1:53 left in the 4th and infinite time in OT is a recipe for disaster, especially when one of your star LBs is out and is replaced with a subpar LB that was getting exposed throughout the second half. Just like the previous SB, Kyle went full turtle and decided to "play not to lose" instead of putting the ball in his best unit's hand and letting them close it out.

Of course his protectors will retort by claiming "well if we didn't make the first then you guys would be crying about why we didn't kick the FG". Well I guess we will never know because Kyle decided Wilks was the best man available to stop Mahomes.

We will never win a SB with Kyle Shanahan as coach. He just doesn't have what it takes when the game is on the line. 0-2

OMG we are not getting into this again.

Mahomes wasn't able to get a single TD drive that whole game where we didn't hand him the ball inside our redzone. Stop with hindsight scouting.

Shanahan dialed up a wide open play on 3rd down that Burford f'd up doing his own thing...but you expect Kyle to go for it again on 4th down and risk giving Mahomes the ball where a FG wins the SB.

You would've been 100% blasting him for that had we gotten stopped and Chiefs got a FG to win. You know it, I know it. It's why you brought it up to brush it away.

Literally all the things you bring up are not Kyle Shanahan issues. You blame him for blowing the 25 point lead vs the Pats as a Falcons OC but all the blame from Wilks goes to Shanahan. You literally cannot have a rational conversation about Shanahan.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL has so many rules now that it's not surprising that everyone doesn't know them all. Even the officials get confused. It gets even worse when they use differfent rules for the playoffs. Now they use instant replay to determine the outcome of so many plays that it make the games drag out even longer.

This. It takes joy out of watching games.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
SB 54-People bring up the Sanders play. But...if he scores a TD, there is over a minute left. Would Kyle, knowing his D was gassed, tell them in advance to go down near the goal line if there is say 90 seconds or so left? But it should have never came to that. I watched the game and was annoyed they stopped running it when they were getting decent yardage on each carry. Unless your QB is elite, you don't allow them to go airing it out.

SB 58-I have a few issues. Not kicking to KC in OT. Doing so allows you to know what is needed on the next offensive possession. It's decreases the likelihood of them using all four downs. Some might say the D is gassed. Well, they were still gassed and it didn't make a difference when KC got the ball. I still believe they did not know that playoff OT differed from the regular season. I can guarantee you that Reid, McVay, Belichick all kick off there.

I'm sorry but this is straight nonsense. This is no different than people who claimed we drafted Solomon Thomas cuz he took a class with Lynch. Just pure delusion and insanity.

EVERY player and coach who has ever worked with Shanahan talks about Kyle's attention to detail. Taking the insane logic leap that he somehow didn't know a major rule changed happened in a season where we were SB favorites vs simply not spending extra time on it preparing for a possibility that may not happen is just nonsense.

First of all we also had players saying Kyle brought it up to them before, whether they were covering up for him or not doesn't change the fact that he knew the rules and made the decision based on how THAT game went. I'm not even going to get into it again since we talked about it for 100s of pages during the offseason but what you can't guarantee is what other coaches would've done because they weren't there.

The goals didn't change - score TD on your drive, stop the other team. At worst players would look stupid celebrating if we scored the opening drive TD.

Didn't Armstead and Juice admit after the Super Bowl that they didn't know, though (or at least didn't know until right before OT started)?

I'm sure Kyle knew the new OT rules before deciding to receive the ball first. It wasn't a good decision with the 20/20 version of hindsight (you make a decision and lose, you simply wonder if the alternative would've led to something different), but at the time he was well-aware of the rules. He just figured a) we could score a TD and force the Chiefs to have to tie just to get to sudden death or go for 2 and b) defense needed some rest.

But Armstead/Juice saying they didn't know in advance is just one of those things that's optically embarrassing and extra salt in the wound, even if it didn't actually make a difference. It shows we weren't as prepared for all possible scenarios as we should've been, for one of the biggest games in franchise history.

Kyle's decision NOT to go for it on both 4th downs (4th and OT) is what cost us the game. Knowing that you're giving the ball back to Mahomes with 1:53 left in the 4th and infinite time in OT is a recipe for disaster, especially when one of your star LBs is out and is replaced with a subpar LB that was getting exposed throughout the second half. Just like the previous SB, Kyle went full turtle and decided to "play not to lose" instead of putting the ball in his best unit's hand and letting them close it out.

Of course his protectors will retort by claiming "well if we didn't make the first then you guys would be crying about why we didn't kick the FG". Well I guess we will never know because Kyle decided Wilks was the best man available to stop Mahomes.

We will never win a SB with Kyle Shanahan as coach. He just doesn't have what it takes when the game is on the line. 0-2

I know Kyle haters hate this reasoning, but i'd rather have an 0-2 coach in SBs than an 0-0 coach. Which a lot of teams have. He'll win one. Hopefully with us

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL has so many rules now that it's not surprising that everyone doesn't know them all. Even the officials get confused. It gets even worse when they use differfent rules for the playoffs. Now they use instant replay to determine the outcome of so many plays that it make the games drag out even longer.

This. It takes joy out of watching games.

I'll admit i'm a fan of the instant replay where they make the bad call good pretty quickly. No dragging out, no commercial breaks....just bam change the play on the field and keep it moving. I've noticed it more and more

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL has so many rules now that it's not surprising that everyone doesn't know them all. Even the officials get confused. It gets even worse when they use differfent rules for the playoffs. Now they use instant replay to determine the outcome of so many plays that it make the games drag out even longer.

This. It takes joy out of watching games.

I'll admit i'm a fan of the instant replay where they make the bad call good pretty quickly. No dragging out, no commercial breaks....just bam change the play on the field and keep it moving. I've noticed it more and more

Just pisses me off that not having that in the Eagles NFCCG changed so much. Just never know what happens with Brock in that game if that call is overturned by the NFL(should've still been done by NY but they claimed they didn't have access to the right angle )

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL has so many rules now that it's not surprising that everyone doesn't know them all. Even the officials get confused. It gets even worse when they use differfent rules for the playoffs. Now they use instant replay to determine the outcome of so many plays that it make the games drag out even longer.

This. It takes joy out of watching games.

I'll admit i'm a fan of the instant replay where they make the bad call good pretty quickly. No dragging out, no commercial breaks....just bam change the play on the field and keep it moving. I've noticed it more and more

Do they really need to review every TD? Even obvious ones. It usually only takes 30 seconds or so but why do it at all? I'm also tired of reviewing so many receptions to see if the ball "wiggled" a little as he hits the ground or stepped out of bounds. If it looks like a catch then it's a catch. It all evens out in the end. They played football for years without replay and it was fine. Yes there were controversial plays but we still have that now. Even after the replays they don't always see the play the way fans do.

Replay was fine when it was first introduced. It was only used for certain plays. Unforunately, like so many things the league keeps expanding the use thinking more is better. I suppose eventually they'll review the coin toss to make sure the official tossed it up the proper way.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL has so many rules now that it's not surprising that everyone doesn't know them all. Even the officials get confused. It gets even worse when they use differfent rules for the playoffs. Now they use instant replay to determine the outcome of so many plays that it make the games drag out even longer.

This. It takes joy out of watching games.

I'll admit i'm a fan of the instant replay where they make the bad call good pretty quickly. No dragging out, no commercial breaks....just bam change the play on the field and keep it moving. I've noticed it more and more

Do they really need to review every TD? Even obvious ones. It usually only takes 30 seconds or so but why do it at all? I'm also tired of reviewing so many receptions to see if the ball "wiggled" a little as he hits the ground or stepped out of bounds. If it looks like a catch then it's a catch. It all evens out in the end. They played football for years without replay and it was fine. Yes there were controversial plays but we still have that now. Even after the replays they don't always see the play the way fans do.

Replay was fine when it was first introduced. It was only used for certain plays. Unforunately, like so many things the league keeps expanding the use thinking more is better. I suppose eventually they'll review the coin toss to make sure the official tossed it up the proper way.

Oh this here post made me laugh Catch!
For me though, since they done brung all this replay stuff in, I can live with it, even the lengthiness of it all.
We've all clearly seen when catches were not catches.
But before the replay, how long has this been going on?
There's probably Super Bowls that have been won on catches that were not catches.
And I'm sure all the No-catch'erees out there STILL basking in their glory know which ones were not too!

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL has so many rules now that it's not surprising that everyone doesn't know them all. Even the officials get confused. It gets even worse when they use differfent rules for the playoffs. Now they use instant replay to determine the outcome of so many plays that it make the games drag out even longer.

This. It takes joy out of watching games.

I'll admit i'm a fan of the instant replay where they make the bad call good pretty quickly. No dragging out, no commercial breaks....just bam change the play on the field and keep it moving. I've noticed it more and more

Do they really need to review every TD? Even obvious ones. It usually only takes 30 seconds or so but why do it at all? I'm also tired of reviewing so many receptions to see if the ball "wiggled" a little as he hits the ground or stepped out of bounds. If it looks like a catch then it's a catch. It all evens out in the end. They played football for years without replay and it was fine. Yes there were controversial plays but we still have that now. Even after the replays they don't always see the play the way fans do.

Replay was fine when it was first introduced. It was only used for certain plays. Unforunately, like so many things the league keeps expanding the use thinking more is better. I suppose eventually they'll review the coin toss to make sure the official tossed it up the proper way.

Oh this here post made me laugh Catch!
For me though, since they done brung all this replay stuff in, I can live with it, even the lengthiness of it all.
We've all clearly seen when catches were not catches.
But before the replay, how long has this been going on?
There's probably Super Bowls that have been won on catches that were not catches.
And I'm sure all the No-catch'erees out there STILL basking in their glory know which ones were not too!

My point is that all the replays haven't made the games better. Before replays fans accepted that calls would be missed. They still are even with replay but now we have more time for commercials during the replays. Fans on this forum are always screaming about the officials missing a holding call of a PI. Are they going to start reviewing every play to make sure nothing is missed?

Those catch replays that show the ball clearly touching the ground are one thing but the little tiny wiggles are BS. The ones that clearlyshow the ball hitting th ground are often obvious even at live speed. The officials are now relying too much on replays making the calls for them.

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL has so many rules now that it's not surprising that everyone doesn't know them all. Even the officials get confused. It gets even worse when they use differfent rules for the playoffs. Now they use instant replay to determine the outcome of so many plays that it make the games drag out even longer.

This. It takes joy out of watching games.

Agreed. Plus, more commercials adding to the longevity and frustration.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49ers9797:
SB 54-People bring up the Sanders play. But...if he scores a TD, there is over a minute left. Would Kyle, knowing his D was gassed, tell them in advance to go down near the goal line if there is say 90 seconds or so left? But it should have never came to that. I watched the game and was annoyed they stopped running it when they were getting decent yardage on each carry. Unless your QB is elite, you don't allow them to go airing it out.

SB 58-I have a few issues. Not kicking to KC in OT. Doing so allows you to know what is needed on the next offensive possession. It's decreases the likelihood of them using all four downs. Some might say the D is gassed. Well, they were still gassed and it didn't make a difference when KC got the ball. I still believe they did not know that playoff OT differed from the regular season. I can guarantee you that Reid, McVay, Belichick all kick off there.

I'm sorry but this is straight nonsense. This is no different than people who claimed we drafted Solomon Thomas cuz he took a class with Lynch. Just pure delusion and insanity.

EVERY player and coach who has ever worked with Shanahan talks about Kyle's attention to detail. Taking the insane logic leap that he somehow didn't know a major rule changed happened in a season where we were SB favorites vs simply not spending extra time on it preparing for a possibility that may not happen is just nonsense.

First of all we also had players saying Kyle brought it up to them before, whether they were covering up for him or not doesn't change the fact that he knew the rules and made the decision based on how THAT game went. I'm not even going to get into it again since we talked about it for 100s of pages during the offseason but what you can't guarantee is what other coaches would've done because they weren't there.

The goals didn't change - score TD on your drive, stop the other team. At worst players would look stupid celebrating if we scored the opening drive TD.

Didn't Armstead and Juice admit after the Super Bowl that they didn't know, though (or at least didn't know until right before OT started)?

I'm sure Kyle knew the new OT rules before deciding to receive the ball first. It wasn't a good decision with the 20/20 version of hindsight (you make a decision and lose, you simply wonder if the alternative would've led to something different), but at the time he was well-aware of the rules. He just figured a) we could score a TD and force the Chiefs to have to tie just to get to sudden death or go for 2 and b) defense needed some rest.

But Armstead/Juice saying they didn't know in advance is just one of those things that's optically embarrassing and extra salt in the wound, even if it didn't actually make a difference. It shows we weren't as prepared for all possible scenarios as we should've been, for one of the biggest games in franchise history.

Kyle's decision NOT to go for it on both 4th downs (4th and OT) is what cost us the game. Knowing that you're giving the ball back to Mahomes with 1:53 left in the 4th and infinite time in OT is a recipe for disaster, especially when one of your star LBs is out and is replaced with a subpar LB that was getting exposed throughout the second half. Just like the previous SB, Kyle went full turtle and decided to "play not to lose" instead of putting the ball in his best unit's hand and letting them close it out.

Of course his protectors will retort by claiming "well if we didn't make the first then you guys would be crying about why we didn't kick the FG". Well I guess we will never know because Kyle decided Wilks was the best man available to stop Mahomes.

We will never win a SB with Kyle Shanahan as coach. He just doesn't have what it takes when the game is on the line. 0-2

I know Kyle haters hate this reasoning, but i'd rather have an 0-2 coach in SBs than an 0-0 coach. Which a lot of teams have. He'll win one. Hopefully with us

I was just trying to preach this yesterday but Kyle haters still can't process it. This insane logic where getting all the way to the Super Bowl and then losing is somehow worse than not getting to the Super Bowl at all is pure brain rot. It's just something Browns/Jaguars/Lions/Texans fans convince themselves to make themselves feel better about never sniffing a Super Bowl "well, thank goodness we missed the playoffs yet again! Now we won't lose the Super Bowl! 😇😇😇"

And before DrEll says it, no, I am not "happy with just losing Super Bowls." I am simply stating a blatant arithmetic fact that it is NOT WORSE to lose the Super Bowl than not get there at all. It is, at the absolute most, just as bad. Sure. I'll listen to that argument even if I don't completely agree. But it sure as heck isn't worse. You're trying to argue 1 + 1 < 1 at that point.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL has so many rules now that it's not surprising that everyone doesn't know them all. Even the officials get confused. It gets even worse when they use differfent rules for the playoffs. Now they use instant replay to determine the outcome of so many plays that it make the games drag out even longer.

This. It takes joy out of watching games.

I'll admit i'm a fan of the instant replay where they make the bad call good pretty quickly. No dragging out, no commercial breaks....just bam change the play on the field and keep it moving. I've noticed it more and more

Do they really need to review every TD? Even obvious ones. It usually only takes 30 seconds or so but why do it at all? I'm also tired of reviewing so many receptions to see if the ball "wiggled" a little as he hits the ground or stepped out of bounds. If it looks like a catch then it's a catch. It all evens out in the end. They played football for years without replay and it was fine. Yes there were controversial plays but we still have that now. Even after the replays they don't always see the play the way fans do.

Replay was fine when it was first introduced. It was only used for certain plays. Unforunately, like so many things the league keeps expanding the use thinking more is better. I suppose eventually they'll review the coin toss to make sure the official tossed it up the proper way.

Oh this here post made me laugh Catch!
For me though, since they done brung all this replay stuff in, I can live with it, even the lengthiness of it all.
We've all clearly seen when catches were not catches.
But before the replay, how long has this been going on?
There's probably Super Bowls that have been won on catches that were not catches.
And I'm sure all the No-catch'erees out there STILL basking in their glory know which ones were not too!

My point is that all the replays haven't made the games better. Before replays fans accepted that calls would be missed. They still are even with replay but now we have more time for commercials during the replays. Fans on this forum are always screaming about the officials missing a holding call of a PI. Are they going to start reviewing every play to make sure nothing is missed?

Those catch replays that show the ball clearly touching the ground are one thing but the little tiny wiggles are BS. The ones that clearlyshow the ball hitting th ground are often obvious even at live speed. The officials are now relying too much on replays making the calls for them.

I think if they can ensure they get things right as much as possible it's a win for the sport. Hard to take the refs out of it unless we find a way to get AI refs out there but if you can watch a replay and see the call was wrong on the field...i'm all for it.

It's not like these reviews are like the coaches challenges which take a long time sometimes. These are done pretty quickly.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Isosceles:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by zeppfan1:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The NFL has so many rules now that it's not surprising that everyone doesn't know them all. Even the officials get confused. It gets even worse when they use differfent rules for the playoffs. Now they use instant replay to determine the outcome of so many plays that it make the games drag out even longer.

This. It takes joy out of watching games.

I'll admit i'm a fan of the instant replay where they make the bad call good pretty quickly. No dragging out, no commercial breaks....just bam change the play on the field and keep it moving. I've noticed it more and more

Do they really need to review every TD? Even obvious ones. It usually only takes 30 seconds or so but why do it at all? I'm also tired of reviewing so many receptions to see if the ball "wiggled" a little as he hits the ground or stepped out of bounds. If it looks like a catch then it's a catch. It all evens out in the end. They played football for years without replay and it was fine. Yes there were controversial plays but we still have that now. Even after the replays they don't always see the play the way fans do.

Replay was fine when it was first introduced. It was only used for certain plays. Unforunately, like so many things the league keeps expanding the use thinking more is better. I suppose eventually they'll review the coin toss to make sure the official tossed it up the proper way.

Oh this here post made me laugh Catch!
For me though, since they done brung all this replay stuff in, I can live with it, even the lengthiness of it all.
We've all clearly seen when catches were not catches.
But before the replay, how long has this been going on?
There's probably Super Bowls that have been won on catches that were not catches.
And I'm sure all the No-catch'erees out there STILL basking in their glory know which ones were not too!

My point is that all the replays haven't made the games better. Before replays fans accepted that calls would be missed. They still are even with replay but now we have more time for commercials during the replays. Fans on this forum are always screaming about the officials missing a holding call of a PI. Are they going to start reviewing every play to make sure nothing is missed?

Those catch replays that show the ball clearly touching the ground are one thing but the little tiny wiggles are BS. The ones that clearlyshow the ball hitting th ground are often obvious even at live speed. The officials are now relying too much on replays making the calls for them.

I think if they can ensure they get things right as much as possible it's a win for the sport. Hard to take the refs out of it unless we find a way to get AI refs out there but if you can watch a replay and see the call was wrong on the field...i'm all for it.

It's not like these reviews are like the coaches challenges which take a long time sometimes. These are done pretty quickly.

Those replays are likely to hurt your team as often as the help your team. I just think many of them are too nit picky. Anyway it's not going to change so I guess I have to live with it. If anything they'll continue to use it more often. I think sports now exist just so companies can advertise their stuff. Commercials take more of the 3 1/2 hours it takes to complete a game than the acton does. Not even close.

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:
I was just trying to preach this yesterday but Kyle haters still can't process it. This insane logic where getting all the way to the Super Bowl and then losing is somehow worse than not getting to the Super Bowl at all is pure brain rot. It's just something Browns/Jaguars/Lions/Texans fans convince themselves to make themselves feel better about never sniffing a Super Bowl "well, thank goodness we missed the playoffs yet again! Now we won't lose the Super Bowl! 😇😇😇"

And before DrEll says it, no, I am not "happy with just losing Super Bowls." I am simply stating a blatant arithmetic fact that it is NOT WORSE to lose the Super Bowl than not get there at all. It is, at the absolute most, just as bad. Sure. I'll listen to that argument even if I don't completely agree. But it sure as heck isn't worse. You're trying to argue 1 + 1 < 1 at that point.

There is something to thinking a change to coaching could be a spark a team needs to get the job done and win it all.

However look at the coaching turnover in the NFL. How many teams change HCs thinking the same thing. How many fail?

That's the issue imo that guys like DrEll and some others refuse to understand. You can't change coaches like this and keep all the good but somehow instantly improve all the bad.

It's wanting change just for changes sake. There is more of a chance that Kyle gets it figured out and wins one here than there is someone coming in off the street and winning it all here.

I mean the guy is pushing for Saleh to be HC. What did he win with the Jets? But surely he's going to be the HC to win us a SB?

You change coaches, you're likely changing the front office. You're having massive changes in personnel. Not sure why some are so willing to just throw it all away and start over. If anything this season is showing that Kyle is the guy for the job as long as he has a solid DC in place he can trust to run things on that side of the ball.

I find it hard to believe that with how Kyle has been coaching this season that if our roster wasn't healthy we wouldn't be front runners for the #1 seed. Hell we were playing for the #1 seed with some of those huge injuries.