49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 9moon:
NAHH NAHH NAHHH... Levy a better HC.. he went to 4 straight SB which is harder to do... only the Giants team was not better than his Bills.. Both Dallas and Washington were better than Buffalo...

While KYLE's 49ers were BOTH better than KC teams..

Shanny is a combo of Martz and Wyche..

A SB team with Jimmy G as QB is not better than a team with Patrick Mahomes as QB.

Was Jeff Hostetler and Nick Foles' team better than Jim Kelly and Tom Brady's ??

Was Eli's first SB team better than Tom Brady's undefeated team??

Was Tom Brady's first SB team better than Kurt Warner's ??

BRUH... stop it.. get some help with THIS argument..

the HC is gonna have to COUNT somehow..

Kyle has done a pretty good job this year considering all the injuries they had to deal with.
He also has demonstrated that this team can win by completely switching its offensive identity. He's still a great play designer.

With that said, the issues on offense that led to this switch are on him as well. Inability to run the ball is unheard for a Shanahan team. Not even in Mullens or Beathard years do I remember this team so bad at running the ball. The offensive line looking like crap glued together is on him. Overusing the hell out of CMC and not even trying to get other backs get burn unless CMC asks for sub, is also on him.

At this point, I actually dont mind them running CMC into ground. When (not if) CMC snaps his achilles his career will be pretty much done, and while I dont want that to happen...thats probably the only thing that will move Kyle away from his CMC dependency/addiction.

Originally posted by 9moon:
Was Jeff Hostetler and Nick Foles' team better than Jim Kelly and Tom Brady's ??

Was Eli's first SB team better than Tom Brady's undefeated team??

Was Tom Brady's first SB team better than Kurt Warner's ??

BRUH... stop it.. get some help with THIS argument..

the HC is gonna have to COUNT somehow..

It wasn't just Patrick Mahomes, lol. They also had arguably the greatest receiving TE of all time, one of the greatest deep threats in the history of the game, an elite game-wrecking DE, etc.

You couldn't have traded our 3 best players for Mahomes alone. It's not simply a matter of talent… it's where the talent is positionally.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Was Jeff Hostetler and Nick Foles' team better than Jim Kelly and Tom Brady's ??

Was Eli's first SB team better than Tom Brady's undefeated team??

Was Tom Brady's first SB team better than Kurt Warner's ??

BRUH... stop it.. get some help with THIS argument..

the HC is gonna have to COUNT somehow..

It wasn't just Patrick Mahomes, lol. They also had arguably the greatest receiving TE of all time, one of the greatest deep threats in the history of the game, an elite game-wrecking DE, etc.

You couldn't have traded our 3 best players for Mahomes alone. It's not simply a matter of talent… it's where the talent is positionally.

Mahomes is one of those rare players that can look average all game long and then destroy you in the final quarter. Chris Jones is like that on defense. Unfortunately thr 49ers in recent years haven't been like that. Too often they play great in the first half, okay in the 3rd quarter and wilt down the stretch.

From the perspective of a Niners fan who has seen all five SB victories:

-I appreciate Shanahan and all the winning this team has had under him as HC (which has contributed to the Niners having the most all-time NFL playoff wins)

-When healthy with the roster that's been built up, I feel this team can beat any team in the league on any occasion - again, credit goes to Shanahan (& Lynch)

-A big part of becoming a SB champion is winning in the trenches - IMO Shanahan (& Lynch) have consistently failed here re: the OL (failings have shown up too regularly and also at key moments vs. good teams)

-Special Teams, a big 3rd Phase of the game - especially in today's tightly-competitive NFL - has been a consistent weakness for this team and showed up in the worst of ways at the worst of times in the last Niners SB (KC's punt hitting Luter deep in Niners territory, which should have never happened...Niners had been controlling KC's offense for almost 3 Quarters but this opened the door w/ under 3 minutes left in the 3rd for KC's 1st TD). ST has been a little better this year, especially the kicking game (thanks to Eddy). But having ST so poor for so long falls squarely on the HC IMO.

There are more pros and cons for the above but don't want to write a novel. All of the above can be true, and one can still think Shanahan is a very good HC and glad to have him as this team's HC.

The team is 4-2 this season with all the injuries, which is somewhat remarkable. Not about to give up hope yet with some key guys coming back, maybe an impactful trade happens, still 11(!) games left, and injuries will happen (unfortunately) to other good teams, too.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Mahomes is one of those rare players that can look average all game long and then destroy you in the final quarter. Chris Jones is like that on defense. Unfortunately thr 49ers in recent years haven't been like that. Too often they play great in the first half, okay in the 3rd quarter and wilt down the stretch.

Our defense played out of their mind for the bulk of that game. Then the Chiefs exploded, which wasn't at all surprising. In-between we were missing opportunities on offense. We had an awesome TE too, but he doesn't throw himself the ball.

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
From the perspective of a Niners fan who has seen all five SB victories:

-I appreciate Shanahan and all the winning this team has had under him as HC (which has contributed to the Niners having the most all-time NFL playoff wins)

-When healthy with the roster that's been built up, I feel this team can beat any team in the league on any occasion - again, credit goes to Shanahan (& Lynch)

-A big part of becoming a SB champion is winning in the trenches - IMO Shanahan (& Lynch) have consistently failed here re: the OL (failings have shown up too regularly and also at key moments vs. good teams)

-Special Teams, a big 3rd Phase of the game - especially in today's tightly-competitive NFL - has been a consistent weakness for this team and showed up in the worst of ways at the worst of times in the last Niners SB (KC's punt hitting Luter deep in Niners territory, which should have never happened...Niners had been controlling KC's offense for almost 3 Quarters but this opened the door w/ under 3 minutes left in the 3rd for KC's 1st TD). ST has been a little better this year, especially the kicking game (thanks to Eddy). But having ST so poor for so long falls squarely on the HC IMO.

There are more pros and cons for the above but don't want to write a novel. All of the above can be true, and one can still think Shanahan is a very good HC and glad to have him as this team's HC.

The team is 4-2 this season with all the injuries, which is somewhat remarkable. Not about to give up hope yet with some key guys coming back, maybe an impactful trade happens, still 11(!) games left, and injuries will happen (unfortunately) to other good teams, too.

I had season tickets during all those SB winning years. As much as I love Walsh, Montana, Lott, Rice etc it's a different era now. Teams are far more competitive than they were back then because of free agency and the cap. Look at how many games are decided by 3 poiints or less now. The rules changes have made it easier for teams to move down the field in the final 2 minutes to kick a FG In the 80s the league had half a dozen great teams that were 3 deep at some positions. Now if a team is hit with some injuries to key players the season is essentially over.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by LottDMontanaO:
From the perspective of a Niners fan who has seen all five SB victories:

-I appreciate Shanahan and all the winning this team has had under him as HC (which has contributed to the Niners having the most all-time NFL playoff wins)

-When healthy with the roster that's been built up, I feel this team can beat any team in the league on any occasion - again, credit goes to Shanahan (& Lynch)

-A big part of becoming a SB champion is winning in the trenches - IMO Shanahan (& Lynch) have consistently failed here re: the OL (failings have shown up too regularly and also at key moments vs. good teams)

-Special Teams, a big 3rd Phase of the game - especially in today's tightly-competitive NFL - has been a consistent weakness for this team and showed up in the worst of ways at the worst of times in the last Niners SB (KC's punt hitting Luter deep in Niners territory, which should have never happened...Niners had been controlling KC's offense for almost 3 Quarters but this opened the door w/ under 3 minutes left in the 3rd for KC's 1st TD). ST has been a little better this year, especially the kicking game (thanks to Eddy). But having ST so poor for so long falls squarely on the HC IMO.

There are more pros and cons for the above but don't want to write a novel. All of the above can be true, and one can still think Shanahan is a very good HC and glad to have him as this team's HC.

The team is 4-2 this season with all the injuries, which is somewhat remarkable. Not about to give up hope yet with some key guys coming back, maybe an impactful trade happens, still 11(!) games left, and injuries will happen (unfortunately) to other good teams, too.

I had season tickets during all those SB winning years. As much as I love Walsh, Montana, Lott, Rice etc it's a different era now. Teams are far more competitive than they were back then because of free agency and the cap. Look at how many games are decided by 3 poiints or less now. The rules changes have made it easier for teams to move down the field in the final 2 minutes to kick a FG In the 80s the league had half a dozen great teams that were 3 deep at some positions. Now if a team is hit with some injuries to key players the season is essentially over.

Yes, the games are much closer now league-wide. This year, it seems particularly wide open. That's why ST and being either even or better than your opponent in this area is crucial in these games that can (and do) go down to the wire.

Regarding injuries to key players, you're right, and as we've unfortunately seen with the Niners, it can happen at any given moment. So, though things look bleak for the Niners w/ all the key injuries after Game 6, there's still a lot of football to be played this season and injuries can & will happen to other teams' key players, too. Looking forward to the Niners getting some of their top guys back soon, hopefully for this Sunday vs. Atlanta.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Mahomes is one of those rare players that can look average all game long and then destroy you in the final quarter. Chris Jones is like that on defense. Unfortunately thr 49ers in recent years haven't been like that. Too often they play great in the first half, okay in the 3rd quarter and wilt down the stretch.

Our defense played out of their mind for the bulk of that game. Then the Chiefs exploded, which wasn't at all surprising. In-between we were missing opportunities on offense. We had an awesome TE too, but he doesn't throw himself the ball.

Sometimes you can't beat a great team, great coaching of their own and the refs…

The fact that the 49ers had the lead in that 2019 matchup is a feather in Shanahan's cap not a negative how some here want to paint him. The tape shows how many missed opportunities there were by Jimmy. Some do to his decisions, some due to poor throws and some just due to great plays by KC.

People here crying about Kyle somehow forget that the Chiefs have a pretty damn good coaching team as well…including the main reason the Giants were able to beat that Tom Brady team in 2007.

The refs call that game properly in 2019 and we win and it's not even close.

Refs weren't as much an issue in 2023 but key injuries to Dre and Feliciano and mental errors were too much to overcome.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Was Jeff Hostetler and Nick Foles' team better than Jim Kelly and Tom Brady's ??

Was Eli's first SB team better than Tom Brady's undefeated team??

Was Tom Brady's first SB team better than Kurt Warner's ??

BRUH... stop it.. get some help with THIS argument..

the HC is gonna have to COUNT somehow..

It wasn't just Patrick Mahomes, lol. They also had arguably the greatest receiving TE of all time, one of the greatest deep threats in the history of the game, an elite game-wrecking DE, etc.

You couldn't have traded our 3 best players for Mahomes alone. It's not simply a matter of talent… it's where the talent is positionally.

SO, you're basically saying that we were supposed to lose that game?? And you were pretty much surprised that we were up by 10 because of our HC?

But blame it on Grappy that KC came back and beat us?

Originally posted by the_dynasty:
Kyle has done a pretty good job this year considering all the injuries they had to deal with.
He also has demonstrated that this team can win by completely switching its offensive identity. He's still a great play designer.

With that said, the issues on offense that led to this switch are on him as well. Inability to run the ball is unheard for a Shanahan team. Not even in Mullens or Beathard years do I remember this team so bad at running the ball. The offensive line looking like crap glued together is on him. Overusing the hell out of CMC and not even trying to get other backs get burn unless CMC asks for sub, is also on him.

At this point, I actually dont mind them running CMC into ground. When (not if) CMC snaps his achilles his career will be pretty much done, and while I dont want that to happen...thats probably the only thing that will move Kyle away from his CMC dependency/addiction.

90% agree fully... HC is a GREAT PLAY DESIGNER... but that's about it..

and yes... while CMC is still good, you can tell that the tank is on the low end already.. In a year or two, he can be Marcus Allen was to KC because of his high football IQ.. I will not argue of how CMC was used, great football players are supposed to get overused... but it is what it is, and he almost done..

PLUS, it didn't help that he agree to join the Luck of the Madden Cover !!

Originally posted by 9moon:
SO, you're basically saying that we were supposed to lose that game?? And you were pretty much surprised that we were up by 10 because of our HC?

But blame it on Grappy that KC came back and beat us?

We were (small) underdogs. It was a closely contested game where their key players made the necessary plays to win. It was disappointing, but not surprising.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Was Jeff Hostetler and Nick Foles' team better than Jim Kelly and Tom Brady's ??

Was Eli's first SB team better than Tom Brady's undefeated team??

Was Tom Brady's first SB team better than Kurt Warner's ??

BRUH... stop it.. get some help with THIS argument..

the HC is gonna have to COUNT somehow..

It wasn't just Patrick Mahomes, lol. They also had arguably the greatest receiving TE of all time, one of the greatest deep threats in the history of the game, an elite game-wrecking DE, etc.

You couldn't have traded our 3 best players for Mahomes alone. It's not simply a matter of talent… it's where the talent is positionally.

Mahomes is one of those rare players that can look average all game long and then destroy you in the final quarter. Chris Jones is like that on defense. Unfortunately thr 49ers in recent years haven't been like that. Too often they play great in the first half, okay in the 3rd quarter and wilt down the stretch.

AIN'T that the HC responsibility to fix the certain issue?

Doesn't that tell everyone that Shanny's offensive scheme gets figure out when it matters most?

HE and the entire coaching staff gots to know that every SB Trophies are handed at the end of the game...

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 9moon:
Was Jeff Hostetler and Nick Foles' team better than Jim Kelly and Tom Brady's ??

Was Eli's first SB team better than Tom Brady's undefeated team??

Was Tom Brady's first SB team better than Kurt Warner's ??

BRUH... stop it.. get some help with THIS argument..

the HC is gonna have to COUNT somehow..

It wasn't just Patrick Mahomes, lol. They also had arguably the greatest receiving TE of all time, one of the greatest deep threats in the history of the game, an elite game-wrecking DE, etc.

You couldn't have traded our 3 best players for Mahomes alone. It's not simply a matter of talent… it's where the talent is positionally.

if that's the case, how did the Tom Brady's team beat the Mighty Rams ?

or better yet, how did Tom Brady's team lose to the Giants when the were favored by 17 pts I think?

Originally posted by 9moon:
if that's the case, how did the Tom Brady's team beat the Mighty Rams ?

or better yet, how did Tom Brady's team lose to the Giants when the were favored by 17 pts I think?

Neither of these matchups have anything to do with any of our games.

You could try understanding the sport and actually analyzing games, or you can make generic, thoughtless, comparisons like this because you're incapable, unwilling, or both.