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Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
This team is broken. They're no longer contenders. This will be 2013 all over again
This will be a long downhill slide. Followed by years of top 3, 5, 7, 10, 12 picks. They will get so bad for so long. It's inevitable they come back up. The Yorks pattern. They have done it before. Then you will hear about how the Yorks know what they are doing.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Some dumb team would have traded multiple first and second round picks for him this year. Next year he will get fired and we will get nothing for him
1. Teams were allowed to offer us trades for him and didn't.
2. If anything the roster strip down buys Kyle more time.
We don't know anything about what was offered. Or if anyone knew he was even on the table. I am positive if any one if the insiders had leaked shanahan trade is on the table we would have heard rumors and got offered.
I don't see how you can justify 10 years in being in the same spot as he was hired. If that's the idea than might as well just extend him another 10 years and let him go 20 years before even considering replacing him.
Or just sign him to a lifetime contract irregardless of results.
Same spot as when he was hired? You think that's accurate?
The offense has been better every season since Kyle took over. Same with the defense(even though it doesn't take much to improve from the disaster we saw in 2016)
Kyle has his flaws but some of them may be changing either by force or from experience - such as his reluctance to trust young players. Well guess what...he's gonna have to trust young players next season. Hopefully he's also learned to improve his situational playcalling with a lead and not having Deebo around will actually help our offense become harder to defend.
And once again I think we're heading into the conversation of what's considered successful from coaching standards. The ultimate prize is winning the SB but there is too much evidence to show that Kyle is in fact a good coach as our players are prized across the league when they hit free agency or if we release them.
If the directive from ownership is - trim the fat, get younger and cheaper and build around the key guys in place then I think we're definitely better off with Shanahan calling the shots and having Saleh back for the defense is huge as well.
Heck for all the complaining people are doing about the losses this offseason, one thing we can see from the additions is Kyle is changing his stance on special teams.
Would certainly be something if we finally got over the SB hump and it was because of key plays by special teams.
8 years and he's 50/50 on winning and losing seasons with no Super Bowl to hang his hat on. 2-3 more years of this same stuff will probably get him canned. Teams don't pay HCs to get close and have bad seasons.
Let's be real. Kyle took over a horrible roster and it took him 2 years to turn it over into one of the better teams in the league.
There was no expectation to win quickly given what he took over and the two losing seasons since 2019 when the expectations changed drastically were filled with major injuries to key players.
Eventually if we don't win the SB then yes, the team is likely to make a change but the Andy Reid comparisons are there for a reason.
Andy was fired 8 years after his SB loss(ironically enough they won 6 games the year after losing the SB) then went 10-6, 8-8, 9-6-1 the next 3 seasons after. He was fired 2 straight years of missing the playoffs which followed 2 1 and done visits to the playoffs in 2 years prior to that.
As long as the team isn't quitting on Kyle and we're not wasting money and resources I don't see him going anywhere soon unless he wants out(if Jed and Paraag are calling the shots now, that may happen)
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Originally posted by socalfan21:
This team is broken. They're no longer contenders. This will be 2013 all over again
We went to NFCCG in 2013 and lost to Dick Sherman. I knew the winner of that game was winning the Super Bowl. Too bad it was SEA
I'm probably thinking of 2014 then. 2013 it was a miracle they went that far
Wasn't a miracle at all. In fact we got hosed by the Ahmad Brooks roughing the passer call that cost us the Saints game and home field advantage in the playoffs which in those days basically how the Seahawks/49ers games were decided. Whoever had home field won.
I'm assuming you're talking about the Tomsula season which was in 2015.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by lamontb:
Last SB was so depressing. We you sit and analyze the fact that your favorite team didn't understand the overtime rules. That the other team's coach not only knew the rules but practiced the s**t the day before. We lost that SB's b/c Andy Reid is a better and more prepared HC. 2019 is more on the players to me. They were on the sidelines celebrating like the game was over in the 3rd quarter. So many missed passes from Jimmy. Chris Jones dogging our o line. Fred taking some of the worst run angles of all time. The big 4th down completion where Moseley didn't cover Hill. Just a total choke job from our entire roster.
Rest assured we mainly lost because of the players in the last Super Bowl as well.
Originally posted by 9moon:
GOOD coaching covers all players stupidity... had Shanny not asked a young OL to block 95 in the last Super Bowl prior to kicking a FG, B-Rock Steady Purdy would have found an open receiver and we woulda won that game..
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Originally posted by 9moon:
GOOD coaching covers all players stupidity... had Shanny not asked a young OL to block 95 in the last Super Bowl prior to kicking a FG, B-Rock Steady Purdy would have found an open receiver and we woulda won that game..
Shhhhhhhh..... They don't want to accept that the coach self induces the choking. It's all because the players didn't execute. Every move shanahan makes is perfect and any issues are a result of the players failure to execute.
He's also not responsible for player execution though in games so don't blame him for that...
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Originally posted by 9moon:
GOOD coaching covers all players stupidity... had Shanny not asked a young OL to block 95 in the last Super Bowl prior to kicking a FG, B-Rock Steady Purdy would have found an open receiver and we woulda won that game..
Shhhhhhhh..... They don't want to accept that the coach self induces the choking. It's all because the players didn't execute. Every move shanahan makes is perfect and any issues are a result of the players failure to execute.
He's also not responsible for player execution though in games so don't blame him for that...
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Why can't folks accept it was both. Execution and questionable play calls. It's not one or the other.
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Shhhhhhhh..... They don't want to accept that the coach self induces the choking. It's all because the players didn't execute. Every move shanahan makes is perfect and any issues are a result of the players failure to execute.
He's also not responsible for player execution though in games so don't blame him for that...
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
Why can't folks accept it was both. Execution and questionable play calls. It's not one or the other.
It's a lot more execution, certainly on offense.
The defense it was a lot more questionable play calling. People too busy trying to blame everything on Kyle to make an honest assessment.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah. Lol I doubt Kyle said "here is an easy touchdown to Jennings, but please don't block the best interior pass rusher in the nfl on this down. Just act like he isn't there". Lol
The result of a football game is a culmination of 4 quarters of plays by 3 aspects of the team (offense, defense, ST).
At the end of the day, the team that executes the best and protects the ball, usually wins. I agree with Smokey that a majority of the games outcome is execution but coaching is also a major factor too. It takes two to tango.
I love having Kyle. He isn't perfect but he's an awesome coach who is still young. I feel fortunate we got him and hope we have him another 20 years.
Originally posted by genus49:
Are you two for real? Burford said he freelanced on the play aka he went AGAINST what he was coached to do on the play.
Do I need to remind you why he was on the field? You going to blame Shanahan for Feliciano getting hurt too? Did you want him to run onto the field and tell everyone "do your job guys"?
It blows my mind that some of you legit have takes like this. And save your sarcasm when you're being this ridiculous. Shanahan had his flaws in that game like any HC but he called a play that had two WRs wide open for a TD. A backup in for an injured starter not only freelanced by going against the coaching assignment on the play but did so with the idea that NOT blocking Chris Jones is the smart move to make.
And this you blame on Shanahan?? 🙄
Originally posted by eric_anthony:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Yeah. Lol I doubt Kyle said "here is an easy touchdown to Jennings, but please don't block the best interior pass rusher in the nfl on this down. Just act like he isn't there". Lol
The result of a football game is a culmination of 4 quarters of plays by 3 aspects of the team (offense, defense, ST).
At the end of the day, the team that executes the best and protects the ball, usually wins. I agree with Smokey that a majority of the games outcome is execution but coaching is also a major factor too. It takes two to tango.
I love having Kyle. He isn't perfect but he's an awesome coach who is still young. I feel fortunate we got him and hope we have him another 20 years.
20?? Without a SB win?
Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
One play does not make or break a game. The problem is shanahan fails at multiple aspects you all fail to acknowledge.
Who picks what players are on the team and the field at any given time? Who picks what gets practiced every practice? Who calls in the plays to the QB and determines how much free reign they have to audible at the line? Who decides whether to go for it or to have the kicker try? Who calls timeouts and challenges? Who picks the defensive coordinator? Who picks the offensive coordinator?
People are acting like shanahans allowed to cop out for having bad players in bad spots not execute like the miss on Reddick by the backup tight end.
Guess who gets to pick which players go where at a given time? Yup that's shanahan again. If you don't think burford is reliable than don't put him on the field or give him an easier role.
Do you think dwelley specifically practiced the play lined up against bosa in practice prior to Brock losing his arm? There is no way. There's no cop out saying well dwelley practiced that play 5x in practice against bosa and he stonewalled him every time.
If that were the case then I would blame execution. The problem is preparation and player selection. Game management needs improvement. Challenges and timeout timing is horrible. Penalties were also high last year.
All of it I put straight on the coaching.
