49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by socalfan21:
They went all in the last 5 years and Shanahan has done nothing but to lose at the highest stage in the playoffs.they wasted prime years with Jimmy G at QB. He's gonna give Brock all this money while having no weapons at WR… this is gonna be interesting

What "prime"

I don't think he meant Jimmy's prime,I think he means wasted the teams prime by having Jimmy at QB.

KS10 couda easily won two Super Bowls outside Jimmy and B-Rock Steady Purdy.. He had a chance to have The 2nd Best QB Ever but did not want him.. then he had another shot to win one had he gone Staff but did not want him either...

To me, Shanny wants to win w/a QB who is AVERAGE AT BEST so that he can get ALL THE CREDIT in the world...

That's the reason why he SUCKS !!

Interesting that he traded 3 first round picks for Trey Lance, but passed on Brady (could have had him for free), Aaron Rodgers (could have had him for a lot less capital than 3 first round picks), wasn't even interested in Patrick Mahomes, and pretty much lucked into Brock Purdy (who only got a chance to play because Kyle's A and B options got injured).

This is the genius everyone holds in high regards ?!

He's been awful at scouting, drafting, recruiting in FA a QB for this team. Far below average. One of his greatest weaknesses. He lucked into Purdy in the 7th round. Yes it's LUCK if you land the last guy in the 7th round and he turns out much better than expected. But Shany has not at all had a good radar for QB. One of the biggest problems with him. Among other things. I'd put that near the top though.

Finally...you make a post that's actually based on facts. Please try this more often.

Yes Shanahan at least with the 49ers has a clear blind spot as far as QB evaluations. This is another reason why I think signing Brock to an extension is critical.

I don't want to see Kyle making a move to bring in another young QB any time soon and my hope is he learned a BIG lesson with the Trey miss. I think he tried to overcompensate with Trey for the Mahomes miss.

But yes, when you draft your franchise QB in the 7th round and the end of it to boot...you can't turn around and give Kyle much credit for that find. That's luck.

Great post!

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Can we all blame Kyle for these cash flow problems.. We gave out money probably at the direction of Kyle to CMC, Trent, allegedly stopping the Aiyuk trade..

Kyle sucks at roster management.

He does, but…….
Kyle walks on water for most here at the zone. Watch out, they'll come for you!

Coached a bad roster to the SB twice.. and his coaching tree created a few HCs in the league.. yup Kyle is the problem lol

Remind us about the outcomes in those Superbowls ?

What's your take on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson?

My take is they are not head coaches that squandered 10 point leads with bad decisions.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Can we all blame Kyle for these cash flow problems.. We gave out money probably at the direction of Kyle to CMC, Trent, allegedly stopping the Aiyuk trade..

Kyle sucks at roster management.

He does, but…….
Kyle walks on water for most here at the zone. Watch out, they'll come for you!

Coached a bad roster to the SB twice.. and his coaching tree created a few HCs in the league.. yup Kyle is the problem lol

Remind us about the outcomes in those Superbowls ?

What's your take on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson?

My take is they are not head coaches that squandered 10 point leads with bad decisions.

Yet you're good with Harbaugh? Guess who squandered a 10 point lead in the 2013 NFCCG?

And you not answering the question is exactly why your posts reek of trolling. Can't keep your logic consistent across the board then all you're looking for is a reaction.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Can we all blame Kyle for these cash flow problems.. We gave out money probably at the direction of Kyle to CMC, Trent, allegedly stopping the Aiyuk trade..

Kyle sucks at roster management.

He does, but…….
Kyle walks on water for most here at the zone. Watch out, they'll come for you!

Coached a bad roster to the SB twice.. and his coaching tree created a few HCs in the league.. yup Kyle is the problem lol

Remind us about the outcomes in those Superbowls ?

What's your take on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson?

My take is they are not head coaches that squandered 10 point leads with bad decisions.

Yet you're good with Harbaugh? Guess who squandered a 10 point lead in the 2013 NFCCG?

And you not answering the question is exactly why your posts reek of trolling. Can't keep your logic consistent across the board then all you're looking for is a reaction.

I guarantee you, if we were to fire Kyle, within a year these same people will say firing Kyle was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made lmao

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Can we all blame Kyle for these cash flow problems.. We gave out money probably at the direction of Kyle to CMC, Trent, allegedly stopping the Aiyuk trade..

Kyle sucks at roster management.

He does, but…….
Kyle walks on water for most here at the zone. Watch out, they'll come for you!

Coached a bad roster to the SB twice.. and his coaching tree created a few HCs in the league.. yup Kyle is the problem lol

Remind us about the outcomes in those Superbowls ?

What's your take on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson?

My take is they are not head coaches that squandered 10 point leads with bad decisions.

Yet you're good with Harbaugh? Guess who squandered a 10 point lead in the 2013 NFCCG?

And you not answering the question is exactly why your posts reek of trolling. Can't keep your logic consistent across the board then all you're looking for is a reaction.

I guarantee you, if we were to fire Kyle, within a year these same people will say firing Kyle was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made lmao

This, and they would also be calling for the new coach to be fired after the first few losses

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Can we all blame Kyle for these cash flow problems.. We gave out money probably at the direction of Kyle to CMC, Trent, allegedly stopping the Aiyuk trade..

Kyle sucks at roster management.

He does, but…….
Kyle walks on water for most here at the zone. Watch out, they'll come for you!

Coached a bad roster to the SB twice.. and his coaching tree created a few HCs in the league.. yup Kyle is the problem lol

Remind us about the outcomes in those Superbowls ?

Set your early morning alarm again just to post about Kyle? Lmao

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Can we all blame Kyle for these cash flow problems.. We gave out money probably at the direction of Kyle to CMC, Trent, allegedly stopping the Aiyuk trade..

Kyle sucks at roster management.

He does, but…….
Kyle walks on water for most here at the zone. Watch out, they'll come for you!

Coached a bad roster to the SB twice.. and his coaching tree created a few HCs in the league.. yup Kyle is the problem lol

Remind us about the outcomes in those Superbowls ?

What's your take on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson?

My take is they are not head coaches that squandered 10 point leads with bad decisions.

Yet you're good with Harbaugh? Guess who squandered a 10 point lead in the 2013 NFCCG?

And you not answering the question is exactly why your posts reek of trolling. Can't keep your logic consistent across the board then all you're looking for is a reaction.

I guarantee you, if we were to fire Kyle, within a year these same people will say firing Kyle was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made lmao

This, and they would also be calling for the new coach to be fired after the first few losses

Harbaugh produced better results with a shorter leash. I don't see many posters saying it was the biggest mistake in franchise history firing him.

The reasons for firing harbaugh were valid and well documented. That's why nobody has said it was a massive mistake even though he never had a losing seasons.

The reasons for firing shanahan are similar in a way. they both appear stubborn and unwilling to change or learn from their mistakes. The difference is Brock >>>>>kaep so maybe that buys Kyle more time even though that's an absolute fluke he's on the team and saved them.

In a lot of ways harbaugh had less flaws. Harbaugh never ran his players into the ground as bad as shanny has to CMC. He also only burned a second in kaep and not 3 firsts like lance.

Shanahan is looser with the offense but harbaugh was much better at time and game management. Harbaugh let Roman be super conservative all the time but at least had the special teams and defenses that didn't collapse to win close games.

Harbs had the opposite problem with his teams in that they would never get going until the second half. Shanny's teams just collapse even though they start fast.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Harbaugh produced better results with a shorter leash. I don't see many posters saying it was the biggest mistake in franchise history firing him.

The reasons for firing harbaugh were valid and well documented. That's why nobody has said it was a massive mistake even though he never had a losing seasons.

The reasons for firing shanahan are similar in a way. they both appear stubborn and unwilling to change or learn from their mistakes. The difference is Brock >>>>>kaep so maybe that buys Kyle more time even though that's an absolute fluke he's on the team and saved them.

In a lot of ways harbaugh had less flaws. Harbaugh never ran his players into the ground as bad as shanny has to CMC. He also only burned a second in kaep and not 3 firsts like lance.

Shanahan is looser with the offense but harbaugh was much better at time and game management. Harbaugh let Roman be super conservative all the time but at least had the special teams and defenses that didn't collapse to win close games.

Harbs had the opposite problem with his teams in that they would never get going until the second half. Shanny's teams just collapse even though they start fast.

I'll bite. What "better results" did Harbaugh produce? Last I checked he couldn't even earn a lead in the SB, let alone win one.

The difference is Harbaugh was brought in for his offense and as soon as we lost key players on offense and everyone got a read on what we were doing it started going downhill fast. The best thing he did was bring in Fangio who kept the defense playing at a high level with a lot of injuries that last year.

The offense became worse than when Jim took over the team. Shanahan for all his flaws has been able to produce a solid offense regardless of who is out there.

I also think it's kind of comical to say Harbaugh was better with time and game management when one of the main reasons we couldn't get a lead in that SB was because he had 3 different people calling plays in the redzone and called a timeout on a play people claimed we would've had a walk in TD based on the call. Let's not forget how many times we had delay of game penalties.

The only thing Harbaugh had over Kyle was he appreciated the OL and had the team setup well(even though most of the OLmen were already on the roster when he took over) to run the clock out. Yet once again...in that SB he took out our best RB and ran it just once with the Ravens best run defender on the sidelines on 1st and 7 and then we went pass, pass, pass...

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Can we all blame Kyle for these cash flow problems.. We gave out money probably at the direction of Kyle to CMC, Trent, allegedly stopping the Aiyuk trade..

Kyle sucks at roster management.

He does, but…….
Kyle walks on water for most here at the zone. Watch out, they'll come for you!

Coached a bad roster to the SB twice.. and his coaching tree created a few HCs in the league.. yup Kyle is the problem lol

Remind us about the outcomes in those Superbowls ?

What's your take on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson?

My take is they are not head coaches that squandered 10 point leads with bad decisions.

Yet you're good with Harbaugh? Guess who squandered a 10 point lead in the 2013 NFCCG?

And you not answering the question is exactly why your posts reek of trolling. Can't keep your logic consistent across the board then all you're looking for is a reaction.

I guarantee you, if we were to fire Kyle, within a year these same people will say firing Kyle was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made lmao

This, and they would also be calling for the new coach to be fired after the first few losses

Harbaugh produced better results with a shorter leash. I don't see many posters saying it was the biggest mistake in franchise history firing him.

The reasons for firing harbaugh were valid and well documented. That's why nobody has said it was a massive mistake even though he never had a losing seasons.

The reasons for firing shanahan are similar in a way. they both appear stubborn and unwilling to change or learn from their mistakes. The difference is Brock >>>>>kaep so maybe that buys Kyle more time even though that's an absolute fluke he's on the team and saved them.

In a lot of ways harbaugh had less flaws. Harbaugh never ran his players into the ground as bad as shanny has to CMC. He also only burned a second in kaep and not 3 firsts like lance.

Shanahan is looser with the offense but harbaugh was much better at time and game management. Harbaugh let Roman be super conservative all the time but at least had the special teams and defenses that didn't collapse to win close games.

Harbs had the opposite problem with his teams in that they would never get going until the second half. Shanny's teams just collapse even though they start fast.

I am a big fan of Harbaugh. I hated that they pushed him out. I love Kyle too. They are both great coaches. Both were highly successful with 49ers. I don't see what Harbaugh has to do with Shanahan. Just another thing for people to argue about on here?

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Can we all blame Kyle for these cash flow problems.. We gave out money probably at the direction of Kyle to CMC, Trent, allegedly stopping the Aiyuk trade..

Kyle sucks at roster management.

He does, but…….
Kyle walks on water for most here at the zone. Watch out, they'll come for you!

Coached a bad roster to the SB twice.. and his coaching tree created a few HCs in the league.. yup Kyle is the problem lol

Remind us about the outcomes in those Superbowls ?

what does that have to do with it?

Remember all your posts about not having the best roster and jays recent post reminding us that our roster sucks...

Are you against a coach who can take a bad roster, beat some of the coaches you like and go deep in the playoffs ?

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by Fanaticofnfl:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:

Originally posted by jays9ers:
Can we all blame Kyle for these cash flow problems.. We gave out money probably at the direction of Kyle to CMC, Trent, allegedly stopping the Aiyuk trade..

Kyle sucks at roster management.

He does, but…….
Kyle walks on water for most here at the zone. Watch out, they'll come for you!

Coached a bad roster to the SB twice.. and his coaching tree created a few HCs in the league.. yup Kyle is the problem lol

Remind us about the outcomes in those Superbowls ?

What's your take on Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson?

My take is they are not head coaches that squandered 10 point leads with bad decisions.

Yet you're good with Harbaugh? Guess who squandered a 10 point lead in the 2013 NFCCG?

And you not answering the question is exactly why your posts reek of trolling. Can't keep your logic consistent across the board then all you're looking for is a reaction.

I guarantee you, if we were to fire Kyle, within a year these same people will say firing Kyle was the biggest mistake this franchise has ever made lmao

This, and they would also be calling for the new coach to be fired after the first few losses

Harbaugh produced better results with a shorter leash. I don't see many posters saying it was the biggest mistake in franchise history firing him.

The reasons for firing harbaugh were valid and well documented. That's why nobody has said it was a massive mistake even though he never had a losing seasons.

The reasons for firing shanahan are similar in a way. they both appear stubborn and unwilling to change or learn from their mistakes. The difference is Brock >>>>>kaep so maybe that buys Kyle more time even though that's an absolute fluke he's on the team and saved them.

In a lot of ways harbaugh had less flaws. Harbaugh never ran his players into the ground as bad as shanny has to CMC. He also only burned a second in kaep and not 3 firsts like lance.

Shanahan is looser with the offense but harbaugh was much better at time and game management. Harbaugh let Roman be super conservative all the time but at least had the special teams and defenses that didn't collapse to win close games.

Harbs had the opposite problem with his teams in that they would never get going until the second half. Shanny's teams just collapse even though they start fast.

Jim came into a much better situation than Kyle did and it's not even close.

Both him and Baalke couldn't draft for s**t and identify good talent.

Kyle definitely adapted his offense, especially last year. We played out of shotgun a lot more, Kyle stated several times that some changes had to be made since so many teams started running his offense so defenses got to see it more often.

JH was a bit better at time management and decisions at times.

When Kyle had Saleh and Ryans the defense was good and didn't collapse. JH had Fangio so that mattered a lot.

JH also used Gore a s**t ton, difference is he didn't need to use him as much after he got Kap since Kap could run as well. EVERY HC overuse their RB if he's elite. Saquan, Henry, Chubb, Bijan, Taylor, etc.

Greg Roman was a bum who never adapted, and JH did nothing about it.

Originally posted by genus49:
I'll bite. What "better results" did Harbaugh produce? Last I checked he couldn't even earn a lead in the SB, let alone win one.

The difference is Harbaugh was brought in for his offense and as soon as we lost key players on offense and everyone got a read on what we were doing it started going downhill fast. The best thing he did was bring in Fangio who kept the defense playing at a high level with a lot of injuries that last year.

The offense became worse than when Jim took over the team. Shanahan for all his flaws has been able to produce a solid offense regardless of who is out there.

I also think it's kind of comical to say Harbaugh was better with time and game management when one of the main reasons we couldn't get a lead in that SB was because he had 3 different people calling plays in the redzone and called a timeout on a play people claimed we would've had a walk in TD based on the call. Let's not forget how many times we had delay of game penalties.

The only thing Harbaugh had over Kyle was he appreciated the OL and had the team setup well(even though most of the OLmen were already on the roster when he took over) to run the clock out. Yet once again...in that SB he took out our best RB and ran it just once with the Ravens best run defender on the sidelines on 1st and 7 and then we went pass, pass, pass...

Harbaugh never had a losing seasons.

I agree the SB running play was dumb but shanahan basically did the same thing with Brock in overtime but worse imo.

Harbaugh picked the wrong player to put his faith in but at least gave him all the shots at it.

Shanahan should have let Brock roll out 4 times in OT and thrown at kittle or ran it in. Instead we got some b******t running play and half assed passing plays. Either hand it to CMC every time of you think he's the best player or imo what I would have done is above assuming Brock and kittle are the best players.

Again they are both similar and it wouldn't be the biggest franchise mistake if shanahan was fired. It's justified in both cases.

Shanahan has equally dumb delay of game penalties for the stupid pre play motions etc...

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:
I'll bite. What "better results" did Harbaugh produce? Last I checked he couldn't even earn a lead in the SB, let alone win one.

The difference is Harbaugh was brought in for his offense and as soon as we lost key players on offense and everyone got a read on what we were doing it started going downhill fast. The best thing he did was bring in Fangio who kept the defense playing at a high level with a lot of injuries that last year.

The offense became worse than when Jim took over the team. Shanahan for all his flaws has been able to produce a solid offense regardless of who is out there.

I also think it's kind of comical to say Harbaugh was better with time and game management when one of the main reasons we couldn't get a lead in that SB was because he had 3 different people calling plays in the redzone and called a timeout on a play people claimed we would've had a walk in TD based on the call. Let's not forget how many times we had delay of game penalties.

The only thing Harbaugh had over Kyle was he appreciated the OL and had the team setup well(even though most of the OLmen were already on the roster when he took over) to run the clock out. Yet once again...in that SB he took out our best RB and ran it just once with the Ravens best run defender on the sidelines on 1st and 7 and then we went pass, pass, pass...

Harbaugh never had a losing seasons.

I agree the SB running play was dumb but shanahan basically did the same thing with Brock in overtime but worse imo.

Harbaugh picked the wrong player to put his faith in but at least gave him all the shots at it.

Shanahan should have let Brock roll out 4 times in OT and thrown at kittle or ran it in. Instead we got some b******t running play and half assed passing plays. Either hand it to CMC every time of you think he's the best player or imo what I would have done is above assuming Brock and kittle are the best players.

Again they are both similar and it wouldn't be the biggest franchise mistake if shanahan was fired. It's justified in both cases.

Shanahan has equally dumb delay of game penalties for the stupid pre play motions etc...

all fabricated ^^

Best part..Yeah throw it to Kittle, when Kittle only had one arm.. lol

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by genus49:
I'll bite. What "better results" did Harbaugh produce? Last I checked he couldn't even earn a lead in the SB, let alone win one.

The difference is Harbaugh was brought in for his offense and as soon as we lost key players on offense and everyone got a read on what we were doing it started going downhill fast. The best thing he did was bring in Fangio who kept the defense playing at a high level with a lot of injuries that last year.

The offense became worse than when Jim took over the team. Shanahan for all his flaws has been able to produce a solid offense regardless of who is out there.

I also think it's kind of comical to say Harbaugh was better with time and game management when one of the main reasons we couldn't get a lead in that SB was because he had 3 different people calling plays in the redzone and called a timeout on a play people claimed we would've had a walk in TD based on the call. Let's not forget how many times we had delay of game penalties.

The only thing Harbaugh had over Kyle was he appreciated the OL and had the team setup well(even though most of the OLmen were already on the roster when he took over) to run the clock out. Yet once again...in that SB he took out our best RB and ran it just once with the Ravens best run defender on the sidelines on 1st and 7 and then we went pass, pass, pass...

Harbaugh never had a losing seasons.

I agree the SB running play was dumb but shanahan basically did the same thing with Brock in overtime but worse imo.

Harbaugh picked the wrong player to put his faith in but at least gave him all the shots at it.

Shanahan should have let Brock roll out 4 times in OT and thrown at kittle or ran it in. Instead we got some b******t running play and half assed passing plays. Either hand it to CMC every time of you think he's the best player or imo what I would have done is above assuming Brock and kittle are the best players.

Again they are both similar and it wouldn't be the biggest franchise mistake if shanahan was fired. It's justified in both cases.

Shanahan has equally dumb delay of game penalties for the stupid pre play motions etc...

Buddy you are not being genuine with this take.

Harbaugh had almost his whole week 1 roster healthy and available for the game. The only changes were on offense where Kap was starting for Alex Smith and Randy Moss was starting for Mario Manningham.

We had arguably the best OL and DL in the game that year and needed a blackout to happen to even make the game close there at the end.

What Harbaugh did in that situation in no way compares to what Shanahan did in OT. That's absolutely insane to make that claim.

You have a first and 7 after Frank Gore has been gashing them in the run game that whole drive.
1st down - LaMichael James run
2nd down - incomplete pass
timeout wiping out a likely TD run by Kap
3rd down incomplete pass
4th down incomplete pass

And you want to compare that to Shanahan in OT?
First down and 10 at the 15 yard line
1st down - CMC 6 yard run
2nd down - CMC 0 yard run
3rd down - incomplete pass after Burford does his own thing and doesn't block KC's best player while we have 2 WRs open for the TD
4th down - FG to take the lead

How in the world are those comparable to you? Or even more so...how is Shanahan's calls WORSE? I can pretty much guarantee you that had Shanahan had all his starters from week 1 on defense out there or if we didn't have to play Burford because Feliciano got hurt early in the game that he 100% wins that game.

Half assed passing play 2 guys wide open for TDs...what a terrible design by Kyle. Should've called a fade to Crabtree, that's a real HC call.

Show me a delay of game penalty in the critical moment of the SB under Shanahan. It was a thing with Harbaugh ALL the time. It was by design too, they'd take it down to the last seconds all the time and it was absolutely infuriating.

You're going through some serious revisionist history.

Yall spend way too much time arguing over who lost the best.