49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

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Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by maximusdecimus:
No amount of excuses will change the FACT that kyle is a super choke artist. A grade A choker, until he's not.

Plenty of time for Kyle to win a couple of Superbowl's. Walsh was still an offensive coordinator at Kyle's age.

How did Walsh do once he got an opportunity to be a head coach?

He didn't win a Super Bowl every single year so that makes him a loser apparently

He won 3 and created a dynasty, team of the decade (80's).

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
It really cracks me up that people on this board don't understand how football works. The head coach is responsible no matter what. So you are telling me that Kyle coached all of those things and yet they still happened which would mean that his players don't listen to him (which would be a whole different issue).

What do you get when you read this: "Your either coaching it, or you're allowing it".

There is nothing wrong with "accountability", accountability is relevant today the same way it was back in 1981.

It's dumb as s**t. So Andy Reid was just a horrible coach for 20 years…just a fat sucky loser apparently. Crazy how his world changed when he was handed mahomes.

Mcvay just another spiked hair loser who couldn't score more than 3pts in a SB. Wild he got Stafford and he actually won? Who would have thought that?

Even Bill didn't win s**t without his GOAT. Losing record in fact. Sean Payton blows without Brees. Tomlin isn't wining s**t without his HOF QB etc etc

Point is players matter, any logical person understands that.

Those are all choices (made by coaches), part of the game. Andy actually took a QB (Mahomes) that Shanahan passed on, so what does that say about Shanahan? Bill Walsh didn't have to draft Montana, he chose to. McVay didn't ave to trade for Stafford, he chose to. Shanahan didn't have to draft Beathard, trade for Jimmy G, trade 3 picks for Trey Lance, or draft Purdy in the 7th with the last pick. These were all choices which is part of a Head Coaches job if he controls the roster.

One of the biggest head coaching decisions in nfl history came when a QB that was taken with the #1 overall pick got hurt and a young 6th round pick came in and made it tough on the coach to go back to his FQB. This was the case with Belichick choosing Brady over Bledsoe.

Coaching decisions matter, go look at all the great QB's who went on to other teams and stopped winning super bowls after leaving their super star head coach.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
It really cracks me up that people on this board don't understand how football works. The head coach is responsible no matter what. So you are telling me that Kyle coached all of those things and yet they still happened which would mean that his players don't listen to him (which would be a whole different issue).

What do you get when you read this: "Your either coaching it, or you're allowing it".

There is nothing wrong with "accountability", accountability is relevant today the same way it was back in 1981.

It's dumb as s**t. So Andy Reid was just a horrible coach for 20 years…just a fat sucky loser apparently. Crazy how his world changed when he was handed mahomes.

Mcvay just another spiked hair loser who couldn't score more than 3pts in a SB. Wild he got Stafford and he actually won? Who would have thought that?

Even Bill didn't win s**t without his GOAT. Losing record in fact. Sean Payton blows without Brees. Tomlin isn't wining s**t without his HOF QB etc etc

Point is players matter, any logical person understands that.

Those are all choices (made by coaches), part of the game. Andy actually took a QB (Mahomes) that Shanahan passed on, so what does that say about Shanahan? Bill Walsh didn't have to draft Montana, he chose to. McVay didn't ave to trade for Stafford, he chose to. Shanahan didn't have to draft Beathard, trade for Jimmy G, trade 3 picks for Trey Lance, or draft Purdy in the 7th with the last pick. These were all choices which is part of a Head Coaches job if he controls the roster.

One of the biggest head coaching decisions in nfl history came when a QB that was taken with the #1 overall pick got hurt and a young 6th round pick came in and made it tough on the coach to go back to his FQB. This was the case with Belichick choosing Brady over Bledsoe.

Coaching decisions matter, go look at all the great QB's who went on to other teams and stopped winning super bowls after leaving their super star head coach.

The trend, for Kyle, I think is up. First Superbowl, he was up by 28 and lost. Then the next, by 10 and lost, and then up by 3 and lost. At least the trend is more towards getting those losing margins shorter and shorter. At some point, he'll get past break even point.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
It really cracks me up that people on this board don't understand how football works. The head coach is responsible no matter what. So you are telling me that Kyle coached all of those things and yet they still happened which would mean that his players don't listen to him (which would be a whole different issue).

What do you get when you read this: "Your either coaching it, or you're allowing it".

There is nothing wrong with "accountability", accountability is relevant today the same way it was back in 1981.

It's dumb as s**t. So Andy Reid was just a horrible coach for 20 years…just a fat sucky loser apparently. Crazy how his world changed when he was handed mahomes.

Mcvay just another spiked hair loser who couldn't score more than 3pts in a SB. Wild he got Stafford and he actually won? Who would have thought that?

Even Bill didn't win s**t without his GOAT. Losing record in fact. Sean Payton blows without Brees. Tomlin isn't wining s**t without his HOF QB etc etc

Point is players matter, any logical person understands that.

Those are all choices (made by coaches), part of the game. Andy actually took a QB (Mahomes) that Shanahan passed on, so what does that say about Shanahan? Bill Walsh didn't have to draft Montana, he chose to. McVay didn't ave to trade for Stafford, he chose to. Shanahan didn't have to draft Beathard, trade for Jimmy G, trade 3 picks for Trey Lance, or draft Purdy in the 7th with the last pick. These were all choices which is part of a Head Coaches job if he controls the roster.

One of the biggest head coaching decisions in nfl history came when a QB that was taken with the #1 overall pick got hurt and a young 6th round pick came in and made it tough on the coach to go back to his FQB. This was the case with Belichick choosing Brady over Bledsoe.

Coaching decisions matter, go look at all the great QB's who went on to other teams and stopped winning super bowls after leaving their super star head coach.

It's pointless. The great Kyle defenders don't process facts at face value. They twist them and manipulate them to fit their narrative.
1. players matter
2. coaching decisions on and off the field matter
3. Roster decisions matter
4. team culture matters
It all matters.
Who is responsible for taking all that matters and turning it into a successful team? Where does the buck stop? The HC. Who gets credit when they win? The HC. Who gets the blame for losing? The HC. If you are entrusted with the entire offense and you call all the plays and those plays are poor choices who deserves the criticism? The coach. 3 superbowls , same coach, same result. He indeed deserves the criticism and doubt that he can overcome.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
I'm sure all those loses were only because of Walsh…no way it had anything to do with the players. f**king cowboys and Giants

They arguably underachieved, especially by these fans' standards.

Yup and now you will get ridiculed for saying anything negative about those teams from 30 yrs ago lol

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Still going back and forth after months lol.

He is the head coach. He gets the credit and/or the blame even if he doesn't really deserve it. That comes with the job.

So where's Quinn's blame on the SB? Did McVay get the blame for putting 3 pts up in a SB? Or was that on Goff who got the boot a couple years later?

Tomlin hasn't done s**t in 15yrs and just got an extension…doesn't sound like blame to me. You think if KC lost this SB they're blaming Reid like this fan base blames Kyle?

Of course they get blame. But we're not on those fan sites or forums.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
Those are all choices (made by coaches), part of the game. Andy actually took a QB (Mahomes) that Shanahan passed on, so what does that say about Shanahan? Bill Walsh didn't have to draft Montana, he chose to. McVay didn't ave to trade for Stafford, he chose to. Shanahan didn't have to draft Beathard, trade for Jimmy G, trade 3 picks for Trey Lance, or draft Purdy in the 7th with the last pick. These were all choices which is part of a Head Coaches job if he controls the roster.

One of the biggest head coaching decisions in nfl history came when a QB that was taken with the #1 overall pick got hurt and a young 6th round pick came in and made it tough on the coach to go back to his FQB. This was the case with Belichick choosing Brady over Bledsoe.

Coaching decisions matter, go look at all the great QB's who went on to other teams and stopped winning super bowls after leaving their super star head coach.

Oh yeah it was all choices? Andy didn't want mahomes he wanted Paxton Lynch the yr prior, but the broncos moved ahead of them. The then assistant GM was the one pounding the table for PM….Andy had to be talked into it. He DID however want to draft Kevin Hogan and Aaron Murray. He traded for Alex Smith, which is no different than trading for Jimmy G imo.

yes it was Bill's choice to move on from Brady AND how did that work out? Losing record and getting fired. He also drafted Mac Jones, who's the backup in Jax.

Was it Tomlin's choice to have Big Ben? Nope. Was it his choice to draft Kenny Pickett? Yup and how did that work out? Yet folks in here think he's one of the best HCs ever…based off what? Winning a SB with another coach's team 15 yrs ago?

Did Mcvay not pay Jared Goff a f**k ton of money all the same? Mcvay got Stafford in part because the lions just signed a FO guy from the Rams. There was a relationship with Snead and Holmes. Also Matt wanted to be in LA (his wife said this much).

go look at the great HC's that lost their HOF QBs and never won another one. It works both ways man.

I never said coaching decisions don't matter. Not a single person is debating that. We are debating how ya'll can't acknowledge that there's actual players who play a significant role in winning & losing. The amount of whining over what most objective people call the best roster in football is f**king pathetic. Play calls can't be 100% on point. Players have to show up and not only execute those plays, they need to show up in big moments and make a play.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
Still going back and forth after months lol.

He is the head coach. He gets the credit and/or the blame even if he doesn't really deserve it. That comes with the job.

So where's Quinn's blame on the SB? Did McVay get the blame for putting 3 pts up in a SB? Or was that on Goff who got the boot a couple years later?

Tomlin hasn't done s**t in 15yrs and just got an extension…doesn't sound like blame to me. You think if KC lost this SB they're blaming Reid like this fan base blames Kyle?

Of course they get blame. But we're not on those fan sites or forums.

I haven't heard one person from those fan bases blame Quinn or McVay. s**t there aren't even Ram fans that care enough to debate it.

why would this fan base blame Kyle who wasn't even part of this organization or HC for that ATL team? In one breath it's "he's the HC and leader" so it all falls on his shoulders…then it's he lost 3 SBs totally contradicting whatever point you're trying to make. Bunch of dumb petty pu$$y s**t imo.

complaining about having one of if not the best roster in football and actually have a chance to win every yr. The only other team that can realistically say that is KC and that's because of one player.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:
It's pointless. The great Kyle defenders don't process facts at face value. They twist them and manipulate them to fit their narrative.
1. players matter
2. coaching decisions on and off the field matter
3. Roster decisions matter
4. team culture matters
It all matters.
Who is responsible for taking all that matters and turning it into a successful team? Where does the buck stop? The HC. Who gets credit when they win? The HC. Who gets the blame for losing? The HC. If you are entrusted with the entire offense and you call all the plays and those plays are poor choices who deserves the criticism? The coach. 3 superbowls , same coach, same result. He indeed deserves the criticism and doubt that he can overcome.

You're complaining about having one of the best rosters in football and being one of maybe 5 teams that has a real chance every yr to win it…If you think this roster can't win a Super Bowl. Then just say it. Damn near everyone will disagree.

You rebuttal about it all falling on the HC shoulders is b******t the moment you tie in the ATL SB. He. Wasn't. The. Head. Coach. How hard is that for you to get? According to you it SHOULD fall on the HEAD COACH. Yet you can't even say it was Quinn like your whole debate is suggesting.

why?

because you're too invested in s**tting on a damn good HC because you're lazy and hate context. You're so far down the hole that you can't turn back…not a single person debating you has said he can't be criticized. Folks are saying that there's a f**k ton of context that goes beyond what a HC can do.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Walsh goes into road playoff game as a 3 point favorite with GOAT level QB and they get beat by two touchdowns and score a whopping three points. No worries, SB or bust! We'll get em next year.

Next year Walsh goes into road playoff game as 3 point underdog against same team, his GOAT level QB gets injured and they lose in a nail-biting heartbreaker by a mere 46 points. They got 3 again though at least.

He also has Super Bowl rings. It's really sad how our fan base is happy with and celebrate 2nd place this day and age. It's somewhat insulting as far as as what makes this team so prestige.. Maybe I'm just getting senile and need to accept that 2nd place is what we should strive for these days. You don't become an all time great by not winning Super Bowls. Now our fans all but celebrate it.

They equate Kyle's SB losses to Walsh's off years in between Super Bowls. Basically Kyle is great because like Bill Walsh, Kyle too underperformed in some big moments (let's just ignore the 3 SB wins though).

It's comedy at its finest. Tear down the franchise and its history just to prop up boy genius. Then use spin tactics (different era, no salary cap, EddieD was a criminal, players fault, other coaches fault, Mahomes is a demi god)….whatever it takes to extend Kyle's leash.

Pathetic

Originally posted by DrEll:
They equate Kyle's SB losses to Walsh's off years in between Super Bowls. Basically Kyle is great because like Bill Walsh, Kyle too underperformed in some big moments (let's just ignore the 3 SB wins though).

It's comedy at its finest. Tear down the franchise and its history just to prop up boy genius. Then use spin tactics (different era, no salary cap, EddieD was a criminal, players fault, other coaches fault, Mahomes is a demi god)….whatever it takes to extend Kyle's leash.

Pathetic

lol taking folks comments and twisting for a narrative…totally on brand.

If you're incapable of having a normal convo about this then just say it.

Pretending it wasn't a different era of football to s**t on a current HC is pathetic. You can't even keep s**t real. Ya you're right players have zero impact on the outcome of the game. Ya you're right this HC/FO hasn't put together one of the best rosters in football lol.

Folks are using kyle hater's own words and applying it to one of the best ever…then those people get all bent out of shape because they realize how dumb their beef is with Kyle love how nostalgic people are about s**t from 30 yrs ago. It was only the good that was remember, not any of the bad or underperforming with a ridiculous good team in an era where FAs and team turnover wasn't a thing. It's much harder to continuously win now imo.

Originally posted by glorydayz:
He won 3 and created a dynasty, team of the decade (80's).

I know what he did. He's what made me, a kid from NY become a fan of a west coast team.

I'm not trying to say Kyle is Walsh. I'm saying folks have unreal expectations for a franchise that was great 30+ years ago. Even Bill who's one of the best ever had playoff games that he should have won and didn't. Was that his fault or is there a f**k ton of nuance that goes into every single game?

Originally posted by Giedi:
The trend, for Kyle, I think is up. First Superbowl, he was up by 28 and lost. Then the next, by 10 and lost, and then up by 3 and lost. At least the trend is more towards getting those losing margins shorter and shorter. At some point, he'll get past break even point.

Once he gets those 4th Q figured out, we'll be winning super bowls like it's the 80s

Originally posted by Koldo:
Fools trying to compare Kyle Chokehan to the great Bill Walsh when he can't even hold George Seifert's jockstrap.

the only fool is you thinking Seifert was better. look at Siefert's Panther record to see how good of a HC he was without the talent he inherited from Walsh. and his s**tty leadership likely cost the Niners more titles by running Joe out of town. thanks for confirming you know f**k all.