49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You have successfully established that Mahomes is the most valuable player in today's game. Congratulations. If one would have told me, that we held his butt to 1 TD in 60 mins, off a punt fumble clown drive, I would have assumed we won. Then I would have realized our coach is KS, and asked, ok, can he possibly find the L in this one?, lo and behold,

Too tough of a question I guess. If we're going to talk about how talented teams are, it's probably important to talk about the value of the talent right? Probably worth including a comparison of whether it's more important to have the best two linebackers, or two lockdown cornerbacks. The best running back… or the best QB.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
On the what would Eddie have done convo, from Senor Cohn:

"Eddie would have already fired Kyle. He fired Seifert, a two-time Super Bowl Champion, and he would accept this? This guy who twice got them in the Super Bowl and gave up leads both times and didn't know the rules? He would have fired Shanahan. And what's more, I would have supported it. I'm not sure I supported firing Seifert, but this I would have supported. Thank you so much for your service, you got us to the highest level, now we need someone who will bring us into the Promised Land. You can't come."

Pretty sure some of us pointed that out after the SB and got lip from the fan club. Let me think back to some of the comments. Something along the lines of "it's a different league/era now", "EddieD would be pulling off Belichick type cheating in today's game to win". Some even attacked EddieD for being a flawed owner just to protect Kyle.

OF COURSE Eddie would have fired Kyle. And not this year. Most likely after the Rams game knowing he had 2 possession leads in 2 games late and still found a way to lose…

Originally posted by DrEll:
Shanahan said in his post game press conference that one of the reasons he opted to receive the ball first in OT was so the team would have the ball 3rd possession.

He guessed that regardless of scoring a FG or TD the Chiefs would match it and then we would get it back for the decider. Andy Reid was one step ahead of him bc as pointed out by a number of Chiefs players they were going for the kill shot on that second possession. Had the 49ers scored a TD, Mahomes would have went for the 2 point game winner if they scored on that second drive. There was no intent to give the 49ers a 3rd possession.

Kyle guessed wrong. Reid was one step ahead of him.

I know exactly what he said. Again, you are replacing the idea that it's worthwhile to have the ball first in case of a 3rd possession, with the idea that we were playing for one. Which is clearly not the case. You factor all potential outcomes when you make a decision. That's why the analytical case is split on the decision under the new OT rules. Nowhere in his explanation is an assumption that both the Chiefs and 49ers would score TDs on the first two possessions. The possibility is factored in. That's it. Very basic.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You have successfully established that Mahomes is the most valuable player in today's game. Congratulations. If one would have told me, that we held his butt to 1 TD in 60 mins, off a punt fumble clown drive, I would have assumed we won. Then I would have realized our coach is KS, and asked, ok, can he possibly find the L in this one?, lo and behold,

Too tough of a question I guess. If we're going to talk about how talented teams are, it's probably important to talk about the value of the talent right? Probably worth including a comparison of whether it's more important to have the best two linebackers, or two lockdown cornerbacks. The best running back… or the best QB.

All different ways to provide shade to a coach that hase the inability to close out games. So in your words, can't blame Kyle when Mahomes all world is playing on the opposite side and negates any game plan you can scheme against him. Can't blame Kyle for last year…of course not, when Purdy is out and there's no contingency to replace him. And can't blame Kyle the year before, because…well…although Stafford is no where near the caliber of Patrick Mahomes, the fact that Jimmy was our starter negates any advantage we would have against any quarterback not name Patrick Mahomes. Therefore, the 4 heartbreaking playoff losses can be attributed to. Mahomes is too good, Jimmy sucks, Purdy injured, and Mahomes is too good.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Shanahan said in his post game press conference that one of the reasons he opted to receive the ball first in OT was so the team would have the ball 3rd possession.

He guessed that regardless of scoring a FG or TD the Chiefs would match it and then we would get it back for the decider. Andy Reid was one step ahead of him bc as pointed out by a number of Chiefs players they were going for the kill shot on that second possession. Had the 49ers scored a TD, Mahomes would have went for the 2 point game winner if they scored on that second drive. There was no intent to give the 49ers a 3rd possession.

Kyle guessed wrong. Reid was one step ahead of him.

I know exactly what he said. Again, you are replacing the idea that it's worthwhile to have the ball first in case of a 3rd possession, with the idea that we were playing for one. Which is clearly not the case. You factor all potential outcomes when you make a decision. That's why the analytical case is split on the decision under the new OT rules. Nowhere in his explanation is an assumption that both the Chiefs and 49ers would score TDs on the first two possessions. The possibility is factored in. That's it. Very basic.

Ummm, Shanahan says in his press conference he chose to receive so he could have the ball for the 3rd possession. Those are his words. Why are you trying to spin something he said ?

"It's just something we talked about," Shanahan said in his postgame news conference. "None of us have a ton of experience with it. But we went through all the analytics and talked to those guys. We just thought it would be better. We wanted the ball third. If both teams matched and scored, we wanted to be the ones who had the chance to go win. So got that field goal, so knew we had to hold them to at least a field goal and if we did, we thought it was in our hands after that."

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You have successfully established that Mahomes is the most valuable player in today's game. Congratulations. If one would have told me, that we held his butt to 1 TD in 60 mins, off a punt fumble clown drive, I would have assumed we won. Then I would have realized our coach is KS, and asked, ok, can he possibly find the L in this one?, lo and behold,

Too tough of a question I guess. If we're going to talk about how talented teams are, it's probably important to talk about the value of the talent right? Probably worth including a comparison of whether it's more important to have the best two linebackers, or two lockdown cornerbacks. The best running back… or the best QB.

All different ways to provide shade to a coach that hase the inability to close out games. So in your words, can't blame Kyle when Mahomes all world is playing on the opposite side and negates any game plan you can scheme against him. Can't blame Kyle for last year…of course not, when Purdy is out and there's no contingency to replace him. And can't blame Kyle the year before, because…well…although Stafford is no where near the caliber of Patrick Mahomes, the fact that Jimmy was our starter negates any advantage we would have against any quarterback not name Patrick Mahomes. Therefore, the 4 heartbreaking playoff losses can be attributed to. Mahomes is too good, Jimmy sucks, Purdy injured, and Mahomes is too good.

I mean... Yes. These were close games where the talent at QB on the other side (or a lack of QB on ours in Purdy vs. Eagles case) played its part in tipping the scales. The Super Bowl went to OT. It wasn't some huge underperformance. It was a razor thin margin that came down to a few key plays, of which Mahomes was a crucial part.

There's recognizing that improvements can still be made, and then there's dumping the blame on one person over a game of inches. Only one of these is actually helpful, and no one here has any actual influence over it.

Originally posted by DrEll:
All different ways to provide shade to a coach that hase the inability to close out games. So in your words, can't blame Kyle when Mahomes all world is playing on the opposite side and negates any game plan you can scheme against him. Can't blame Kyle for last year…of course not, when Purdy is out and there's no contingency to replace him. And can't blame Kyle the year before, because…well…although Stafford is no where near the caliber of Patrick Mahomes, the fact that Jimmy was our starter negates any advantage we would have against any quarterback not name Patrick Mahomes. Therefore, the 4 heartbreaking playoff losses can be attributed to. Mahomes is too good, Jimmy sucks, Purdy injured, and Mahomes is too good.

I was critical of coaching decisions Kyle had against the Rams. His decision to punt in Rams territory in the early-mid 4th quarter on 4th and 2 was an atrocious decision. I would think the fact he had a QB he didn't trust with two injuries to his throwing arm played a factor. And sure enough he was much more aggressive on 4ths with Purdy this season than he has at any time of his 49ers tenure.

My comparison talked about more than the QBs. Again, the Chiefs have key talent at the more important positions IMO. QB/OL/Secondary. Of the top 4 areas of positional importance we only have an actual edge at pass rush in my opinion.

It's absurd that you think Kyle should have had a quality QB available as an effective 4th stringer for when Purdy went down last season. FWIW I was highly critical of Kyle's management of the position going into that season just around the idea that he would jeopardize a contending team to develop a raw QB in Lance.

I'm critical of Kyle where the criticism actually has merit. Clock management, dropback scheme, some level of inflexibility.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
It's the same posters too. You can't go into any thread without these 🥔 🧠 posting the same crap . These guys make Seahawk fans look very smart

Oh I'm sorry, is this a Kyle happy thoughts only zone? Or can we be critical if we see some bs that costs us the SB?

No by all means, repeat the same s**t every day for at least another 5 months.. I'm sure some new user signing up didn't see this post yet.

I do laugh at the we didn't know OT rules, like what would've changed really? The goal is always to score TDs anyways, it's not like we thought a FG wins the game. You make sound like a different sport gets played in OT. If Burford blocks someone we score a TD and it's not even an issue. We didn't lose because some players didn't know the new OT rules. We lost because of poor blocking at times, missed XP, Greenlaw injury, stupid penalties by players that usually don't commit them, 6 out of 7 fumbles going their way, a muffed punt that gave them 7 points...All those reasons >>>>> OT rules.

But you do you, make sure you keep posting this another 500 times.

Exactly!!! It didn't matter either way. f**k the OT rules, there's a million post on tik tok, youtube, instagram and all that other social media b******t on why there was no holding calls at all on the Chiefs. That s**t mattered more than OT.

Yea ok. Let's weigh the 2 options.

A. We lost because the refs didn't call holding penalties on KC.

B. We lost because Kyle decided that it would be ok to give the ball to Mahomes for the last drive(s) in regulation and in OT.

Its not really hard TBPH….

Yah too bad you're just here to bait people and troll. Otherwise you would get it.

Your definition of troll is anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion. It's ironic how many of you use the word loosely for a certain group of ppl that hold a certain opinion. I could certainly argue that your ilk are the real trolls. It's one thing to argue, reject, and even go as far as insult those that criticize Shanahan in a forum. But you guys negate, reject, and insult anyone in the MEDIA that questions Kyle. You boys cover an entire spectrum of homerism. Faith is right. You want this to be a "let's celebrate the accomplishments of Kyle" thread by pretending that his f**k ups don't exist.

Child please 😂

By all means criticize, he's not free of some blame.

But when a few of you say fire Kyle, Kyle sucks, we're a laughing stock of the NFL, we rather be bad than a be a contender, then ya it's either trolling or you have room temperature IQ. Thank jebus there's only a handful of you though that think that way and are annoying ass spammers.

It's commen sense bro.

Originally posted by captveg:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You have successfully established that Mahomes is the most valuable player in today's game. Congratulations. If one would have told me, that we held his butt to 1 TD in 60 mins, off a punt fumble clown drive, I would have assumed we won. Then I would have realized our coach is KS, and asked, ok, can he possibly find the L in this one?, lo and behold,

Too tough of a question I guess. If we're going to talk about how talented teams are, it's probably important to talk about the value of the talent right? Probably worth including a comparison of whether it's more important to have the best two linebackers, or two lockdown cornerbacks. The best running back… or the best QB.

All different ways to provide shade to a coach that hase the inability to close out games. So in your words, can't blame Kyle when Mahomes all world is playing on the opposite side and negates any game plan you can scheme against him. Can't blame Kyle for last year…of course not, when Purdy is out and there's no contingency to replace him. And can't blame Kyle the year before, because…well…although Stafford is no where near the caliber of Patrick Mahomes, the fact that Jimmy was our starter negates any advantage we would have against any quarterback not name Patrick Mahomes. Therefore, the 4 heartbreaking playoff losses can be attributed to. Mahomes is too good, Jimmy sucks, Purdy injured, and Mahomes is too good.

I mean... Yes. These were close games where the talent at QB on the other side (or a lack of QB on ours in Purdy vs. Eagles case) played its part in tipping the scales. The Super Bowl went to OT. It wasn't some huge underperformance. It was a razor thin margin that came down to a few key plays, of which Mahomes was a crucial part.

There's recognizing that improvements can still be made, and then there's dumping the blame on one person over a game of inches. Only one of these is actually helpful, and no one here has any actual influence over it.

How many more improvements? 4 losses in 5 years. 3 of those losses where we should have been on top. Is this what we go with next year if we don't win ? Just keep making improvements while ignoring the biggest obstacle in the clubhouse ?

Originally posted by DrEll:
Ummm, Shanahan says in his press conference he chose to receive so he could have the ball for the 3rd possession. Those are his words. Why are you trying to spin something he said ?

"It's just something we talked about," Shanahan said in his postgame news conference. "None of us have a ton of experience with it. But we went through all the analytics and talked to those guys. We just thought it would be better. We wanted the ball third. If both teams matched and scored, we wanted to be the ones who had the chance to go win. So got that field goal, so knew we had to hold them to at least a field goal and if we did, we thought it was in our hands after that."

If, being the operative word there bud. The possibility is considered and planned for. But the goal is to score and get a stop. Not accept that both teams are scoring TDs and get the ball third. CommOn sense, unless you're just looking to cry.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Ummm, Shanahan says in his press conference he chose to receive so he could have the ball for the 3rd possession. Those are his words. Why are you trying to spin something he said ?

"It's just something we talked about," Shanahan said in his postgame news conference. "None of us have a ton of experience with it. But we went through all the analytics and talked to those guys. We just thought it would be better. We wanted the ball third. If both teams matched and scored, we wanted to be the ones who had the chance to go win. So got that field goal, so knew we had to hold them to at least a field goal and if we did, we thought it was in our hands after that."

If, being the operative word there bud. The possibility is considered and planned for. But the goal is to score and get a stop. Not accept that both teams are scoring TDs and get the ball third. CommOn sense, unless you're just looking to cry.

And as pointed out repeatedly, Andy Reid had no plans to match. He was going for the kill shot. Why do you the Chiefs players celebrated when Kyle chose to receive ? What did they know that Kyle didn't ?

Originally posted by DrEll:
And as pointed out repeatedly, Andy Reid had no plans to match. He was going for the kill shot. Why do you the Chiefs players celebrated when Kyle chose to receive ? What did they know that Kyle didn't ?

They wanted the ball second. Thought it gave them an advantage. This isn't hard, lol.

Why not also acknowledge that it made some sense to receive given our defense was just on the field for the final possession? Is that not common sense? Is it simply avoided because Kyle didn't directly mention it until a later interview session? We're just going to stick with one soundbite but ignore others.

Our defense had done a good job throughout the game. It's not unreasonable to think we can get our defense a rest, get a score, and then keep the team out of the endzone as we had all game. The analytical community models it as a 50/50 decision with the same basis that Kyle explained. Again, I'll say I would have deferred myself but it's not some clear cut decision with a right and wrong answer, and we failed to execute by not scoring a TD in the first place.

this dude was a legend who played for Mike Shanny and won rings, sums up my thoughts to an extent:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this dude was a legend who played for Mike Shanny and won rings, sums up my thoughts to an extent:

.@MarkSchlereth blames analytics for Kyle Shanahan's blunders in the Super Bowl

Listen: https://t.co/onX1eLX9JO pic.twitter.com/kqNgHqzVtE

— Audacy Sports (@AudacySports) February 16, 2024

Again, common sense. You never give Michael Jordan the last shot. You just don't. Of course the analytics will tell you that he has a higher chance of missing it than making it, but you never give him the last shot because it's Michael Jordan. What compounds it is that same Michael Jordan scored 21 points in 7 minutes on you just 4 years earlier.

the magnitude of this coaching blunder by Kyle Shanahan cannot even be quantified. He f**ked it up, big time

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
No by all means, repeat the same s**t every day for at least another 5 months.. I'm sure some new user signing up didn't see this post yet.

I do laugh at the we didn't know OT rules, like what would've changed really? The goal is always to score TDs anyways, it's not like we thought a FG wins the game. You make sound like a different sport gets played in OT. If Burford blocks someone we score a TD and it's not even an issue. We didn't lose because some players didn't know the new OT rules. We lost because of poor blocking at times, missed XP, Greenlaw injury, stupid penalties by players that usually don't commit them, 6 out of 7 fumbles going their way, a muffed punt that gave them 7 points...All those reasons >>>>> OT rules.

But you do you, make sure you keep posting this another 500 times.

Let's just not bs ourselves with Kyle was prepared nonsense,
If he's prepared and spends 2 mins going over OT with our guys, he probably comes to the logical conclusion you don't want Mahomes to get the ball with a chance to walk you off. Dude was legit in an OT SB before, and not prepared for OT. How does that happen? And we're supposed to not ask question and spam 'I love my coach' style posts? You can, I'll be over here, in reality..

Umm he did that anyway, it didn't matter if the 9ers took the ball first or last, Mahomes was gonna do that anyway. WTF don't you get.

The logic of it is if Mahomes goes first, and gets the corndog TD, it doesn't 'walk us off'. The game is still going. We get a 4th down play after Chris Jones coming thru unblocked.

They had 1 TD in regulation. 1!!!!! Lol

In 60 minutes!!!! It also came from us muffing a punt...

Sending the defense back out there again to start the OT would've been a mistake as well. You could b***h about Kyle not preparing players for OT rules all you want, but it wouldn't mattered AT ALL. We had a wide open TD if Burford doesn't f**k up.

If let's say everybody was on board with the rules, you don't think we kick a FG on 4th anyways? If you don't convert there, then it's much higher chance of the game being over since KC can get at least a damn FG attempt to win.

I've said this before (sorry I that don't post the same takes 10 times a day for a month straight), taking the ball or deferring it's a 50/50 choice there. There was no clear cut choice there because of the defense being worn out.

Based on how the game was going, I would've leaned slightly towards trusting my defense as well that only gave up 1 TD all game. Especially since the offense wasn't doing that great anyways, I would've let my defense win the game there.

Point is, there's no easy choice in that scenario, while some of you are making it seem like it was obvious, and ignoring all the analytics and what others through the media have said.